00:00:01,560 S1: Say several 7 p.m. and I'm calling You. May 19th, 2026 Planning Board meeting to order. This meeting is in the gates of the Town hall. For the sake of everyone watching online. I will take role. So when I call your name, would you please indicate that you're present, like Jonathan Cohen? 00:00:24,519 S2: Jonathan. Poor president, but I can barely hear what you're saying is just tremendous problems of white noise here. Tremendous problems. 00:00:31,879 S1: Screen men are still waiting. 00:00:35,280 S3: They're all waiting to hear them. 00:00:37,439 S1: I don't know, Dahlquist. 00:00:39,399 S4: Abel. Dahlquist here. 00:00:40,759 S1: No problem here. Dicing day out here. I'll just. 00:00:45,799 S5: Bat. Animal here. Anything? 00:00:47,240 S1: Not this. 00:00:47,840 S6: Here. Jeff Austin here. 00:00:49,039 S1: And Marty Crouch here. Good Lord, so I will. I know it's right here, right now. We have to end this meeting at about 830. But you're seeing. This medium has to be, um, good. So it can be cleaned for the students, I guess, for the planning board. Okay. What is the the guide. 00:01:09,730 S7: That I asked is. 00:01:10,530 S1: Chosen and how it has to be cleaned and straightened up. So you do have to. 00:01:15,489 S6: Remind us that the rooms have a really hard time hearing you. 00:01:17,530 S2: Yeah, it's not this. 00:01:18,489 S6: This isn't going to work. 00:01:19,730 S2: It's not going to work. 00:01:20,930 S7: May I see you guys. 00:01:22,129 S1: In this. 00:01:22,489 S7: Table? 00:01:22,890 S3: Thanks for the untreated dog. 00:01:30,569 S7: He's trying to walk in all of that trouble test. 00:01:34,010 S1: Oh, no. 00:01:34,810 S6: And I think that all the focus now. 00:01:36,409 S7: Well, it it depends on where the. I don't know where the sound is coming from over there. There's a can. We know. I think they have more salads. Yeah. You guys can move closer. 00:01:47,049 S3: That's the work. 00:01:48,170 S6: That's all. 00:01:49,370 S3: There's an idea. 00:01:50,290 S2: We literally couldn't make out a single word you said. Tolerating it's all whiteness. 00:01:56,890 S3: It Push him closely. 00:01:58,849 S7: Sure. We should maybe go closer to. Actually, Marnie is the one who needs to go the closest. I mean, we can move to. But Marnie is the one that would make. 00:02:12,289 S7: The lightest of choices. 00:02:16,689 S7: I think it's gonna look good. Unlike me. 00:02:21,930 S2: Probably the members of the audience are gonna have to move it closer to here, too. 00:02:25,810 S6: I'm sure you guys here. 00:02:27,090 S7: Thank you. Yeah. Interesting. 00:02:34,849 S1: I'll try and speak as loud as I can. 00:02:42,490 S1: Anyhow, I'll need her before us tonight. Um, the first public hearing with respect to, um, the special permit and psych applications, uh, Filed by 8 to 1 LLC, known as Everest um, and they proposed to construct a 110 across Monsanto Co, becoming the Public Safety March 30th. 00:03:10,699 S7: To. 00:03:12,620 S1: Raise public hearing. 00:03:17,219 S1: For Butters but save the appropriate notice. 00:03:22,580 S8: Yes, you voted for one thing and there was a place that we were. 00:03:30,979 S8: There was just the public hearing reviewing special permit application pursuant to section 89, 10 million bylaw 72 and 9.6. On May 19th, 2026, at 7 p.m., the Mount Vernon Multi-Purpose room 775 came out. 00:03:53,180 S3: That's what it's going to look. 00:03:54,139 S8: Yeah. Yeah. Communications LLC. 00:03:57,979 S7: I can see that online. 00:03:59,300 S3: This is just a super. 00:04:01,780 S8: Power within the facility for the station building property to 65, in the road. Section 56 of 32. 00:04:15,379 S3: So this is the existing tower, which is 85. So anyone. 00:04:21,819 S8: That. 00:04:24,139 S8: Is not able to. 00:04:27,860 S8: Get it over here. 00:04:32,860 S8: On Saturday. That person I am. 00:04:39,139 S8: At the launching of the group for power. To assess the impact of the facility and turn it into computer simulation tutorials. The advantage of the weather testing Yeah. 00:04:53,430 S8: Yeah. Yeah. Just the initial number on the weather did not call for 869 for the weekend. For the second weekend. So the applicant utilized the manifest. So. 00:05:09,430 S7: Right. Yeah. 00:05:12,029 S8: That would be your viewer. And he said that that was actually better than the original. 00:05:21,790 S7: Oh, right. Yeah. 00:05:26,149 S8: Well, that is one of those. 00:05:29,470 S1: Okay. So how I thought we should proceed here because it's clear that without the benefit of a full report from our peer reviewer, it would be impossible to make any type of decision tonight with respect to either the special permit application or the site plan review application. So I am proposing that the applicant go through the photo simulations, as well as the PowerPoint presentation that the planning board received at about 4 p.m., uh, this afternoon. And then the Planning Board and any members of the public can ask whatever questions they may have or make any comments. And we will continue this special, uh, this hearing on the special permit application and the site plan review application to June 7th, second, at which time we should have the full report from the peer reviewer. And I note that the issues that are outstanding, really I think, uh, revolve around the height of the tower, whether an equivalent or satisfactory coverage could be had with, uh, perhaps a somewhat Shorter communications tower and any other potential issues that the peer reviewer might want to raise and have a discussion with the applicant. But I think that if we wait until the period you are can complete a report and review it with you, we can resolve all those outstanding issues. And I think for the most part, um, my review of your, um, report, the 26 page report in support of the applications goes a long way in, in addressing, uh, 90% of the applicable bylaw sections and 7.2 and also in section 10.5, which pertains to special permits, and also 10.6, which pertains to site plan review and those, uh, those, uh, your responses to those, um, applicable, uh, bylaw provisions, uh, in my view, could almost be treated as an offer of proof. Um, and so unless our peer reviewer in some way, uh, contest what you have put in that report, and it would more likely be ultra technical and beyond the expertise of members, we can go forward expeditiously, either at the next hearing or one following it. But I don't anticipate any untoward delays, particularly because the, uh, to deny one of these, uh, applications under state and federal law. The planning Board would have to find substantial evidence that you failed to comply with our bylaws or any other applicable laws in our peer review. I can, of course, uh, corroborate my sentiment here and correct me if I'm wrong on any, any of the statements that I've made. So, please. 00:08:59,929 S6: Thank you, Madam Chair. 00:09:01,169 S8: Just for the record, Brian Gross constraints on. 00:09:03,809 S6: The applicant communication policy. 00:09:08,450 S8: Um. 00:09:09,450 S6: We do have. 00:09:11,169 S8: Um, from. 00:09:12,169 S6: Karen, who is the engineer who. 00:09:14,769 S9: Did the plans for, uh, from Terra, who did the plans for Everest. So if there are any engineering questions, we do have him available as well. 00:09:27,210 S9: The presentation is about 13 slides or so, I think. But, you know, for the most part, um. 00:09:37,649 S6: Sure. 00:10:39,460 S3: It's. 00:10:54,899 S9: Just a question. There's no light showing us. Is there supposed to be an indicator light? 00:11:00,779 S7: I don't think so. 00:11:01,740 S9: Okay. Just thought I'd ask. 00:11:04,179 S7: Yeah, we don't have one either, so. 00:11:06,340 S9: Great. Great. Um, I forgot where I was. I think I was introducing Peter. Um, so he is from, uh, Pro Terre and the engineer that did the, uh, plans for Everest. Of the extent there are questions, uh, engineering wise, that I can answer. Yeah, I'll defer those to Pete. Um, we do have Ted Tyminski from Everest on as well, in, um, not 100% sure. I know one of his colleagues may have been joining. I don't know if he's iPad two or not. Um, but we shouldn't shouldn't need to refer to either of them. But if there are questions for Everest that I can't answer again. I may. May defer those to someone after joining us by zoom. Um, the presentation that I sent is nothing new. All it has is information that I drew from the application and usually the prior to having this type of technology available. I kind of would have walked through it orally with no visual aids. Um, now with the ability to do it by screen, we just do a small presentation helps people follow along. Um. Next slide. 