00:00:00,080 S1: All right. Today is Wednesday, June 17th. This is the opening of the Affordable Housing Trust. 6 p.m. meeting the town hall. Let's do a roll call. Vote, please. Judy, you want to start us off? 00:00:15,400 S1: Oh. She can't. We can't hear you. Yeah. You're Muted and you can't get it off. Okay. Can you wait. Let's see if Margaret can get you. 00:00:28,199 S1: Asked to unmute. 00:00:31,559 S2: Oh wow. 00:00:33,679 S3: Did that help? Yes. It had. Hi, Judy. Okay, now I can't. Now I can't see you, but I can hear you. 00:00:41,000 S1: All right. We can see you and hear you. So if you give us a roll call vote, that'd be great to start us off. 00:00:46,679 S3: Okay. Judy Baranski here. 00:00:49,200 S1: Okay. Erica. Shantha. Huntley. Skinner. 00:00:52,640 S3: Nikki. Roebuck. 00:00:53,479 S1: Corey. Sprague. Thank you. Everyone. All right. 00:00:56,679 S3: Can I just chime in for a Second. I have to leave about five of seven. That's why I'm zooming so I can stay longer here. 00:01:05,219 S1: Thank you. We have some time constraints here too, so we're going to start with our action plan discussion. We can do our vote while we have everyone here. 00:01:14,500 S3: That's okay. 00:01:16,219 S1: I read it pretty pretty. 00:01:18,620 S4: Straightforward to me. 00:01:20,420 S1: Okay. Any questions or comments you wanted to make about that? I thought it seemed fine. 00:01:26,819 S3: I think look good too. I was in on the first one and this one looks fine. 00:01:30,500 S4: So I like the, uh, the engagement plans, because this is going to happen. This is important. 00:01:40,099 S1: Yeah, this is important. So we want as much engagement as possible. Yeah. All right, so given that we need to have a motion doing that, I'm sorry, I won't pay attention. Okay. I need the motion to approve the housing action plan with a with a five seconds. Wait wait wait. Hold the phone. Vote to enter into a contract with maps to create your housing action plan. I would like to make a motion to enter into a contract with maps to create our affordable housing action plan. A housing action. 00:02:20,599 S4: Peter. Place seconds. 00:02:22,360 S1: Okay, that's how they go. Vote works. Sprague. Yes. Nikki. Roebuck. Yes. Skinner. Yes. Yes. 00:02:30,159 S4: Yes. 00:02:31,280 S3: Judith. Yes. 00:02:33,360 S1: Thank you. And that has passed. All right. Thank you everyone. Should we vote on minutes to just get our voting done? Yeah, let's do that. Let's go right to our minutes from 520 and six two. Um, I did find one, um, error on the the one for. Did you see it? May 20th. Um, the amount for habitat for humanity should have been 17,500. Okay. The minutes added 17,000. 00:03:07,610 S1: So do we need to make a motion, as amended? Yeah. 00:03:13,569 S4: She rarely ever makes. She's very rare. 00:03:16,449 S1: Let's not sell her out. 00:03:21,370 S1: Okay. Nikki, I don't know. Did you have any others? You should just change it in both places. Yeah, yeah. Sound change. One, two places. 00:03:33,210 S4: It does. 00:03:34,409 S1: Yeah. Hello, John. John. Glad you're here. The motion is correct. The number is correct in the motion. 00:03:44,969 S1: John, um, so I'd like to make a motion to amend the five, 20, 26 minutes, um, from the 17,000 to 7500. And paragraph 00:03:59,710 S1: three or discussion point two. And also in the final paragraph of the second, John, we're voting on an amendment to the amount that habitat put in our minutes on six two by 2520. So, um, the amendment says essentially that minute, say 17,007 2500 was taken. So given that we have that amendment motion and a second, can we vote for that, please? 00:04:35,310 S4: John. Yes. 00:04:36,910 S1: Yes yes yes. Nikki. Yes. 00:04:39,870 S3: Yes yes I'm sorry Corey, I can't see you all. So it's hard for me to keep track of. 00:04:46,269 S1: We're good. Thank you. Judy. John, join the meeting. Uh, John, would you just let us know that you. 00:04:51,589 S4: Know, John. I'm here. 00:04:53,329 S1: Thank you. John. Yeah. John. Astrology hits present. Okay. Do we have to make a second motion to approval? What was that part of that motion? No. And they said I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes from May 20th, 22 and June 2nd, 2026. Second, as amended. As a as a, as amended. As amended. Okay. So you're good with the June ones. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. As written. As written. John. Yes. 00:05:20,529 S4: Yes. Peter. Yes. 00:05:22,089 S1: Eric. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:05:25,370 S3: Okay. Yes. 00:05:26,730 S1: Thank you. All right. Minutes have been approved, as amended, and as is the 20th and the second. We have passed our vote for the main PC action plan. Yay! Um, let's go back and take a look at our financials, which is, uh, for our financial update. Yeah, I know I didn't print anything out? Yeah. I mean, I was being. Oh, you're being saved. Yes. Okay. Thank you. So let me get the trial balance and. 00:06:03,589 S1: I'm good. 00:06:07,189 S1: All right, Judy, let me, um, turn down. Yeah, I know we're shrinking you some. Oh. Hold on. I'm just. I know she asked me. 00:06:23,550 S1: There it is. I like your glasses, Judy. 00:06:27,829 S3: Thank you. Thank you. 00:06:30,550 S1: Here we go. Can you see that, Judy? 00:06:33,149 S3: Uh, yes, I can now. Yep. 00:06:35,550 S1: All right, let's see a look. So it goes all the way back. But this just since last month. This is what has changed over, um. 00:06:47,970 S1: They did deposit them $50,000. Okay. 00:06:55,889 S1: Looks fine to me. Any questions or comments? Discussion. 00:07:01,569 S3: Um, where was the the next the last JNJ plaster drywall, Inc.. Where was that work done? 00:07:09,850 S1: That. Was that the answer to that? 00:07:13,089 S3: Okay. I thought we'd stop work there. Okay. 00:07:16,250 S1: Oh, it's it's all going. It's poking along. 