00:00:01,080 S1: I'd like to open the meeting. Regularly scheduled meeting of the Town Planning Board. It's Wednesday, April 8th, 2026. We are back in Wenham Town Hall. So exciting! Um, we are also on zoom. And David Anderson, one of the members, joining us on zoom. Um, we also have some other attendees on zoom, and we will announce them at the point in which they want to speak. Um, the meeting is being recorded, and the first item on our agenda is a public hearing. Um, on the on some amendments to the planning Board. Rules and regulations. Do do you want to read the legal notice? Do you want me to read it in? Um, and then I can explain what the change is. And. 00:00:56,439 S1: You notice Uh, I can read it. Okay. Go on. Do you have it? I had the right in front of the Greek. Um, so the legal notice was posted. And when? News on Friday, March 20th, 2026 and Friday, March 27th, 2026, uh, notice is provided that when a planning board will conduct a hearing pursuant to Mass General law, chapter 41, section 81 Q on proposed amendments to the Planning Board Rules and regulations. Um or the hearing is being held on Wednesday, April 8th at 7 p.m. in one of Town Hall at 138 Main Street, 1 a.m. the hearing is a hybrid meeting. Uh, as you can see, and as I've announced, well, it is being held in person and virtually via zoom. The link to the zoom meeting is available on the planning board's agenda, which is found on the town's calendar of upcoming events at WW. When a 48 hours prior to the public hearing, at which time all interested persons may appear and be heard. So the hearing is to amend the Planning Board rules and regulations to remove language under section six, which is entitled information to be furnished to the board, and add instead an appendix A when in construction and post construction. Stormwater management rules and regulations. These amendments are being made in order to comply with the requirements of the town's General Permit for stormwater discharges from the municipal separate storm system, otherwise known as the NMS for permit, which is issued by EPA in April 2016 and became effective on July 1st, 2018. Copy of the full text of the proposed amendment is on file at the office of the Town Clerk at the Town Hall. Complete text of the proposed amendment also can be downloaded by visiting the website. Um, so what we're going to do is hold a public hearing to hear from anyone interested before adopting detailed regulations regarding construction and post construction. Stormwater management. The regulations are part of the requirements to maintain compliance with our RMS for permit, which in turn is required under federal Clean Water Act for certain municipalities. Because the town of Wenham also includes and is located in the watershed floor and in proximity to sensitive and impaired waters. We have enhanced stormwater management and compliance obligations. Um, the purpose of the regulations is to maintain, protect, enhance public health, safety, environment and general welfare by establishing minimum requirements and procedures to control the adverse effects of soil erosion and sedimentation, construction post development, stormwater runoff decrease, groundwater recharge and non-point source pollution associated with new development, redevelopment and other land alterations, as is more specifically address separately in the town's construction and post construction stormwater management bylaw. Miss for permitting is required so that Wenham and Development and Wenham can discharge stormwater runoff under the control of US EPA's National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System, fondly known as NYPD's. Under that permanent and permitting system and the regulations, a discharge is permitted so long as pollution into our waterways is controlled and minimized. Um, I'm not going to read this whole thing, but I just will say that the Planning Board's responsibility under the Mis four framework is to ensure that any construction projects that disturb more than an acre of land do not contribute pollutants into the stormwater system during construction and minimize them post construction. Um, at the April 2025 town meeting, just to remind everybody, we amended the general bylaws by naming our chapter 210. Stormwater Management Bylaw two. We renamed it to call it Illicit Discharge Bylaw, which regulates and prohibits an improper discharge of water into the stormwater system. And we added a new section, chapter 2011 to 11, sorry, entitled Construction and Post Construction Stormwater management. 