00:12:11,779 S3: Um. 00:12:12,740 S9: That's just the relief requested name of the applicant. Um, as you've heard in the in the notice and from the chair, uh, applied for a special permit for the proposed 110 foot monopole and compound, as well as site plan review. 00:12:32,620 S9: This slides just a little bit about Everest. Um, they are a infrastructure provider to the wireless communications industry and the major carriers in the region. They have a number of towers in New England and throughout the country and Massachusetts. They focus on providing a solution that allows for multi carriers at at each site, which is also something that by law requires co-location. So as you'll see later in the bridge, not too far later in the presentation, the proposed facility is being proposed to accommodate more than one wireless communications carrier as well as town equipment, if the town were to so choose to utilize it. Everest has been around for a very long time. It's its founders and senior management have over 100 years of experience collectively in siting wireless communications. And I've been involved with Everest or its predecessor, varsity, who the board knows as well for over 13 years now. I'm doing siting for them. So everyone involved in this has been doing this for a very long time. Very experienced, knows what they're doing. The agreements with all the major carriers to develop infrastructure solutions. As you'll see tonight as well. Verizon Wireless is the expected anchor tenant for the facility next. 00:13:49,870 S9: This is just drawn from the plans submitted with the application. The proposed site is proposed as a monopole. So self-supporting. No lattice, no guy wires 110ft to the top of the tower with a ten foot lightning rod. The other whips you see at the top are the anticipated town equipment, should the town choose to utilize the site as is, the board knows there's an existing lattice tower at uh, at the Public Safety Building. The expectation from the discussions at the site walk we had where town representatives, including police and fire and other folks from the town were present that we would anticipate at some point, the town would move their equipment onto the, uh, the existing or the proposed tower. If approved, they'd gain some additional height from that um, because they would still be at the top and their current tower is about 80, 85ft tall. 00:14:37,600 S1: I hate to interrupt, but if that were to happen with the existing 85 foot tower, be obsolete and removed, or would it continue to be used or you don't know? 00:14:48,879 S9: Um, I don't want to speak for the town. Based on the discussion we had. I think the expectation is that that would moving the equipment would satisfy the town need. But if and when that happens, the town would certainly want to evaluate. Do we have an extra need? Do we need to just put new equipment on the facility and keep the old. That would be up to the town. Um, Everest has has made the space available. And if the town chooses to utilize it, the town will utilize it. If they don't, the existing tower will continue to stay. And if they find a need for both, then. 00:15:19,600 S3: Is a town served by cell coverage and any other towers and the joint, you know, on on the boundary of adjoining towns or anything. 00:15:26,840 S9: Um, by there we say, is the town served by wireless communications carriers, or does the town have other equipment on other towers? I can answer one question. I can't answer the other. So if your question is, are our wireless communications providers utilizing other sites within the town? Yes. That answer is yes. If you're asking me if the town has other sites where they also have equipment on a wireless communications tower. 00:15:49,519 S3: How many of the sites are what are these other sites? 00:15:52,799 S9: Um, there are only two other sites that I'm aware of in Hamilton. There's the one behind DPW, and I think the town might actually have equipment on that as well. Um, and then there's another site kind of north west ish on Ashbury Street. Um. 00:16:08,679 S3: I thought there. 00:16:09,200 S10: Was a facility. 00:16:10,320 S3: At Gordon Conwell on the High Hill. 00:16:12,840 S9: There might be I the RF report that we submitted that's included in the packet has a list. Uh, an extensive list in about 15 or so of the sites that are in the surrounding area. Um, there might be there might be another one that I'm not not thinking of. Um, the next site, kind of as you go down one a, which is where this site covers you, kind of if you're starting north and coming south, you start with the DPW site, then you'd move into the footprint of this site. If you're on, if you're on the Verizon network, and then Verizon has another site at a church in Wenham, and that's kind of the string along one a as you kind of move from the north of Hamilton, just outside of Hamilton. Yeah. 00:16:53,370 S8: Another one. Right. The habitat for. 00:16:55,889 S6: Humanity. 00:16:56,409 S8: Development. 00:16:57,129 S1: That's on Asbury. Yeah. 00:17:00,490 S9: Um. 00:17:01,570 S3: The sites are all 5G, whatever. 00:17:04,369 S9: It's whatever the carrier needs to put on it. So I'm certainly all the carriers right now are on 5G so that they would start there, whether they include backward compatibility for 4G. I would expect so. And then as things continue to move, sites get amended, changed and all. 00:17:21,009 S3: Those other towers, I mean, it's a noticeable feature of this tower is the cluster of aerials up at the top, which provides quite a, you know, negative image. Let's put it that way. As opposed to a, you know, a narrower tower. Um, or the other towers of similar construction? Yes. Okay. 00:17:39,769 S9: Certainly the DPW is, I tell you, I don't know the exact construction of the Ashbury Street or Ashby Street. Um, it's a need. The number of antennas affects the number of users that can utilize the site. So it affects capacity, it affects the site services they can provide and how they provide it. Um, in given some of the statistics that I have later, the usage is only going up. We're into the trillions of megabytes being used now. Uh, and it's over 76% of all US homes are now wireless only, meaning they don't have a landline. That doesn't count. The category I follow in which they call wireless dominant, which is we have a landline. Still trying to figure out why I pay for it every month because if anyone calls me on it, it is definitely not someone I need to talk to. Anyone who knows me calls my wireless phone. Um, for some reason we continue to pay for it. 00:18:32,259 S3: I thought they required landlines for 911. 00:18:35,339 S6: No no. 00:18:36,220 S3: No. 00:18:36,500 S9: Wireless communications works for nine. As a matter of fact, um, and I'm going to misquote my own statistic that I have on a sheet like an age down. Um, it's over 70% of all E911 calls originate from wireless phones, and the number is actually higher. We'll get there. So, um, in terms of design, it's designed to accommodate up to three communications carriers, including the anchor tenant Verizon, as well as two others. Um, so providing for co-location that also affects height, right? So if you're building it for one, someone might be able to get away with a little bit lower, although this is fairly low. And you can consider topography and surrounding vegetation. Um, so in order to make sure that to try and ensure we can't guarantee it, but to try and ensure that those spots are available for meaningful co-location opportunities, as opposed to saying structurally it's there, but no one's ever going to be able to use it. That's in part why the tower is proposed to the height. It is as well, and there is certainly a benefit to the additional height for Verizon. 00:19:33,470 S3: So you guys build and own this tower and releasing it to whatever providers. 00:19:39,630 S9: Correct. 00:19:40,670 S6: Up to. 00:19:40,990 S9: Three. And they have relationships with all the major carriers. So if another carrier has a need in this area of of Hamilton, one, if the site is approved in and up, they would contact Everest. Everest at least to them they would they would co-locate their equipment. 00:19:54,190 S3: So are you a publicly traded company? Right. There are a lot of cell tower providers. Builders are REITs, I think. 