00:07:19,889 S3: Okay. 00:07:21,529 S1: We hope to have it finished by June 30th. Just next week, which is next week. 00:07:26,610 S3: Yeah, that's next week. Yeah. 00:07:28,889 S1: We'll see. Well, the contract states that they have to finish it by then. Um, they have not requested an extension yet. They've been out there pushing. They were they put it on hold a little bit. Yeah, because of the sprinklers. But they're moving forward with that now. 00:07:42,290 S3: Yeah. That was the hold I was talking about was the sprinkler hold. 00:07:46,310 S1: Yeah. Moving forward on that. The, um, the Salem five account. No withdrawals. Except for the, uh, the 10,000. Just that little one. Just that. 00:08:02,389 S1: Oh, and just. 00:08:04,269 S4: FYI. 00:08:04,990 S1: I made a deposit just yesterday from the Friend Court LLC. Um, for those that was for. Oh, um, 11 friend court has the solar panels. Yeah. So every quarter or so, they actually get a check as reimbursement from the, um, the company. So I deposited that yesterday $100. Yep. Couple hundred. So back in the account that will show up next statement, which is still on paper. It's still on paper just because I hadn't gotten to it. 00:08:40,750 S1: If you want to take care of it. Okay. They're not open. I know And that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. I'll put it on my list of to do things. I wasn't. 00:08:49,120 S3: Not that it's a big amount. But what was the $2 service charge on 530? 00:08:54,559 S1: That's because we have a paper copy of the, um, statement. 00:09:00,279 S3: So they charge you $2 for that? I see now, I see it at the bottom. Okay. 00:09:04,440 S1: Okay. To go to the. I need to go to the bank and work out how to not have a paper copy so we can just have, like have not attended to that yet, but it's on my to do list. All right. So now we are down to the discussion on the form for habitat for humanity funding. Yeah. So we realized that, um, you can't technically just give away, um, money without some kind of a document to go with it. Um, so we came up with a grant. So. So I'm assuming you'll want to do it as a grant. Not as it's not going to be mortgaged or alone that they would have to pay for this alone. No, we don't want that. Um, so we came up with a it's just a standard grant form for the 175, and it lists what they will be doing. They'll revise the revising the conceptual plan. Then they're going to develop the plan to show what the project will actually look like. Um, just. 00:10:08,779 S4: The property over by Gordon. 00:10:10,500 S1: No, no. This is the. Yes, nine Maple, nine Maple Street at the Streator 97 market. 00:10:19,019 S3: Yes. 00:10:19,299 S1: Intersection there. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, and these are the things that they'll do with this money. And so we kind of laid it out. This form has not been approved by town council yet, so there may be some changes to the, you know, the language of the form, but the idea of what will we get the amount we'll give them and what they'll be doing for that amount won't change. So what I would recommend is that the trust, uh, authorize currently I would say to, um, sign off on this grant once we get the, um, final version from town council, as long as the amounts and the work to be done stay the same. So that agreeable? Uh, yeah. I think it will be good for you guys to vote for it. And then we can take that vote to, um, to the select. Okay. 00:11:15,360 S5: I make the motion that we give any signing ability for the grant to the, uh, habitat for humanity funding. Funding. I said that motion. 00:11:27,440 S4: Yeah. Yes yes. 00:11:29,759 S5: Yes. 00:11:30,080 S4: Yes okay. Yes yes yes, I know that I can do it. 00:11:35,279 S1: Yes yes. 00:11:37,480 S3: Yes. 00:11:39,779 S4: And so if there's. 00:11:40,580 S1: An amendment to the language, we have to do a revote or are we okay? No, there would be no amendment other than to there would be. Yeah. It would just be like indemnification any of the legal lines would change, but the amount and the work to be done for the money would not be changed. Okay. Okay. 00:12:01,539 S4: All right. 00:12:02,379 S1: Um, two a. 00:12:03,059 S4: Dexter Lane. 00:12:04,059 S1: Update. So, um, they're working on it, but. 00:12:11,899 S4: We've been. 00:12:12,419 S1: There. We hate it. We? Judy, um, chose the flooring there. Yep. The walls have been done. The sprinklers been fixed on our pictures. Any chance? I didn't, but we'll go again. I'd like to. 00:12:28,940 S4: Go. I mean, the carpets are up. 00:12:31,460 S1: There's still. There's a with so much left to do. I didn't really think we were in a place to take pictures at that point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:12:38,000 S5: We agree that it's going to just be laminate through the whole house. Is that what ended up? Okay. 00:12:42,720 S1: Except for the heart, the floor and the living room. Look, it's they're going to strip and just polyurethane because it's light. Yeah. Yeah. But. Yeah. And I. 00:12:51,799 S5: Just. 00:12:51,960 S1: Couldn't pick the laminate. Um, yeah. Because we didn't want to have to replace carpet. Anybody. No, but it's going to be. So there'll be laminate throughout. Um, that used to work in the bathroom. Yeah. Did you get the cabinets painted? The kitchen cabinets that look really good? Yeah. Sounds great. Um, so it just looks cleaner. Even with it being a construction site. It's just the whole. 00:13:16,039 S5: You know, they'd have to replace a couple of the cabinets. Wasn't there some water damage? 00:13:20,720 S1: Yeah. Yeah. This wasn't near the same. 00:13:23,399 S5: They're just that one. 00:13:24,360 S1: Mhm. And then downstairs there was some mold remediation and they took all the wall all of it down. Oh they would have to. Yeah. And they're going to put new insulation in the basement. And then they've got drywall down there to put up and then they've got a paint and do all that. But that's so they had a lot to do. And they have a lot to do and have not heard yet that they've said they can't do it. 00:13:45,730 S5: What about the stairs outside. 