00:05:12,360 S1: Same requirements. The adoption of the new bylaw gives the Planning Board the authority to adopt regulations that developers and builders must follow when their development disturbs more than an acre of land. So all of that having been said, um, I'm not going to go any further, but to introduce Tim and I'm going to butcher your name, as I'm sure many people do. I'm sorry about that. I think it's to Guglielmo from Weston and Samson who can maybe say a little bit more about what's in these regulations and answer technical questions. Tim, you are on zoom. Yes. 00:05:49,240 S2: Um, can everyone hear me? Yeah. Yep. Um, yeah. So, um, like you said, this is a, um, this is kind of the general permit through EPA, and one of their, one of the parts of that permit was to develop these construction and post construction regulations. And, um, a lot of the stuff you had something similar, probably in your planning in Hong Kong, but this kind of encapsulates that, and they have a little more strict stuff for the stuff that's going to disturb over the acre. Um, you know, which is your larger, most likely subdivisions and commercial, you know, type developments if they're going to get at that that big when they're actually it's not just naked a lot. It's when they disturb the disturb that area of an acre. So, um, and so this just kind of sets up the, a permit that they would have to submit to you to the planning board and for you guys to review and approve, um, provided they meet all the, the requirements, um, in there. So a lot of it has to do with the post construction stuff, which is, you know, making sure they, they have enough BMPs in their stormwater system to remove, you know, total suspended solids and some phosphorus and stuff like that. So, you know, your your sedimentation ponds and stuff. You've probably seen already, you know, in some of these larger elements. So. 00:07:03,550 S1: Any questions from the board for Tim. 00:07:08,870 S1: Any questions from folks either online or in the room for Tim. 00:07:15,310 S1: Do you want. 00:07:15,709 S3: To read through the regulation real quick? 00:07:18,069 S1: Yeah, I'm not going to read them, but I haven't looked at them. Here we go through them, but I'm not going to read through them. 00:07:26,310 S3: Crafted with the help of the EPA. 00:07:28,350 S1: Right. And it is it is true to the EPA specifications. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well. 00:07:39,509 S1: The only thing I would ask is, does it say anything about, um, uh, Minimizing water use in development. In landscape designs. In order to to minimize. Or is it? Is this really about runoff? Only about runoff and not about landscape design that minimizes runoff? In other words, it is the engineering work that you do to minimize the problem. Or is is it also about the design work that you do? 00:08:12,779 S2: It's really related to the M is for kind of covers the the stormwater system, I guess in the municipal stormwater system. So anything that kind of would go into that, that system. So um, not as much they are required to at least evaluate low impact development, which could maybe have some, some similar, um, type stuff, um, you know. 00:08:33,980 S1: Limiting impervious surfaces and different kinds of vegetation that do a good job at capturing. 00:08:40,539 S3: Is, uh, section I here. Section D talks about low impact. Right. 00:08:44,539 S2: Yeah. So they're required to evaluate at. 00:08:47,139 S1: Least I'm sure people have. 00:08:49,460 S2: At least give reasoning why they can't can't make some of these low impact development, um, into the, you know, into the design, you know, techniques into design. 00:08:57,340 S1: So okay. Great. 00:09:02,379 S1: If there are no other questions from anyone, you can move to close the public hearing. 00:09:14,139 S1: I have a motion to close the public hearing. 00:09:16,419 S4: I'll make a motion to close the public hearing second. 00:09:20,740 S1: All in favor? All right. All right. Dan, I mean. David. Sorry. Okay. Uh, and then I would move to adopt the Wenham construction and post construction stormwater management rules and regulations to be part of the Planning Board administrative rules and regulations as presented. Second. 00:09:43,129 S1: All in favor? 00:09:44,769 S4: Hi. Yeah, hi. 00:09:47,730 S1: I am Asli. I am one. Thank you. We are now in compliance with the Federal Clean Water Act, which I love. Um. 00:10:02,570 S1: Second item on the agenda for the papers. Um, we had the start of the public hearing about the Select energy, uh, site plan approval and special permit in March, and they've asked for a continuance to the next available meeting date. What is happening there? Can you tell us what they. 00:10:26,690 S3: Asked to be continued to the May meeting date? 00:10:29,649 S1: Is it just that they're not? 00:10:32,129 S3: Um, so there was some technical items that came up in their most recent, um, review of the plan? Yeah. I think it was. Um. Sorry. Um, the location of the the lines and where they're going to go from the property out to Grapevine Road. They're still not positive about that. So they need a little more time to figure that out. And they wanted to send in revised plans, but they wouldn't have gotten you to like this the other day and said that was going to some. Um, they they agreed they wanted to do a continuance. 