00:20:01,109 S9: And, uh, well, IP communications one is an LLC. Okay. 00:20:06,029 S6: Okay. 00:20:08,349 S9: Um. 00:20:11,349 S9: As I mentioned, the height is designed to clear trees, topography, provide for co-location, complies with the required setbacks. The property lines will comply with the Massachusetts State Building Code. All applicable engineering standards including EIA, Tia, and Ansi comply with FAA regulations. No marking or lighting will be required for the facility. All of the facility will also comply with FCC guidelines with regard to radio frequency exposure. 00:20:37,029 S7: On line. 00:20:38,029 S6: It's just a blow up. 00:20:38,990 S9: Of the proposed compound. The final location where it's being proposed behind the Public Safety Building was determined at a site visit, with input from multiple folks from the town, including police and fire. Um, we think we had a representative from the Board of Selectmen. I remember that, Mark. You were there. Um, a lot of discussion. We walked the site. I was there at the end of. One of the engineers from Otero was there, um, to try and find an appropriate location that would not interfere with public safety operations. Obviously, number one priority. Don't interfere with them. 00:21:08,710 S6: Mhm. 00:21:09,589 S9: Um, and, um, to find a location that would comply. And so it complies with the setbacks to property lines. Complied with the setbacks to nearest building off the property, and does not interfere with police operations and fire operations. The compound is 30, is a 34 foot by 59 foot fenced compound inside of a 37 foot by 62 foot lease area, so the compound is a little bit smaller than the lease area. Proposed six foot stockade fence has a 12 foot wide double gate to six feet on each side to allow for access to the facility, sufficient ground space for up to the three large communications carriers, as well as town equipment if needed. The compound location requires almost no clearing and almost no grading. For the most part, it's an existing. About half of it, if not more. It is existing pavement behind the building, and then it extends a little bit onto a long landscaped grass area that's pretty flat as well. It is short of any of the septic or stormwater management systems that are back there. Again, engineering confirmed all that to ensure that we weren't having any negative effect on operations or other systems serving the property. So in terms of overall clearing, no clearing, for no additional clearing of trees or shrubs or anything like that, it's the only thing that's being taken up is lawn. The compound is covered by crushed stone. So minimal effect on runoff. And actually there will be tie into the stormwater management system so that we won't increase any runoff experience currently. 00:22:45,200 S9: So larger view of the site in general. Two things notable about this one the existing access the access will follow existing. So there's two there's the existing access points to the property. Uh Everest will utilize that as well as the carriers utilize that to access the facility when they need to. Um, and then there's the utility run, which comes off the end of the north there. Uh, there's an existing utility pole on right near the senior center. So utilities will run to that pole and then down underground following that red line along the property. Along the property. Along the back of the parking lot there over to the facility. But that will all be underground. 00:23:28,650 S6: Next. 00:23:33,609 S9: As the chair noted, we gave you a 26 or so page document that goes through line by line, every part of the applicable zoning bylaws. I won't do that here. I'll hit some of the highlights. If you have questions on any of it or anything that was in the document, I'm happy to answer them. But if I tried to go through 26 pages, we'd be here all night. Compound is screened one by the stockade fence, two by the existing building, for the most part, blocks the view pretty much from from Bay road in the park. And then there's existing vegetation surrounding the site, as well as fencing surrounding the site as well. Again, minimal ground disturbance or clearing of vegetation, which is another part. That site plan speaks to no adverse impact on vehicular or pedestrian traffic once constructed. Sites visited maybe 1 to 2 times per month per carrier. For routine maintenance that's done in an SUV sized vehicle. So nothing that would look inappropriate. You know, up and down one a up and down. Any neighborhood in, um, in Hamilton. Um, there's no storage on the site. There's no there are no employees on the site. It's unmanned and passive in nature. So there's, you know, no one's there every day. Um, it doesn't require water, does not require sewer, doesn't generate water or discharge water. It doesn't generate sewage. Um, there'll be no offensive lighting, odors, smoke, noise or refuse generated by the facility as well. 00:24:55,089 S4: There is a generator on the site. Oh, is that correct? 00:24:57,329 S9: Verizon will. 00:24:57,930 S6: Propose a. 00:24:58,329 S9: Generator. Yes. Um, obviously the generator can be. First of all, we'll have some some noise shielding associated with it. Second, the main concern for generators tend to be when they are when they're exercised for maintenance that can be set. So it's not that maintenance isn't going. Maintenance cycle is not going to happen at two in the morning. It's going to happen and more likely to happen at two in afternoon. It can be set whenever the board is. Um, but it typically happened, you know, during a point in the day where it won't disturb anybody. 00:25:25,220 S6: Okay. 00:25:26,579 S9: Um, public benefits from the site, uh, are on the next slide. 00:25:33,140 S6: Sorry I moved and you didn't. Um. 00:25:37,339 S9: It's going to enhance wireless communication services for residents, businesses and emergency. Emergency personnel will allow folks to call in the event of an emergency, uh, to more easily connect, particularly if they are outside and not near a landline. And as we've already talked about, over 75% of homes don't even have one anymore. Uh, improved public safety communications during emergencies and natural disasters. Um, they have bad battery backup, um, and tend to continue to run during emergencies when sometimes traditional landlines are out. Uh, the by providing for co-location, it's compliant with the zoning bylaw, but also provide additional capacity, um, for other carriers. So it reduces the need for additional towers throughout the town. Generates minimal traffic, is passive with no onsite employees, and provides no adverse environmental impacts, including noise, emissions or water usage. 00:26:31,819 S6: Okay. 00:26:35,579 S9: So we're talking about this is the one thing that wasn't actually in the, uh, in the, uh, the written materials. So this is just some new statistics based on the CTIa survey. And also that bottom statistics is actually quoted and cited in the in the package that I provided already, there are 579 million wireless subscriber connections as of 20 as the end of 2025. That is more than one per person. It's about 1.7 per person. So you know, someone has a phone and a wireless iPad with two connections right there. Uh, if you have a phone and a personal phone and a work phone. Those kinds of things. Wireless only households. Oh, Andrew sold the number. It's almost 79. It's almost 79% now, so we're up to 78.7%. That number keeps growing. And as I said, those are wireless only. Not just wireless, not just the wireless dominant household. That number everything is close to 90 when you include the wireless dominant annualised minutes of use is now 2.4 trillion. I've been doing this so long that that number used to be in the millions, um, annualized SMS and MMS messages, which are now tracked together because they tend to run together. Now there's 2.2 trillion. It's an increase of over 42 billion from just 2024. Um. 00:27:50,150 S6: Yeah. 00:27:51,190 S9: We've gone almost full circle where people text more than they call now. Um, and even with that, we're at 2.4 trillion minutes of minutes of use. Annualized wireless data usage is 132,000,000,000,000MB. 00:28:04,109 S9: That's your wireless streaming. That's, uh, you know, watching YouTube, that's using any of the apps that use data and E911. And this goes back to December 2024. This is what was quoted in the in the papers that I provided. Already, 76.4% of all E911 calls are now done wirelessly. 