00:13:47,570 S1: They have not been done yet. Okay. My suggestion. 00:13:50,690 S5: Would be based. 00:13:51,210 S1: On all those things that you just approach them and say, do you need an extension? Um, Vicki's handling that. Okay. Yeah. She she's on top of them. They they talk to her often. Okay. Great. About what they're doing. So she's she's wafting. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're going to have to work 24/7 as far as I'm concerned looking at it. But we'll see. We'll see. But yeah. And then they've got, we've got permission to go in next door. Uh, yeah. They're talking to the uh, this time about going in and doing the work over there. Um, excusing myself at that point. 00:14:31,769 S2: Right. 00:14:34,350 S1: No one else is allowed to leave after March 19th. John just came. All right. Any other questions about Shea Dexter? At this point, we're just trying to get it done. The lottery is on here. Yeah, I'm still bleeding on that. Yeah, fine. Get your. I can get the, um, the contract together. It's been an awkward past couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah. Well, past week has been, you know, people in in all stuff, so. Yeah, I'm working on it, though, with, um, with town administrator. Okay. All we can do. 24 Cherry Street update. Yeah. So I heard from Steve today. There's nothing. Nothing has changed. I haven't done anything new with the state. Um, but they would like this. The trust to send your recommendations about what you'd like to see and how much money you would be willing to to donate. I know we've talked about it many times. Um, the 300,000, 100,000 per unit. Uh, what I think we've everyone realized is 100,000 per youth is not going to make a unit affordable. It's not going to give them what they need to actually create an affordable unit. If, um, I guess if the trust wanted to say, well, donate, well, you know, you'll put in 300,000 and then. Yeah, then let them see what they can get for affordable units for that much. It may only be one. Is there any. 00:16:06,409 S5: Feedback on the survey in terms of the. 00:16:09,450 S1: Number. 00:16:09,730 S5: Of houses. 00:16:10,570 S1: The number. 00:16:11,009 S5: Of units that the property would hold. 00:16:14,289 S1: Or so the I think the towns recommendation is going to be three units max. Okay. That's our recommendation. The state doesn't have to take that recommendation. But the state's been very generous in their time letting the town communicate with anyone? 00:16:32,909 S2: I have a question. Is that Peter? The selectmen determined that they want to do three units. Let me, I guess let me get to where I thought my end point is. If if we're only going to get if neighbors don't like it and we're going to get three units and we're going to get one affordable. My thought is if we're going to put 300 or $400,000 in, why not for the sake of the neighbors, if the selectmen think it's okay to let maybe a single family home go there, take the 3 or 400,000 and we're going to invest in and put it towards a home like a single family home that's already in the neighborhood, that people are already okay with, that people already like. And then you have an $800,000 home, you put 300,000 or whatever it takes down to make it an affordable, you know, and then you know that they sell it for 500. And I don't know what the numbers are, but that's just a thought. But I don't know what the heck are you talking about that. 00:17:27,630 S1: Particular property or anything like. 00:17:29,289 S2: That. Talk about anything in the town. 00:17:31,170 S1: Anything in the town. 00:17:32,289 S2: For example. If it's pretty contentious, right, then what's going there? And I don't know where the selection on. I don't know where the state they say the state might say we just want housing and we're going to put three units here no matter what. If that's the case, then, then, then we talk about it that way. But if the state's not saying that the selectmen aren't sure yet what they want, and that's a question to Peter, then if it's really contentious, why not just let it go to a single family home? It makes the neighbors really happy. And if we're going to take 300,000 or whatever 400,000 or whatever it might be and put it towards affordable housing, there are houses in Hamilton and Hamilton. I'm sorry. Why don't we just be one and one that are in the six, you know, 7000 $800,000 range? Just put money towards that and put a lot of, you know, making an affordable home that stays affordable and perfect for one home somewhere else for one community. And it doesn't affect the community, the neighbors, you know, it doesn't affect people. Yeah. That would make them upset, you know. So just throwing them out there. I don't know. 00:18:36,549 S1: The truth does not have to put money into this person. It's not mandatory. Um, if you want some affordable units there, yes, they're going to need some funding. There's no guarantee, though, that that would become a single family home. The state is going to put out the RFP, and they'll give more credit to a developer who says, I'll do three units there if they, you know, if it was three, uh, market rate units, perhaps it's viable. Um, but if you're given the land. I don't know. I think I guess the trust has to kind of decide. Do you want to put something into it or not? 00:19:16,029 S5: I have a hard time committing money to something when we don't know what it is. Yeah. 00:19:21,670 S1: I agree. 00:19:22,750 S2: So the states the state is committed to to multi. They want three units mental. It sounds like I'm asking the question is that what they're saying. 00:19:30,079 S5: They just. 00:19:30,400 S3: Want more. 00:19:31,000 S1: They want more housing period. Because it's under the Affordable Housing Act. And so there's this there's smallest project to to date to do housing in a magical way. It's their land. Yeah. And they're being courteous to us and say, what? What would you like to do? But there's no guarantee that. What would. But I think what I've talked to Steve about is that, that if we were to come to the plate and say, here's 300,000, even for an affordable unit on that property, that that sweetens the pot for them to consider an affordable loan. If we don't put anything into it, then they won't consider it at all, and they'll just do market rate. 00:20:13,519 S5: Because we can do it with the caveat that they only get the money if there's an affordable unit on the property. 00:20:19,000 S1: Can't we? We can. Absolutely, absolutely we can. 00:20:21,440 S5: I mean, I think that, in my opinion, is the way to go, because otherwise we're giving money away and saying, here, just do what you want and like we can't. Right. So it doesn't benefit the town any. 00:20:31,460 S1: Right. So we can frame it that. I mean, what what Steve was saying to me at this point, the status feedback is 100,000 per unit for 3 or 4 tables isn't going to move the needle. If we took 300,000 towards one affordable, that might move the needle and make the developer say, okay, with that much down, I can I can afford to do an affordable and then maybe do two market rates if that's what they choose to do. Um, so I think if we were to frame it, we would have to frame it that that 300,000 it was. 00:21:03,660 S5: To go at. 00:21:04,500 S1: Least one affordable unit. 00:21:07,700 S5: On that property on that project, not none of this. Sign off and sell it somewhere else. 00:21:11,900 S1: No no no no. 00:21:13,980 S3: Can and can if they do three units, do we do we anticipate more building or will they all be within the structure. That's there now. 00:21:23,279 S1: More building. 00:21:24,319 S3: More building. Okay. 00:21:27,279 S1: Going to. 00:21:27,720 S3: The upsetting. Is that what's upsetting the neighbors? 00:21:31,240 S5: Yeah. Everything is upsetting the neighbors. Yeah. 00:21:34,200 S3: The more buildings, the big thing. 00:21:37,279 S5: The building, the affordability. Factor. The water factor. The sewer factor. They. Named it all as problems at this point. The fact that one of them has buildings on the land that's not theirs. And that might be an issue with the state as another factor. 00:21:53,839 S3: Yeah, I forgot about that. You're right. I forgot about that little detail. What are they doing about. 00:22:00,759 S2: Not a little detail. 00:22:01,759 S5: It's not oh, it's not a little detail, but. 00:22:04,759 S1: Because you're doing a the the select board is approved to do a survey of. 00:22:08,279 S2: The. It's all doing it. 00:22:09,920 S1: Yeah. 00:22:11,240 S2: I mean you can just look at it and just that's really going to impact the people on the west side Right. 00:22:21,619 S1: So. So go ahead. John. 00:22:23,339 S2: Yes. So the selectmen would like to see three units, do you think or. 00:22:30,539 S2: I think there's a I think the way you phrased it, at least one that's probably the right way to go. At least. 00:22:38,460 S5: One of these one. 00:22:39,059 S2: Afford at least three units with at least one affordable units like I did. Well, I don't mean. 00:22:46,099 S1: I don't think that you haven't made it. No, you haven't made a decision about how many or anything of that. Sort of like what happened. But what we're here to talk about is do we want an affordable. And if we can get. 00:22:58,500 S5: More money, we. 00:22:59,339 S1: Can get what? If they want our money? That's what they're going to. 00:23:02,539 S5: We're going to I mean by buying. Right. We can't even give them money if there's not an affordable unit. So it's all I mean it's, it's it's just. 00:23:09,819 S1: Framing it in the right language to say, yeah, if an affordable can be done, we will give you the 300,000 to do an affordable unit on that property. What else they decide to do is get up in the air. As far as I know. Is that right, Peter? Yeah. 00:23:25,039 S5: I mean, can we put some. 00:23:28,640 S5: Like, it has to be at least two bedrooms or it had, like, something. Well, then there's. I mean, I don't want this little studio apartment for $300,000 and then two monstrosities. 00:23:37,440 S1: Right? The other piece of it is is not is is the question that's on the table is is it rent? Is it going to be. Do we want a rental unit or do we want it to be owned? And I think in our conversations I've heard rental would be what we're. 00:23:50,799 S5: Preferably. 00:23:51,519 S1: Preferably for art, which is not what the neighbors would like. 00:23:55,200 S2: And that, that that's to me that's a concern. The neighbors. Um, if I lived there, I would want to be heard saying. 00:24:02,640 S1: Well, they are being heard. They are. They have a group that's been meeting, um, more than once, I think a few times that they've met some working group that's meeting and we're trying to we're not. But this town is trying to address their issues. 00:24:17,410 S2: So, Nikki, the house directly across the street from you. 00:24:22,130 S6: It's a three family rental. Yeah, it's a rental. 00:24:26,170 S2: And so what's. 00:24:27,009 S5: The big deal? Well, I mean. 00:24:27,809 S6: It's owned, but yes, it's it's owned by a couple, and their children live in one unit, and they're two others. It's wonderful. I mean. 00:24:36,970 S5: And in all honesty, haven't we ever proven that owned homes. People can't afford to keep up with them? Time and again, we've come across that where rentals are being taken care of because we're responsible to take care of them. So they're really being upheld better than the owner of property are. 00:24:56,769 S1: Right. And it has been the mandate of both the master plan and our action plan to increase rental units within the city. 00:25:04,130 S5: So may I get the town, the neighbors, you know, in their minds, that's a horrible thing. But we can prove with history that it's a better thing. 