00:28:26,069 S1: Um, just out of curiosity, how is that $132 trillion number calculated? How does how did we even come up with that number? Do you have any idea? 00:28:36,549 S6: Um, so CTIa. 00:28:37,950 S9: Which is the cellular, uh, Telecommunications Industry Association, um, does a survey and so they track it. I mean, carriers have information on their own usage. Yeah. Um, and so my guess is there's somehow pulling from that or getting that data from the carriers aggregating it so no one gains a competitive advantage. And then they have that number. But it's, um, pretty reputable source to get it from. 00:29:07,640 S9: A little bit about the significant gap in coverage. So there's two coverage maps because there's two licenses that are being utilized as the 700MHz license and the 2100MHz license. Both are providing coverage for Verizon. Both are necessary. They have licenses for both. They utilize both, and they utilize both as part of their network planning. Um 700 by the laws of physics, not because of anything you can do. Equipment wise, carries further than the 2100MHz. So that's why there's a difference between the two. Um, and so the 2100MHz provides, provides an underlay, um, so it'll provide some coverage closer to the site, same within the same footprint of the 700. But we'll offload some of the data and voice traffic from the 700MHz, uh, spectrum that's reaching further. So they work together to provide both coverage and capacity, both of which are needed in this area. The gap includes one A, which includes approximately 14,223 vehicles per day. They get that number from MassDOT. MassDOT does those surveys also covers Walnut Road, Ashby Street and the surrounding roads, Hamilton, Wenham, MBTA station and the and the commuter rail as well. Um, surrounding neighborhoods, businesses and shopping malls. 00:30:25,920 S6: Okay. 00:30:27,160 S9: Um, the next slide. See the proposed coverage. See both. Fill in fairly well. Provide some connection from what's known at the. It's shown at the top there's Hamilton three kind of to the north east. That's the DPW site. Um, so then as you're coming down Bay road one A, you pass into this area that would then be covered by the proposed site. And if you're on the Verizon network, then you get handed off to these, uh, the one that's noted is when m 76 AGL, which is that church steeple in Wenham. And then as you continue down one, you continue to get hands off down the rest of the novel increases coverage for just over 1200 residents, 330 businesses and 670 structures provides the additional capacity by offloading from the Hamilton DPW site, the Ashbury Street and also the Wenham Church. And so the network all works together to provide coverage from both a coverage standpoint and capacity standpoint. Um, if the capacity issue being and this is a very, very old reference, um, if you used to if you remember when Ticketmaster only did things by phone and you would call and you just get that thing that said, you know, all circuits are busy now, that's capacity. Your phone or if you could make them, you could dial out. But where you were trying to call to didn't have the capacity to handle your call. Same thing. Um, only now it works with both calls and data. 00:31:52,250 S9: Um, I did a high level on the visibility. Um, we walked through the photo sims. If Marc has them loaded, there's 43 different viewpoints. Um, we provided them. I hope everybody has seen them. So, uh, in terms of the visibility analysis, again, it was done with the man lift. Uh, we did we did have to utilize the, uh, the rain dates. We were glad we included that as part of the, uh, as part of the notice, uh, it was performed in accordance with the bylaw. We met with you during the pre-application conference. We talked about some points of interest. We made sure to communicate those to the folks that were doing the test. They did take pictures from those locations. Um, and then as we talked about during the pre app conference, they also just kind of used their professional judgment to take pictures from where they think it was most appropriate. Um, they did that 43 times. Um, it's not visible from about 70% of those viewpoints. And then as you kind of typically as you got closer, the visibility increased either to fully visible, which is represented by those, those green dots. And then yellow represents ones where you when foliage is on the trees. And then you're just starting to come in, but not in full bloom yet. Um, you know, you might see it. You might not, depending on time of year, depending on what the foliage. 00:33:03,940 S8: Mhm. 00:33:06,579 S9: But then last. 00:33:12,299 S9: Just this summer obviously we're asking you to grant the relief. We wouldn't have applied for it if we didn't, didn't want you to grant it. 00:33:17,299 S8: The photo of mine has been loaded. I wish you the. 00:33:20,859 S9: Points. 00:33:22,579 S8: Provided, but I hope. 00:33:23,339 S9: Everybody. 00:33:23,740 S8: Has seen them. 00:33:24,500 S9: So, uh, in terms of the visibility analysis, again, it was done with the mandolin. 00:33:29,940 S8: Uh, we did we did have to utilize the the mandate included that as part of the, uh, the part of the notice, uh, performed in accordance with the bylaw. We met with the pre-application conference. We talked about some points of interest. We made sure to communicate to the folks that we did in the past, they get the information. Um, but as we talked about during the conference, they use their professional agenda to take these most appropriate. I think about 42 times. Yeah. 00:34:00,539 S11: Sorry about that. 00:34:02,579 S8: Good. Very good. 00:34:05,900 S9: It's such a good explanation. You got it twice. Um, as I said, we're requesting you grant the special permit and site plan review. Um, the proposed facility does provide coverage to the demonstrated significant gap in the Verizon network. Um, it is located on town owned property, which is authorized by town meeting vote. That's also consistent with the zoning bylaws preference for siting on municipal property. Um, and as demonstrated through the submissions and some of the further explanation tonight, the facility meets all the requirements of the requested relief under the zoning bylaw and site Plan review regulations. We're happy to take any questions. 00:34:43,380 S1: Do any planning Board members have any questions? 00:34:46,659 S2: I have one question. You mentioned there was routine maintenance like once or twice a month. Can you characterize what that maintenance might be. Just generally not. 00:34:55,510 S9: Sure. And it's honestly, it may even be less there. So the facilities are monitored remotely. And so if they're if there's anything that's not that that's out of spec, like they get a notification at the network operations center, they can send someone out for routine maintenance. They may just need to go out there to change a board. They might go out there to, you know, look at the equipment and make a change that they need to make. And we do it. If they need to do an update that requires being on site, they would do it. But the facilities are pretty much self-sufficient. 00:35:25,030 S4: And then second. 00:35:25,710 S2: Question related, it may say somewhere in the literature, but I don't remember. My apologies if it does. Is what is the tower physically made of? And what does its finish and the durability of its finish? 00:35:37,389 S9: Sure. Um. Tower steel? Yeah. Um, and it has a hot galvanized finish. Um, so. 00:35:45,190 S4: It. 00:35:45,750 S9: Starts out it doesn't start out glossy, but then it continues to weather over time and become even less. You can be more. More. 00:35:53,269 S2: Sort of a dull galvanized finish. Yeah, but not. 00:35:56,030 S9: From a industry standpoint. We tend to find that works the best when you know, in terms of yes, you get beautiful blue days and you also can get some pretty gray days, and if you try and paint it light blue, it tends to stand out on the gray days. The weathered finish, from my perspective, tends to be the the best one. Where I live, there's actually two towers right next to each other, one whether one's painted. And when I go that way, it's been that way a thousand times in the last 20 years. I don't notice them a whole lot anyway, but when I do, it's always the painted when I pick out. 00:36:27,750 S2: And what would be a typical life cycle for a tower made galvanized steel. 00:36:36,829 S9: I honestly don't know. I haven't heard one. Needing that just from a life cycle standpoint needs to be replaced around that. I don't know. I don't know if Peter knows. I don't know if the engineer knows, but it's it's not like a TV that's gotta, you know, if if you get seven years out of it. Great. Um, I mean, I've done towers. I started doing this in 2000 that are still up and haven't been swapped out. Thank you. 00:37:00,360 S1: Uh, I had a question in terms of, um, what, a wind tolerance. Uh, can they handle? So if there's a really strong hurricane like the hurricane of 38. Will this tower withstand that? Uh, those gale force winds? Uh, do you know what, uh, level of wind speed, uh, they can handle before their structure becomes, uh, imperiled and, uh, the, like, topple onto the roof of the public safety building. 