00:25:14,589 S1: Well, and the other piece about about it is, uh, Margaret and I have talked about this. If you're at 80%, am I to live in a rental unit here? You're still. Your rent is going to be at $3,500. Yeah. And so the person who's going to live there is going to be a policeman, a teacher. Yeah. It's, you know, you're going to have. 00:25:36,509 S5: It's not Joe Schmo that wants a slum landlord apartment. 00:25:39,789 S1: No. So there are going to be people who are contributing to the community that would live there. Yes. 00:25:44,750 S2: What do they get for personal freedom? For example, a police officer. And even more. Do they get preferential. 00:25:50,829 S1: In the lottery? Yeah. In a in an affordable unit that the town's contributed funds to. You could put like a stipulation on that. There's, um, preference for a random resident or an employee. Someone who works in town who has children in town. Um. Sounds good. The state doesn't always go for that. It depends. The the state does a calculation at the time when the lottery starts as to whether they will do that or not, but we certainly could get in that motion. We don't have to put that in the motion. That's our recommendation at the moment. We don't have to be so big. I would say. 00:26:29,529 S5: Go let them fight. 00:26:30,410 S1: Whatever things would like to see. Send it off and the state will decide whether they'll accept those as conditions or. And they can put them out there in the RFP. And that's all they're doing is saying, here's a piece of land. You don't have to pay for it. But if you do develop it, here's what we want to see built there. Give us a proposal. And the person who gives the proposal with most of those things checked off would win the bid. Um, the more like if you the if you propose an affordable unit, you'll get more points. If you do just three units, you'll get more points. I mean, someone could come in with 5 or 6 units and say, you know, I can build 5 or 6 units and make two affordable. You know what I mean? Someone could come in with a different proposal, but the states one. 00:27:19,190 S2: So the and again, forgive me I know it's talking a lot but so the state is it sounds like the states made the decision that this isn't going to be a single family home, that this is going to be multi. No, I. 00:27:29,670 S1: Would say that they haven't made that decision. They'll put the RFP out there and they may get no bids on this. Someone. There may not be a developer who says this is a feasible project because of the size of the lot, or, you know, the constraints that it has from one thing or another. And they may say, you know, this should just be a nice support, a nice single family home. So when we do that. 00:27:57,589 S2: Why don't we write that list of stipulation? Yeah. 00:28:01,309 S1: Let's do it. 00:28:01,990 S2: Let's do it. 00:28:02,470 S6: And then so what's our amount. 00:28:04,710 S2: And then so what do you. 00:28:06,430 S1: Want to do for the amount 371. 00:28:09,130 S5: Not to exceed 300. At least one. 00:28:11,650 S1: 300,000. At least one. Okay. 00:28:13,529 S5: And then we would like it to be a rival and put the stipulation on at least a couple that, you know, like it has to be. 00:28:25,650 S5: A full house. I mean, we don't want. Yeah. 00:28:27,970 S1: We don't want a studio apart. Yeah, right. A minimum. 00:28:31,569 S5: Yeah. I mean, two bedrooms. Yeah. 00:28:33,849 S6: A minimum of. 00:28:34,609 S1: Two bedrooms for the affordable. 00:28:36,289 S5: Correct. 00:28:37,690 S1: Okay. John, any contributions to that conversation? 00:28:40,369 S2: I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. 00:28:41,529 S1: The going through. Okay. I'm going to miss you. 00:28:43,849 S2: You know, especially with. I keep thinking about the neighbors. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:28:48,609 S1: And we. 00:28:49,049 S2: Are. 00:28:49,250 S1: We are very. 00:28:50,009 S2: Aware. I know it sounds like then that if the state's been courteous in the sense because they own it, they can do whatever they want. And the state essentially has ruling overall zoning. It sounds like that if we don't do something right, that the state decides what they want to do. They could put six units there. They could put whatever they want to do. They could put three units in. So it sounds like if if anytime I believe anytime you have any say and they give you say you don't want to lose that control. 00:29:19,700 S1: Exactly. 00:29:20,220 S2: They want that. So it might be better for the neighbors. If if somehow we all come together. Absolutely. 00:29:26,579 S1: It would be better. 00:29:27,619 S2: So can I just tell you something? Yeah. So, um, was it the maples? Mhm. That's a habit. 00:29:35,579 S1: No. Maplewood. 00:29:38,220 S2: Sorry. 00:29:39,180 S1: Oh, Maplewood. Yeah. 00:29:41,420 S2: Yeah. And, um, when that was being proposed, everyone on the end of that street were totally against it. 00:29:51,059 S5: Mhm. 00:29:52,099 S2: And when it was actually opened and everybody got the tour, even the people across the street were like, wow, that's really good. Came up. with it. 00:30:05,240 S1: But I think for any neighborhood, any kind of change that they don't feel they have a lot of control over is a big concern. And so what we're trying to do is create something that's within our purview that also meets the needs of what that neighborhood wants, which is the minimum of housing done there. So we can only propose it. Then the state puts it in the RFP. But then what they decide. 00:30:34,160 S5: Can we put it as affordable in perpetuity? 00:30:38,559 S1: So yes. Yes. 00:30:40,759 S5: So if it goes from being a rental to being a privately owned state. 00:30:44,240 S1: It stays unaffordable. Yeah. 00:30:46,599 S3: Yeah. And we also add, like you said, that first first bid could go to a Wynnum resident or someone employed in one of them. 00:30:55,839 S1: Yeah. 00:30:56,640 S3: And you could you could also put a veterans thing in there too if you wanted to. 00:31:03,819 S1: And if they meet the affordability requirements. 00:31:06,740 S5: Yeah. 00:31:07,140 S2: Yeah. 00:31:08,140 S6: I think that, um, resident or works in the community. 00:31:10,980 S1: Yeah. The online resident works. What about children in the school system? 00:31:16,140 S6: Yep. 00:31:16,660 S1: Yeah. And veterans? Yeah. Okay. 00:31:21,539 S2: It's going to be a 2 or 2 bedroom. These are. 00:31:23,859 S5: Minimum. Minimum. But we're asking. 00:31:26,380 S1: For me two. 00:31:27,539 S5: 2 or 3. 00:31:28,259 S1: Three 2 or 3. Yeah. That at least gives them something that they can put in the RFP on our behalf. 00:31:35,460 S5: I mean, for 300 grand if you have a little site. 00:31:38,380 S1: Yeah, yeah. This is what we want to do with it. 00:31:40,700 S5: Yeah. 00:31:41,619 S3: That also is not age restricted. So it could be a couple in there. Yeah. 00:31:47,380 S5: Yeah. 00:31:48,059 S1: Yeah. And do you, uh, do you have a preference for age restriction? Would you rather see it? Not age. 00:31:54,900 S5: I think leave it open. 00:31:55,779 S6: We would not. Yeah. No. 00:31:57,180 S2: Exactly. 00:31:58,339 S6: In looking at the mAPK documents. 27% of Wyndham's population are 18 to 24, and who at that age, in their early 20s to the. 00:32:08,599 S5: Age, restricted. 00:32:10,279 S1: Can I just. 00:32:10,839 S2: Ask a question? 00:32:11,799 S1: Sure you can. 00:32:12,440 S2: Are they including all the Gordo people in there? 00:32:15,359 S1: Yeah. They do. 00:32:16,920 S6: Oh. 00:32:17,160 S5: That's true. They can. 00:32:18,200 S6: Good point. 00:32:18,880 S1: Yeah. That number is always skewed. 00:32:20,880 S2: What I read when I read that, I'm like, why aren't they calling out Gordon? 00:32:24,200 S1: Yeah they should. 00:32:25,079 S6: That's true. That's a great. 00:32:26,039 S5: Plus or -1800 people. Right. 00:32:29,319 S1: So we do work. But that is our diversity though, right? 00:32:32,720 S6: But I know plenty of people in this age range and in their 20s who are living with their parents because it's too expensive to live in women. Otherwise. Oh, yeah. So we need to offer options. 00:32:44,240 S1: Yeah. 00:32:44,599 S5: I mean, I think my parents feel like that. I do live with them. Yeah. 00:32:49,200 S1: I can't do. 00:32:50,160 S5: That. 00:32:50,880 S1: All right. Any other contributions to this? Um. 00:32:55,960 S2: I think this is good. 00:32:57,799 S1: Everybody feel good with this? No. You're okay with this? Okay. 00:33:01,059 S2: So write it up and then send it out. We can look at it. 00:33:04,539 S1: Yeah. 00:33:05,019 S2: Yeah. I really like it. 00:33:07,380 S1: Yeah. We'll put this together. Um, if there was anything else that we discussed in previous meetings, I. One thing that I would like to see is that the town and the trust enter into, like, a development agreement before the property is transferred to a developer so that everyone knows just what they're going to build. So they can't say we got the land and now or we changed our mind. Why can't we? 00:33:37,380 S5: Right, exactly. There has to be something that says that. 00:33:40,380 S1: Yeah. So we'll recommend a development agreement. Um, prior to no money, even prior to transfer. 00:33:46,700 S5: Yeah. 00:33:47,460 S1: Right. Right. I don't I mean, I don't know whether they'll make sure of that, but. Oh, we want to see what they want to do. I mean, I think that's I feel like we shot in the dark here without plans or anything, you know, feels a little. I do want to let you all know that we have to have. The humanity is actually considering this process. They've heard about it. Habitat for humanity. 00:34:11,280 S5: But that would be a sale and not. 00:34:13,119 S1: Would be all right. That would be ownership. But they do good work. 00:34:17,280 S2: But they might consider rental, right? No, no. 00:34:20,760 S5: No, they don't do rental. 00:34:22,280 S1: They don't do rental. 00:34:24,559 S2: That they would they would sell to us and we would do well. That's what I mean. The data is that oh I've. 00:34:29,719 S1: Never heard that they would do that. 00:34:31,440 S5: No, I don't think we'd qualify. I don't think we qualify because because as a town we wouldn't be. 00:34:36,039 S1: Habitat has those people. Their model is the people who are going to own it helped construct it. So. So yeah, but good thinking outside the box. And some of these may get rejected by them, or they may get rejected by a developer and say, well, I can't build rental there. Would the trust still contribute the funds if someone said they can't do rental? 00:35:02,570 S5: Maybe we'd have to see what else they tell us. Right. 00:35:06,210 S1: I think so. I think we want to hear what they have to say. So what do you think? 00:35:10,090 S5: No idea. 00:35:10,769 S1: I mean. 00:35:11,769 S6: If it's affordable, if it's affordable. I mean, obviously our preference is for rental, but if we're still getting unaffordable, unaffordable ownership. 00:35:20,690 S5: Right. We just have to see. What if they come back and say, like, we're not doing this. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. We still want the money. Then we'd have to, you know. 00:35:27,570 S1: Consider. 00:35:28,170 S5: Okay. Right. But yeah. 00:35:30,530 S2: And if it was a habitat, maybe we could get a right of first refusal. If if it ever does get sold in the future. Right. 00:35:37,050 S1: You could talk to them about how that goes. Yeah. Any other contribution to this? I think this is great because I know Steve wanted this before the end of the summer, so this is great. Thank you. We're ahead and are amazing. 