00:37:30,480 S9: They're designed so that they don't do that. Um, but in terms of wind speeds, um, they are so part of the codes that I decided to dictate that. And part of it is done based on county. Um, and so there is a wind speed that they need to design to for the county that the facility is facility being located within um to make sure it's appropriate. And so I Peter, I don't know if you know the exact speed, but it's, it's if it is strong enough to take the tower down, it is strong enough to do material significant damage to structures that are not built to nearly the same spec. Um, as far as design requirements go, they are designed to, to flex. And if they were to and have a and to crumble, um, so that it should not have a catastrophic failure at the base and have a 100% lay down, nor should it be structured, detached from itself, which is fatal, right? Or just the flat. I don't know if you have anything else to add on that. 00:38:30,210 S8: This is one. 00:38:35,449 S8: Was that a question about, um, uh, feelings. 00:38:39,369 S9: Uh, wind design speed for the area if you know it? 00:38:43,130 S8: Um, maybe like, if you. You had it there. Technically, they don't fail. So you get all that. 00:38:55,250 S8: But 00:38:57,489 S8: if you do. It was crazy. Oh, I can't. 00:39:04,210 S7: I couldn't speak. Can you speak up? 00:39:06,130 S9: Yeah. You're you're you're falling off or breaking up. Peter. I'm not sure which cell tower. 00:39:14,289 S8: Yeah. 00:39:17,809 S7: Yes. 00:39:18,250 S9: Yeah. And then the question. The question was more about the the the wind speed to which the sights designed, if you know it. I know it's done for the specific to the county, but I didn't know the design speed for for Hamilton. 00:39:32,690 S8: Uh, he never has. 00:39:37,610 S8: The 00:39:39,809 S8: letter. But anyway. Good job. 00:39:49,260 S4: I think it's about 110 miles an hour. But yeah. 00:39:52,900 S8: 180 miles an hour. 00:39:55,420 S4: 1818. So what they do is take a design speed and then design the column to support that design speed. 00:40:06,139 S8: You know. 00:40:08,460 S4: I'm just guessing. 00:40:12,019 S4: You were talking about capacity earlier, and I'm curious the way it has grown, the way it's, you know, exponentially what is hitting that ultimate capacity. What does that look like? Um, on the pole. I'm just curious to you just constantly have to upgrade the the different components that you're installing on the show so far. 00:40:33,380 S9: Um, but the experience has been as, yes, they've they've changed out antennas, they've added other types of equipment that help with capacity and other and and Preventing loss and those kinds of things. But typically it has been, um, either if they, you know, the expectation is going to do well, maybe they start out with nine antennas and then just add that third antenna per sector, um, or they start swapping out antennas so that they do different things or, um, swap out all the antennas that they all do the same thing. That's always the carriers are changing their specs. 00:41:05,260 S4: So it's not a case of adding more poles at other locations. Is it. 00:41:09,139 S9: Not necessary? Yes and no. Not necessarily, but not I would never say no. Um, you know, capacity is a different animal. And so whether if it can be serviced by equipment changes at a site, that's obviously the easiest thing for them to do. They'll do that at some point. You may reach capacity beyond what the current technology allows, in which case you start looking for other solutions. But that may or may not be another tower. Uh, based on the nature of the capacity issue, it may be something different. It may you may be able to do a church steeple that wouldn't work to provide the broad coverage that's needed from this tower. But now that this tower exists and the tower of DPW exists and the steeple is already there, you're filling in something. And so you're looking. 00:41:53,710 S3: At so is the number of towers governed mostly by. 00:42:00,150 S3: Distance or density of use. In other words, if I have a mile spacing between the towers and I quadruple the density that it just means we add a little aerial, more aerials on top of the towers. Do we have to start adding towers? 00:42:13,789 S9: Again, it's going to depend on on the site. And I would say and I know people and admittedly we're proposing a town in general. What you're actually talking about is facilities, right. Not every facility necessarily needs to be attacked. Um, not all facilities are going to be the same, and not all capacity issues are going to be the same. So and filled the same. So, you know, a a one mile area in Hamilton, even if it experiences significant growth. Is a much different area than a block a mile radius in Boston. That's a significant growth rate. And so those two, how you solve those two problems could be vastly different. Uh, in Hamilton, it might be you're adding, you know, equipment to the site to handle it or upgrading radios to handle it because distance matters. 00:43:03,630 S3: You can only. 00:43:04,190 S9: Boston. You may need five sites because in a mile radius that experiences huge population growth in Boston, you may need a significant number of new sites to handle that. And so it's going to be reception. 00:43:16,070 S3: So, you know, effective reception drops off quite rapidly as you move away from the tower. 00:43:22,789 S9: Yes and no. Some of that is going to be topography and morphology interference. So right again, if you're in a particularly flat area in the middle of the desert in the Texas Panhandle, Um, then you might get a significantly different coverage footprint than you do here in Hamilton. Um, both because of vegetation, uh, structures in topography. And so it's it's a combination of everything. And also in this instance, trying to cover a specific area at a, at a particular density in terms of, uh, one, the number of cars that go up and down each day, including, you know, during the, the rush hours. Um, as well as, you know, commuter rail and those kinds of things. So those things are all looked at by folks who understand. I mean, I've been doing this for 26 years now. I understand a pretty good amount of RF engineering, but I'm not an RF engineer. I don't sit there and play with the modeling to make it work. 00:44:18,800 S12: So when you were saying that they could add equipment, um, I'm just looking at some of the pictures that show with the, um, whatever the man, the lift was up. And then you have simulations, those simulated pictures. Would there be significant difference in what they would look like. Like when you say you're adding equipment. How big is that? And is it going to change the density of what's on the top up there? 00:44:47,639 S9: Traditionally the antennas, some of them have gotten longer. They haven't gotten particularly significantly wider. And there's kind of a limit in terms of the width that you can kind of do. 00:44:59,599 S12: I'm just wondering, like if what we're seeing is. 00:45:02,800 S8: Some of it. 00:45:04,000 S9: Sometimes is additional equipment behind the antennas that you really can't see. Yeah. Um, especially 110ft up in the air and behind the antennas. Yeah, sometimes it's an additional radio. Yeah. 00:45:11,800 S7: I don't know if it was. 00:45:12,519 S12: Tiny or big. 00:45:13,559 S9: Sometimes it's just an additional radio communications equipment cabinet at the base that you can't see because it's behind the public safety. Right. Maybe a combination of both. Yeah. 00:45:22,679 S1: Did any, uh, members of the public here wish to ask any questions or make any comments? 00:45:29,760 S7: No. This is this is a stipulation. 00:45:31,880 S1: Is there anyone online? 00:45:32,969 S9: But I do know. 00:45:34,650 S7: That. 00:45:35,289 S3: This was. 00:45:35,650 S8: The. 00:45:35,730 S1: Balloon. 00:45:36,769 S7: And then this. 00:45:37,250 S8: Is a. 00:45:38,050 S7: Picture simulation. 00:45:39,329 S9: Of, I don't know, any questions or anything. 00:45:40,969 S7: To say. So what I was just wondering is like. 00:45:44,849 S3: If it is just the. 00:45:46,090 S8: Three of us. 00:45:48,449 S7: What do you mean three of those three? 00:45:50,329 S8: If you have photo sims, it took a while to load them this picture. 00:45:55,210 S1: Actually, uh, Mark, I think that given our next item agenda and also the minutes and our stop date. 00:46:03,130 S3: Here. 00:46:04,210 S1: That it might be advisable to, to continue. 00:46:08,329 S8: Yeah. 00:46:09,610 S1: Yeah. 00:46:10,170 S13: You're doing something to sell your house. 00:46:12,769 S7: Well, that's where the that's why I'm asking about them. 00:46:15,570 S1: Yeah. 00:46:17,409 S7: Oh if there's. 00:46:19,409 S1: So you can come to this. 00:46:23,130 S13: Visual. 00:46:23,730 S3: Absolutely. 00:46:25,329 S8: Number that 61 Union street South Hamilton Max. So I'm right downtown near uh, Saint Paul's Church. Oh, yeah. And just a couple of topics that get touched on just to say that they're true from experience. I take the MBTA quite often. It's a dead zone right there. You can barely order your tickets off to get on to the train. Um, it's that zone at my house you can't use. I mean, you can make a call occasionally, but it's pretty much non-existent. So, um, we have an elderly neighbor who had to make a 911 call recently. It did go through, but it's very tough to go where we are. So the coverage is definitely very poor. And last from just business use perspective. When I work from home, there is no coverage in the downtown area. I think those are all valid reasons, and I think locating it on property makes a lot of sense because obviously the revenue goes back to the town. So in that perspective, uh, very much encourage you to accept this, you know, this application. And then the last piece, I know the town has equipment on a small tower Jason. If that plan is to relocate, potentially I would look at the infrastructure that you want to relocate. With that, do you need ground equipments? Uh, do you need power? You need conduits installed. Because integrating that design is what you're doing, what. 00:47:44,619 S7: It's going to be destroyed. It's going to be demolished. The lattice tower. 00:47:48,860 S8: Yeah. We're relocating. So, you know, whatever infrastructure you need is part of that. Uh, you know, agreement would make a lot of sense to do it. 00:47:56,619 S7: So thanks for your answer. 00:47:58,099 S1: You did our peer review. I have a comment or two. 00:48:01,739 S8: Mike, can. 00:48:02,139 S14: You hear us? 00:48:04,420 S8: I can hear some people, but not at all. Uh, I'm sorry to hear that. Okay. We keep hearing. Hello. Speaking. Uh, I think that's the way I see it. 00:48:23,860 S7: That's. Marty. 00:48:24,699 S1: That's me. 00:48:26,059 S8: Planning board chair. 00:48:27,099 S7: The chair. 00:48:28,260 S1: What I said, Mr. Lawler, is that we are going to continue the hearings on the special permit application and the site plan review application so you can submit your formal report and review it with the applicant. And then on June 2nd, we will reconvene and address any outstanding issues that you may have. Did you hear that? Does that make sense? 00:49:01,500 S8: That sounds good. 00:49:02,380 S14: Did you have anything you wanted to add based on the presentation or anything? 00:49:07,940 S8: Um, no. At this point, uh, I'm going to incorporate anything I want you. Right. I wanted to ask you. Um, I will report it. Um, I ask a few questions. And ask questions provides two Awesome question. Um, you're still, uh. 00:49:31,630 S8: Uh, okay. Uh oh, no question for that. Uh, in general. Um, I think you might be comfortable with the information that I have to gauge or to. 00:49:48,670 S3: Show me that picture again. 00:49:50,269 S8: So y'all can review it and, uh, move forward. 00:49:55,070 S7: That's the thing about. 00:49:57,309 S8: The continuation of history. 00:49:59,230 S1: Right? And so I know that you did have some questions and the applicant provided responses. So my question was whether you were satisfied with the response that you got. And so we can delve into those issues at the next year. 00:50:15,110 S7: Mark. Um, were the pictures sent down to the peer reviewer? Yes. The photos that were taken. 00:50:22,869 S14: They're all based on the. 00:50:24,550 S3: We wanted. 00:50:24,989 S14: To be the reason they did. 00:50:26,309 S7: They were all based on what? 00:50:27,510 S14: That demonstration that they did. So we didn't get those until Thursday. 00:50:31,670 S7: So no, I was just making sure because I think Bill had a simulated photograph. 00:50:36,670 S3: There's one crossmember I gather in this tower. There's going to be three cross members, one for each provider. Is that how it sort of works? 00:50:46,110 S7: So in the simulation. 00:50:48,909 S8: That was actually the idea that, you know, maybe it's better to get that out. Um, do you have that application address with the tower to. 00:51:04,389 S8: Be located? 00:51:05,110 S3: Yes. That's the that's the big picture. 00:51:07,429 S8: I'm sure that there might be two more. Yeah, yeah. 00:51:12,230 S7: That is what I was asking. 00:51:13,269 S8: So if it's okay, um, those simulations that you are looking for, that you should, at least as an option. Um, incorporate all three characters. Yeah. See? What's the. 00:51:31,000 S7: Panic? 00:51:31,960 S8: Yeah, because the second and third character does not have the keyboard. Uh, is that location is great because the characters would be happy. Uh, it's called quest. 00:51:46,000 S13: Right? 00:51:46,480 S8: Um, and. 00:51:49,639 S7: So they would not have to come back. Got it. Okay. So good to know. Thank you. Good to know. 00:51:56,159 S1: Um, so because of our time constraints, I think I'll entertain a motion to continue both the site plan. 00:52:03,960 S7: Uh, special. 00:52:04,840 S1: Review application and the special permit application to June 2nd at 7:00 and will reconvene. 00:52:13,960 S13: Here. 00:52:15,559 S7: Where's our meeting? Do we know. 00:52:17,199 S13: Uh. 00:52:18,239 S14: Uh, they're Proposing to postpone the meeting will continue the application to June 2nd. Um, so I know it's kind of a tight timeline, but if you could get your report in ideally by Friday or Monday, it gives everyone at least a week to kind of respond to it. 00:52:49,320 S9: I don't think. 00:52:50,880 S7: He couldn't hear you. 00:52:51,719 S9: I don't think he heard you. 00:52:52,719 S14: Mike, are you hearing me? 00:52:55,559 S7: Do you want me to speak for you? Can you hear me? No, I can't hear anything. Oh, really? Mm. 00:53:02,920 S8: I'm not sure if you can hear me. We can't. 00:53:05,400 S7: Yeah. We are trying to talk to you. 00:53:07,840 S9: Well, Mike said he could hear me. Mike, can you hear me? 00:53:11,239 S8: I can. 00:53:11,599 S9: Hear you. Okay. Apparently. Great. Great. Um. 00:53:16,800 S9: Probably some loud enough to not. You don't need the microphone or zoom. Um, so what they're talking about is two things. One is continuing the public hearing from tonight to, uh, June 2nd at seven. Um, if that meets with your availability. And then what Mark? What Mark had asked is if it was possible to have a report by. 00:53:38,849 S14: Either this Friday or Monday to give Everett some time to respond to it? 00:53:44,610 S9: Absolutely, yes. Um, and then I'll just say, if, you know, you might have a couple additional questions, uh, you know, certainly obviously you're happy to have them filtered through. Mark, if it made more sense and is faster. We could certainly set up a call with our RF engineer. And you guys can talk directly, uh, when you get the answers, you need to turn that report around. 00:54:03,690 S8: So good. 00:54:04,329 S11: Thanks. 00:54:05,610 S8: Yes. No problem. 00:54:07,449 S1: Excellent. 00:54:08,530 S14: This one's going to be in person next time, so they won't have this awkward discussion. 00:54:12,929 S8: Yes, absolutely. Um, especially after the audience. 00:54:18,409 S1: You couldn't have made a better case. 00:54:20,369 S7: You don't normally meet here. 00:54:21,730 S2: So what one other question would be? Would that timing? Would you have enough time to put your responses in? So the planning board gets the responses several days rather than several hours before the meeting? 00:54:35,489 S14: So by Friday next week. 00:54:39,289 S9: Um, I mean, if we ever yeah, if we have a report by by Monday, I would expect we could turn something around by Friday. 00:54:44,809 S11: Okay. Thank you guys. 00:54:47,050 S7: Okay, so I make a motion. 00:54:49,849 S13: To. 00:54:50,409 S7: Postpone. 00:54:51,210 S13: How are we doing? 00:54:51,969 S7: Continue the, um, the hearing until June 2nd at 7 p.m. for both the site plan review and the special permit. 00:55:02,489 S1: So, will we be here with the library? 