00:35:53,050 S2: So good. 00:35:54,469 S1: So together. And then, um. Are you are you okay to vote tonight to make these recommendations to the select board? I think so. We've had a good discussion. Um, I'll go back over them. So your preferences are 300 that you would be willing to contribute 300,000 for at least one affordable unit. Your preferences for rental. You would like to see two bedrooms for the affordable unit. At least a minimum of two. Um, that the affordability is in perpetuity. The that there would be a local preference for when a resident, someone who works in town or has children in the school system, or is a veteran who lives in town. Um, and that they you would not require an age restriction, and you would like to see a development agreement prior to the transfer of the property. So let's make that into a motion, please. 00:36:49,590 S2: No. So? So what? Well, okay, Peter. So what I suggest is that you just repeat that and you repeat it as part of the motion problem. 00:37:03,210 S1: You do? 00:37:03,650 S2: Peter, does that go? Okay. So I moved that we. 00:37:09,050 S1: That went that we, uh, recommend to the select board. 00:37:12,849 S2: Recommend to the select board. 00:37:15,289 S1: For the 24 Cherry Street project. 00:37:18,530 S2: For the 24 Cherry Street project. 00:37:21,409 S1: That the Affordable Housing Trust is willing to contribute to. 00:37:25,849 S2: The Affordable Housing Trust is willing to contribute up to $300,000. 00:37:30,849 S1: All right. Yeah, at least one unit of affordable housing. 00:37:35,050 S2: Or at least one unit of affordable housing. 00:37:37,929 S1: Your preferences for rental. 00:37:40,849 S2: Preferences or rental. 00:37:44,170 S1: Um, you would prefer a minimum of two bedrooms for the affordable unit. 00:37:51,590 S2: We would prefer a minimum of two bedrooms for the affordable unit. 00:37:57,989 S1: And that the affordability is in perpetuity. 00:38:01,230 S2: That the affordability is in perpetuity. 00:38:04,989 S1: And that the affordable unit has a local preference, or. 00:38:09,190 S2: That the affordable unit has a local preference. 00:38:13,230 S1: For a Windham resident. 00:38:15,269 S2: Or a Windham resident. 00:38:16,590 S1: Someone who works in Wenham. 00:38:18,469 S2: Someone who works in Warren. 00:38:20,269 S1: Has children in the school system. 00:38:22,230 S2: As children in the school system. 00:38:23,909 S1: Or as a veteran. 00:38:25,150 S2: Or as a veteran. 00:38:26,429 S1: In Wenham. 00:38:27,469 S2: Lynn. Woman. 00:38:28,829 S1: Um, you would not require an age restriction. 00:38:32,269 S2: We will not require an age restriction. 00:38:36,070 S1: And you would like to see a development agreement prior to the transfer of the property, and you would like to see it. 00:38:45,230 S2: We would like to see a development developer agreement prior to transferring the land. 00:38:52,050 S1: Yes. 00:38:53,489 S5: I said. 00:38:54,449 S3: As I thought it was prior to us giving them the 300,000. 00:39:01,130 S1: Uh, no. Prior to the transfer of the land from the state. 00:39:05,730 S6: To. 00:39:05,849 S1: The developer. Yeah. To the developer. Okay. Yeah. You're going to be giving them the money until you knew for sure what was going on. 00:39:12,650 S6: Okay. 00:39:15,090 S1: Okay. So that. 00:39:16,250 S6: Centered Peter and Erica. 00:39:19,010 S1: Second. Okay. 00:39:21,090 S2: I hear you. Yes. 00:39:23,809 S5: Erica. Yes. 00:39:24,889 S6: Yes. 00:39:25,329 S5: Nicky. 00:39:25,650 S6: Yes. 00:39:26,289 S1: Judy. 00:39:27,409 S3: Judy. Yes. 00:39:30,130 S1: Great. I'll put the ball down. Wow. Good work. Good work, everybody. 00:39:35,250 S3: Well, while you're not in the middle of something, I could not hear when you said that somebody's father died. Whose father died? 00:39:42,409 S5: Oh. 00:39:44,050 S1: Uh, maybe after. After when? We're not recording. Can we talk about that, Judy? 00:39:48,099 S3: Um. I won't be here. I've got to leave at seven, so probably not, but that's okay. Just send me an email, let me know. 00:39:53,980 S1: I'll send you a text. I'll send you a text about that. That's fine. Um, other matters that may not have been reasonably anticipated by the chair. Well, this is the one that's of concern to me. Um, the Select board is meeting next Tuesday to hear all the people that would like to stay on the trust. Uh, I believe that would be you and Corey. And did you get that straightened out? Are you one of them or. Yes. 00:40:20,579 S5: I just sent a letter because I didn't have a chance to actually call. So I said the email and he said, good. Okay. 00:40:26,659 S1: So that means that we have one empty slot. I have canvassed some of my friends and neighbors that Judy will not be renewing. And so we have one. 00:40:35,980 S2: Thank you. 00:40:36,820 S1: Thank you, Judy, for your service for. 00:40:38,739 S5: All. 00:40:39,340 S1: Of the years we have. 00:40:40,460 S3: Been a long time. Yeah. 00:40:42,380 S1: It has. And thank you so much. Um, so we have one empty slot. Uh, I talked to Michelle about it yesterday, and she said we have to have a email with someone who said they would like to be considered by the select board by tomorrow morning before. Oh, yeah. You're fine, I checked. You're fine. Corey's fine. And. And Erica is fine. But the slot to fill for Judy is an opening, so I'm throwing it out to you. I have sent out some emails to some of my. We need to. 00:41:15,639 S2: Put somebody by tomorrow. 00:41:18,000 S1: Yes. 00:41:18,440 S5: Seems really kind of crazy. 00:41:20,000 S3: Well, if it. 00:41:20,480 S1: Doesn't, and if it does, it can. If it does, because he she's got a post the the select board agenda by tomorrow for the Tuesday meeting. 00:41:29,599 S3: So I did give them notice probably a month ago though. I mean that's. 00:41:34,840 S1: I know and I've been looking for someone for about a month. Okay. I have not had success. I thought I might. So the three of you that have is fine. But we do have one one opening. 00:41:48,420 S3: Do they have a list of people that are looking to serve on a board? 00:41:54,260 S1: I have not. 00:41:54,940 S5: Seen any list of boards that are looking to serve people. 00:41:58,659 S3: So a list of people who are looking or wanting to serve on a board is what I said. 00:42:04,300 S5: Yeah, I know that's a bad joke that no, we have the opposite. Yeah, we have lots of open spots and no people interested. 00:42:12,260 S3: Okay. 00:42:13,900 S2: So, um, well, Judy, you're going to have to be with us another two years. 00:42:17,260 S1: Yeah. So this is my my proposal to everyone that within your circles, I've been working in mine and and have not been successful. But if you would work in your circles and see if there's anyone that would be, um, compatible and in the same, you know, that would like to talk about affordable housing in a positive way, then we would love to see them. It would be considered, and I'm sure, Peter, that if it doesn't happen by this particular slip board meeting, if there's a person that wants to apply. Yeah, they can apply at any time. Right. And then we'll bring that before the board. But you'll have three for Tuesday to consider that they're already on the board. 00:42:56,320 S2: Right. 00:42:57,039 S1: Um, so that's what I'm just for discussion purposes, please put out the word among your among your friends and colleagues. 00:43:06,159 S5: Do we need to. 00:43:06,719 S1: Be there in person? Um, Peter, do you have to be in person? I don't believe so. For your. When you review the the applications for the committee, you just review their appointment when you appoint people. But to be worthless like Eric. Yeah. Okay. Okay. No praise. 00:43:23,280 S2: So I think it works better if the person is there. 00:43:28,000 S1: It does look better if you're free to be there. That would be great. You don't have to be there. Is there any other matters that we have not covered that? Did you want to tell them about the CPC. Oh, yes, that was the other thing. Okay, um, the CPC application process has changed. Um, we now have to have a pre-application prepared with what our project is going to be by the first week of October. Which means we have to figure out what our project is going to be over the summer, so that I can put together a proposal for October for the pre-application. 00:44:07,059 S5: To speak to the project. 00:44:09,860 S1: Um, I don't know it. I tried that last year and it didn't work because there wasn't a developer, there wasn't an architectural plan. They felt we did not have enough information to qualify for that being a project. And Nikki and I, she worked on the slide and it it it did not go through. So unless we have architectural drawings and a developer and something concrete for Cherry Street. I think it's not going to fly. Is there any chance the Maple Habitat project will be further along? That could be. That would be a good one to think about. So we have to do a pre-application by by early October. Then the final application has to go in the first week of December. 00:44:55,519 S3: Which should we ask for funds. Additional funds for what is being done at two a Dexter. That's certainly in the process. 00:45:03,679 S1: That can be considered, I think that will be completed before the right. 00:45:08,800 S3: But to replenish what we spent. 00:45:11,960 S1: Yeah we could. So two we could do two way Dexter. We could do the maples with habitat. 00:45:18,360 S3: Not the maples. 00:45:19,280 S5: No Maple Street, Maple Street. I think Maple Street is great if it's far enough along. 00:45:25,840 S1: Yeah, if we have some documentation that would make it credible. Yeah. Um, so just to let you know that I know that the CPC group is, um, they want something very specific and that we really need funding for, because they do ask me what our balance is and when they find out what our balance is, they say, you don't put any money. 00:45:47,210 S2: Just isn't there a certain amount earmarked. 00:45:49,769 S1: 10% is always earmarked. Yeah. This past year, um, we didn't even get the ten. 00:45:56,530 S5: Yeah. How is that? 00:45:57,289 S2: How was the build up all the time? All right. So. 00:45:59,730 S1: Right. Yeah. I mean, they have to leave it leave it there for us. 00:46:02,329 S2: So we usually will. 00:46:03,329 S1: Have we'll have a good, nice project. They they leave it there, uh, for the CPC, for the CPC. They have to give out those funds. If someone wants to use affordable housing, they can go to the CPC for the money. It just has to go to town meeting, right? If it's in your account, it doesn't have to go to town meeting. And so we have a little more flexibility. But you could you could just ask the CPC for the funds and let them. They don't always do that. So some communities do. They just automatically give them to the chart. But we have to ask so so I just want to be aware that we have to have a project and we have to have it pretty clear and and concrete as far as what the money is going to go for. And so we need to think about that in the next month is to come up with something. So I'm not scrambling in September to write. But and they do want a they like the fact that we've been doing these PowerPoint presentations that they and I will bring that I think, to the next thing. We'll put it on the agenda so you can see what the applications look like, what we're talking about. But those were the two things and I think. 00:47:09,429 S5: Yeah, I. 00:47:09,989 S1: Think Maple Street might be a little more concrete. And I think it'd be further along. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Are there any other things to discuss before we vote for an adjournment? 00:47:20,590 S2: I make a motion to adjourn the second. 00:47:23,269 S5: Second. 00:47:23,989 S2: John? Yes? 00:47:25,789 S1: You heard? 00:47:26,389 S2: Yes. 00:47:27,429 S1: Yes. Yes. 00:47:29,110 S5: Yes. 00:47:30,269 S1: Judy. 00:47:30,710 S3: Judy. Yes.