00:55:05,329 S14: Oh, we build the library. Thank god. 00:55:07,489 S7: Second. 00:55:08,650 S1: Okay, so, uh, when I call your name, would you please indicate your assent? Jonathan. 00:55:13,170 S2: Poor, Jonathan Poor eye. 00:55:14,940 S1: Bill Weedon. 00:55:15,940 S3: Bill Nye. 00:55:16,900 S4: Arnold Emil Dahlquist, II. 00:55:18,940 S1: Beth. 00:55:19,219 S7: Her I. 00:55:20,179 S1: Darcy. Dale. 00:55:20,940 S7: Darcy. 00:55:21,300 S13: Dale I. 00:55:22,019 S1: Matt Hamill. 00:55:23,019 S14: Had. 00:55:23,860 S1: A mighty crutch I. 00:55:27,900 S9: Thank you very much. 00:55:28,539 S13: Thank you. 00:55:29,260 S9: Thank you, thank you. 00:55:31,659 S14: Thanks. 00:55:36,260 S13: Okay. 00:55:37,780 S1: We'll take the approval of the minutes last. So let's turn to, um, the decision that was that Mike circulated this morning. Uh, with respect to the special permit application for, um, is it 136, one hour? 00:55:57,739 S13: 17176. 00:55:59,500 S1: Oh, I see a typo. 00:56:03,300 S13: You can never, ever. 00:56:07,260 S1: So, uh, there's one correction already that needs to be made. It's very minor. Um, so has everyone had an opportunity to review the decision? And if not, I can, um, afford everyone a few minutes to go through it. 00:56:28,349 S1: And I will add that, uh, I, uh, drafted the decision, and I. 00:56:36,789 S1: Ran it by Robin Stein, and she did have, uh, several, um, comments. And I incorporated, um, I'd say 85% of her comments. I did not include everyone. I added a little more, uh, verbiage to help explain the rationale for the decision, but, um, uh, if if the planning board members would like to discuss it, uh, I am happy to do that. Or we can, uh, at 8:04 p.m., proceed to a vote. And if you go to the last page. Um, uh, we do need to record our votes. So if I'm with respect to two questions. So, um, I throw it open. Does anyone have any questions or comments about the decision, or have they found any typographical errors that might have to be addressed? 00:58:04,590 S4: I don't know if you want to explain the, uh, the two decisions that we have to render. 00:58:08,880 S7: The other two questions. 00:58:10,519 S13: Yes. 00:58:11,639 S4: Because they it you know, the bylaw is pretty plain language, but I think number one is, is a little bit legalese. I mean, do you want to review what the decision. 00:58:25,440 S13: Well. 00:58:26,519 S1: The decision essentially looked at the plain language of the bylaw. 00:58:31,159 S13: Yeah. 00:58:31,480 S1: And, uh, it it also addressed the purpose of 9.8 the town center code, but more specifically, the purposes of 9.8.4 with respect to nonconformity. So looking at the very plain language of the code, uh, and looking at nonconforming, um. 00:59:05,440 S1: Uh, All structures at 9.8.1.4. 00:59:13,280 S1: Roman numeral four. Modification. Alterations of all other structures. 00:59:19,679 S13: Right. 00:59:20,199 S1: So that's excluding single family and two family structures. Uh, subparagraph B provides that modifications, um, shall not be permitted if nonconformity is renamed. And in the instance, uh, of 176 Willow with a proposed garage and gym, nonconformity will remain and um. 00:59:50,679 S3: Nonconformity will actually get a little worse. 00:59:53,400 S1: Right. And so. 00:59:54,920 S3: However. 00:59:55,719 S10: There's that old adage. 00:59:57,199 S3: The detriment to the neighborhood. 00:59:58,719 S13: Right. 00:59:59,239 S1: But it only permits that finding for a A modification, an alteration, or an extension. It does not permit the finding for a demolition and a reconstruction. So this provision excludes reconstruction. So there is no avenue that the applicant could obtain in this bylaw. Because the other provision that pertains here is with respect to a voluntary demolition, the the rebuilding has to comply with the with the provisions of the bylaw in tables one and two and the other site standards. So if the applicants were to say we want to demolish the building and reconstruct it in the way they propose, their only remedy would be to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals for a variance. They cannot obtain a special permit under the language of. 01:01:06,809 S7: Our current Bible, 01:01:09,809 S7: but they would have the ability to go to the CBN, right? If they choose to go that out. 01:01:15,849 S3: Or of course, they can move the building a little bit this way or that way. 01:01:19,570 S13: But to. 01:01:20,170 S3: Observe. 01:01:21,010 S13: And to. 01:01:22,369 S7: See. 01:01:22,610 S3: That it doesn't seem to be any interest in doing that. 01:01:28,570 S4: So denial is the only result because the special permit is not available. So we're precluded from rendering or making a special permit. 01:01:36,849 S1: We are precluded from making the finding. It's. And in fact, when I you know, when I drafted I just missed the application. But Robin and her wisdom said deny it. But I thought actually it didn't. The predicate wasn't there, so I thought just dismissing it was applicable, but that that might be too legalize but for for and. 01:02:04,780 S4: And the other thing is the question for Mark. Uh, I guess, uh, since the special permit is not on the table here, what is the what is the, uh. Is it a majority vote or is it a is it. 01:02:20,860 S13: Has. 01:02:21,139 S1: To be five out of seven. 01:02:22,699 S4: Five out of seven. 01:02:23,860 S1: I asked Robin that question. 01:02:25,380 S13: Okay. 01:02:25,820 S4: So so we whether it's a denial or approval, which we can't do anyway. But, uh. 01:02:31,179 S15: There's no mechanism for approving. 01:02:32,820 S13: It. 01:02:33,219 S1: There's no mechanism for approval. If we didn't have five votes to deny it, it would be denied anyway. So but we might as well. 01:02:42,300 S13: Go ahead because we. 01:02:43,739 S7: Still will vote on it. But we're still. 01:02:45,380 S13: Voting to deny it. 01:02:47,059 S1: Right. 01:02:47,539 S13: So, um. 01:02:49,219 S1: Uh, I don't know in this instance whether we need a motion. So I think we should just go around to the voting members. Well, actually, I think I do need a motion. 01:03:01,380 S7: So what do you want? The motion for question one. 01:03:04,179 S1: A motion per question. So the first motion would be, uh, I, you know, I'll entertain a motion to deny the special permit for the, uh, uh, 9176 Willow Street, the proposed, um, garage and gym. 01:03:24,739 S15: So moved. 01:03:26,179 S13: And. 01:03:26,619 S1: And do I have a. 01:03:27,500 S13: Second? 01:03:27,860 S2: Second. 01:03:28,699 S13: I was going to say one. 01:03:31,340 S1: So when I call your name, uh, indicate whether, uh, you vote to deny the special permit. ML. Dahlquist. 01:03:40,340 S4: ML. Dahlquist. Um, I approve the denial a couple times. 01:03:47,179 S7: Yeah, I. 01:03:48,659 S3: That's I. 01:03:50,659 S7: I. 01:03:51,059 S13: Yeah. 01:03:52,139 S1: Bill Wheaton. 01:03:55,019 S3: You're telling me I really have to vote? 01:03:56,539 S15: I You could abstain, I could. 01:03:58,710 S3: Abstain, but I'll vote aye. 01:04:03,510 S13: Aye. 01:04:04,630 S1: Aye. Jonathan. 01:04:05,469 S2: Poor Jonathan, poor I Darcy. 01:04:08,949 S1: Dale. 01:04:09,269 S7: Darcy Dale I. 01:04:11,269 S1: Beth her. 01:04:12,030 S7: I. 01:04:13,829 S1: Am Matt Hamill. 01:04:17,590 S1: And now I will and Marnie Crouch I and now I will entertain a motion to approve the decision. 01:04:27,190 S7: I make a motion to approve the decision as written. 01:04:30,510 S1: Do I have a second. 01:04:31,789 S13: Second. 01:04:33,349 S1: Uh, so Amy Dahlquist. 01:04:35,389 S4: Hi. 01:04:37,070 S1: William Wheaton. 01:04:38,389 S3: Well, we know Jonathan. 01:04:40,550 S2: Poor Jonathan, poor I. 01:04:43,309 S1: Uh, Darcy. 01:04:43,949 S13: Dale. 01:04:44,190 S15: Darcy Dale I. 01:04:45,510 S1: Beth. 01:04:45,750 S7: Her I. 01:04:47,389 S1: Matt Hamill. 01:04:48,269 S8: Hi. 01:04:49,309 S1: Imani crouch hi. Okay. So Mark, what I'll do is I will make that minor correction to the caption, or 136 was listed instead of 176. And um, and then I will fill in the votes and transmit that to you tomorrow morning. 01:05:12,150 S13: Okay. And, uh. 01:05:14,670 S1: I think we should probably put a date on this as well. I'll add a date. Um. 01:05:23,190 S1: Uh, of today's date, May 19th. 01:05:27,510 S11: Later. Yeah. 01:05:34,869 S13: Okay. 01:05:43,670 S13: Yeah. 01:05:44,110 S1: So. So if if anybody reads this over and sees a non substantive typographical error, that's a. 01:05:53,070 S15: Oh. Are we on the minutes now? 01:05:54,440 S13: No, no. 01:05:55,599 S1: I'm just saying if we've we've approved the decision. But if you by any chance just see anything. Spacing or something like that. Um. Uh, I'm sure that's I can make that change and I will record the vote, so. Okay. So we can move on to the minutes. 01:06:16,960 S1: Uh, any any discussion about the minutes? 01:06:19,440 S15: I noticed that, um, it said call to order with a quorum present. Dahlquist called the planning board meeting to order at 703. But I think you called a meeting to order. 01:06:28,079 S1: So I think that that I found. 01:06:31,599 S13: Uh. 01:06:32,000 S4: Yeah, there are a couple. 01:06:32,679 S13: Bears. 01:06:33,199 S1: There's a lot of errors in here. And so, Mark, I think that the simplest thing is if you could forward me the word document for these minutes, I'll make the corrections and we can. 01:06:44,920 S7: Apply it to tell you what we found. 01:06:46,679 S1: Oh, sure. Yeah. But what what happened was I took the minute I, I took the, um. I took the vote for the officers out of order. And then we skipped to the special permit application for 176 Willow. Then we went back 01:07:04,960 S1: to. And so. So I think that if I set it up differently and say that I took things out of order, then we can say Amy left the meeting and it will all be more clear. But if you have any other issues, uh, you can tell me what they are. 01:07:20,880 S15: Yeah. That's as far as I got. I was busy. 01:07:22,920 S13: Today. Yeah. 01:07:24,239 S7: I'm just in on the second two. I just had two things. Uh, second paragraph, which says seven members elected to serve with one, 2 or 3 year seats. We don't have any one year terms on the planning board. 01:07:36,280 S1: Oh, that's true. I think those have been in the minutes now for like a long time. 01:07:40,480 S7: Well, I'm just pointing that out. 01:07:42,920 S13: But then two three years. 01:07:46,320 S7: But. 01:07:46,880 S13: Well. 01:07:47,480 S7: No, no. 01:07:48,920 S13: Actually. 01:07:49,320 S1: Probably. 01:07:49,730 S13: Correct. 01:07:50,250 S1: Because. 01:07:50,769 S13: It's. 01:07:51,289 S1: Three year terms. 01:07:52,329 S13: But yeah, they are. 01:07:53,769 S1: The everybody doesn't get elected at the same time. 01:07:58,090 S13: Right? 01:07:58,369 S7: No. It says, um, a three year term with one, 2 or 3 seats up for each election. So we either have two people being elected or three people. So you and Jonathan and an email. Bill and I were one year and then you it's either 3 or 2. There's no years that we only have one person, one person elected. Just trust me on that. 01:08:20,569 S13: Yeah. If you if. 01:08:22,770 S7: You look at the date, if you look at the year's email. Bill and I are 28. Yeah. Matt. And you are 29. 01:08:30,250 S13: Right. 01:08:31,130 S7: You got it. Okay. So if that shouldn't be in there and then that was just my auditor. 01:08:36,329 S13: And so. 01:08:37,210 S1: With why. So we. 01:08:38,689 S13: Take. 01:08:38,930 S7: Yeah. Just take out the one. That's all you need to do. And then under um other business under three it said under be it said chair Crouch briefly decided changes. I think. 01:08:51,729 S13: It should be discussed. 01:08:53,409 S7: Under, uh, item number three. You might already have it changed be. 01:09:00,250 S1: Oh, yeah, I. 01:09:00,770 S13: Did. 01:09:01,010 S1: Okay. 01:09:01,329 S13: I thought. 01:09:01,649 S7: That that was the only other thing I thought. 01:09:03,170 S13: Okay. 01:09:08,050 S1: Yeah. So we'll postpone consideration. 01:09:10,090 S13: Do you have anything? 01:09:11,250 S15: No, I really haven't spent any. 01:09:12,890 S1: So do you mind doing that? Sending me the word document. 01:09:15,890 S13: Okay. 01:09:17,369 S15: Great. 01:09:17,770 S1: So then, uh, at our next meeting, if you recall, we now have a meeting next week on May 26th, and, uh, we're meeting here, am I correct? 01:09:29,850 S14: Well, it's supposed to be here, but, um, I don't love this venue, so. 01:09:32,770 S13: No, I don't read this. 01:09:34,210 S2: I second that. 01:09:35,210 S8: Yeah. 01:09:37,250 S1: I mean, we're better off in the council on. 01:09:39,649 S15: Yeah, yeah. 01:09:40,210 S13: So at. 01:09:40,609 S1: Least we can hear. 01:09:41,529 S13: It. 01:09:41,890 S11: Yeah. 01:09:43,050 S1: Yeah. The acoustics here are terrible, and I apologize. My voice doesn't. 01:09:46,819 S13: Carry. 01:09:47,140 S2: I couldn't even hear anymore. 01:09:49,220 S1: You couldn't. 01:09:49,699 S13: Hear anymore? 01:09:50,140 S11: No. 01:09:51,340 S2: No. Because my. I'm closest to the white noise. If we do this again, I would push the tables that way. 01:09:56,659 S13: Now we're on the Council on Aging. 01:10:01,020 S1: And we have to pay for this anyway. 01:10:02,779 S11: We have to pay? Yes. 01:10:04,020 S1: I mean, the irony. 01:10:05,180 S2: I wouldn't pay. 01:10:05,659 S13: Anything. I would want. 01:10:06,859 S14: To. 01:10:06,979 S2: Refund. 01:10:07,460 S13: It. We had the most restrictions of anything. No, but. 01:10:10,340 S1: Everest couldn't have asked for a better, uh, exhibit of of why we need expanded cell coverage. 01:10:18,739 S13: Exactly. 01:10:19,619 S7: Yeah. There's no cell. 01:10:21,100 S3: So there is a meeting on the 26th. 01:10:22,939 S13: Yeah. 01:10:23,819 S14: Just for the. It'll be the first UTL presentation with the new town center code. Um. No application. So let's just do that. Um, I have a meeting with them tomorrow, so I hope to get some materials I can distribute before that meeting on Tuesday. Um, and then they're going to be coming back for one other meeting, which we were thinking, uh, July or June 16th. We did do that. 01:10:46,619 S7: Which is already on the calendar, correct? 01:10:48,739 S11: We don't have. 01:10:49,220 S14: To have an extra meeting. 01:10:50,939 S13: I love. 01:10:51,260 S1: That. And how about a grant application? How's that coming along? 01:10:55,779 S11: It's coming. 01:10:56,939 S1: But isn't the deadline June 3rd? 01:11:00,220 S14: So I was thinking we could discuss it in depth next week. 01:11:06,699 S11: And then. 01:11:07,779 S14: If it's not, for whatever reason done by that date. 01:11:10,460 S13: We. 01:11:10,739 S1: Still have to. 01:11:11,420 S14: Have one. 01:11:12,300 S11: Second. 01:11:12,859 S1: Yeah. And I think. 01:11:13,739 S13: That if the. 01:11:14,739 S1: Peer reviewer and the applicant get together, I think this cell tower business can be resolved pretty readily. I don't see any real impediment to that. Um. Did you I hate to bring this up. It's not actually on the agenda, but the HDC does require an application for the $5,000. They have agreed to contribute to the planning grant. Have you applied for that? 01:11:44,989 S14: No. You didn't mention that to me, but I will. 01:11:47,909 S1: I did mention it to you, right? 01:11:50,510 S14: Well, I talked to Rick. Um, you were at that meeting. 01:11:55,029 S1: I was at that meeting, and they said. And it was suggested that the town had not us, the planning board, but the town had to apply to the HDC for the $5,000. So I can text Rick and tell and ask him very politely to please walk you through that process. 01:12:15,949 S14: Well, I went to that meeting too, but it was the unfortunate. It was the morning that local accident happened to the state trooper. 01:12:24,989 S14: So I made it at the very end of the meeting. 01:12:26,550 S13: Thank you. 01:12:26,829 S14: I have your back, right? 01:12:29,510 S1: Oh, yeah. 01:12:31,710 S13: Uh, yes. 01:12:34,430 S7: Okay. 01:12:38,310 S14: So There's. Well, we'll discuss the grant application on next week. Tuesday. Hopefully it won't be too long. Nothing besides the util. And this one. 01:12:51,909 S4: Yeah. Could I just ask whenever you get the material? Hopefully it's this week sometime. Could you just forward it to us, you know, in advance, with plenty of time? Sure. So we can, you know, kind of go over it before the meeting. So rather than walk in and just look at. 01:13:06,630 S13: What they have. 01:13:07,590 S7: Yeah. 01:13:08,109 S13: Thanks. 01:13:08,989 S1: Okay. We have. 01:13:10,109 S13: One last. 01:13:10,949 S1: Thing to do. 01:13:12,590 S15: Oh. Shall I make a motion to adjourn? 01:13:15,310 S13: Yes. 01:13:16,229 S15: I need a second. 01:13:17,109 S13: Oh, second. 01:13:17,949 S1: Favor say. 01:13:18,670 S13: Aye. Aye. 01:13:19,149 S7: Oh, aye. We can do that. 01:13:20,350 S13: Aye. And let's. No, let's know. 01:13:23,029 S1: That this is a. 01:13:24,270 S13: First. 01:13:25,590 S1: We are actually ending this meeting at 820. 01:13:31,229 S13: The entire. 01:13:32,430 S1: Time I have been on this planning. 01:13:34,310 S13: Board. 01:13:34,829 S1: We have never left the meeting. 01:13:37,949 S13: Well, that's because we have.