00:11:07,919 S1: There was another there was a draft report to that came in from National Grid before the last meeting. And. Well, we have the final. 00:11:15,000 S3: Uh, they they didn't mention that, but we will we'll make sure. Yeah, they know from the last meeting what they need to do. 00:11:23,799 S1: Yeah. If you just remind them about that one night. There's some things in there that I wasn't that gives you that. So then we have an administrative agenda. 00:11:33,679 S3: I think you just need to vote to continue that hearing. Oh, yeah. 00:11:37,909 S1: Thank you. I need a motion to continue the hearing. 00:11:40,549 S4: We'll make a motion to continue to hear into the next available, which. 00:11:44,590 S3: Would be. 00:11:45,350 S1: Your way. 00:11:46,990 S3: Did you get my calendar? I think it's. 00:11:52,309 S3: April. May 13th. May 15th. Yep. May. 00:11:56,429 S4: Wednesday, May 13th. 00:11:57,990 S1: Second. It's all in favor. Aye, aye. All right. David? Yes. Can we have an administrative agenda? There are folks here in the room. Can you tell me which item you're here for? Because I want to move things around. 00:12:17,110 S5: Uh, Captain Forbes, the proposal at 62. 00:12:20,549 S1: Okay, that's our third item. So with everybody on the board feel comfortable if we move that up. 00:12:25,549 S5: Well, I'm from Hancock. I'm here to present the an r. 00:12:28,830 S1: O the A and R plan. Okay. Sorry about that. I didn't see. 00:12:32,950 S3: Um, and that's in front of. 00:12:34,389 S1: That's in front. So why don't we take you? And then we'll go to cabin cabin reforms, and then we can have conversations about here. All right. 00:12:47,029 S5: I know you got a copy of this, and I brought a public version. 00:12:53,710 S1: Of this? 00:12:56,669 S1: Play with Myla here. 00:12:59,309 S5: My name is Bill small. I'm the land surveyor from Hancock Associates, and I'm here representing the Essex County Greenville. They are in the process of purchasing this property. It's 118 acres. 00:13:10,789 S1: This is the Streeter property. 00:13:12,070 S5: The Streeter property, right? Currently is. Won't be in a few weeks. 00:13:15,309 S1: Well, we're probably going to call it the Streeter property until we all keel over and die, because that's just how things are there. But. So. 00:13:22,909 S5: Yeah. So this is the former of Thomasville Road and Maple Street. And basically the idea is to just cut out the portions of the property that has the buildings on it and leave the rest of the remaining land? So we're going to be keeping with the buildings on it. 20 acres? Yeah, 20 acres. And the remaining 97.5 acres is just remaining land that is eventually going to have a conservation restriction on it. So it's not intended ever to be built, but this is the first step in a, in a process that conservation was won't come after this. And actually there's going to be another plan coming from the planning board to divide this into two, to divide out the currently the two buildings nine and seven. And they're going to be divided further after this is approved, hopefully approved. 00:14:16,500 S1: There's a two story frame up by the street. And then the big house in the back. Is that is that the way. 00:14:23,100 S4: That's the way it's going to be divided. 00:14:28,700 S1: Thank you. Yeah. 00:14:31,049 S4: Well, on. 00:14:31,490 S1: The whole we we have approval not required, so. No motion required on this one. 00:14:37,529 S3: There is a motion. You still have the motion to order. Okay. 00:14:41,529 S1: So we don't approve it. That's the trend. Yeah. Um, so I need a motion to endorse this plan for, um, 7 to 9 Maple Street. 00:14:49,490 S4: Make a motion to endorse the plan on seven and nine Maple Street. 00:14:53,409 S5: Second. 00:14:54,250 S1: All in favor? 00:14:55,570 S5: Aye aye. 00:14:57,690 S1: Aye. We have a pen here. We can sign it. Do you need us to sign it before you can leave? Or can we do that at the end of our meeting? 00:15:05,169 S5: It's up to you. We can send someone to pick it up afterwards. Or if you want to sign it, I'll drop it now. 00:15:09,730 S1: Well, David's not here as anything, so he's going to. 00:15:12,529 S5: Okay. So we can we can go back and sign it a year later. Yeah. I think we need to. 00:15:17,330 S3: We only need three. 00:15:18,330 S4: We need. 00:15:18,649 S1: Right. 00:15:19,049 S3: Well, yeah, the only need. 00:15:20,289 S1: I was thinking we've only got four here. We put this. 00:15:24,690 S5: In. Joseph. 00:15:26,129 S4: You will not require in part helps. Yeah. 00:15:29,049 S5: And yet they still have no more. 00:15:33,009 S3: And it's only a message. 00:15:34,210 S5: What's really. 00:15:37,370 S1: Nice. 00:15:44,450 S5: Is the property on the website included in here frozen? You know, not it is in the overall deal. It's not part of this. It's a separate uh, it's actually separate. 00:15:57,730 S5: But a huge part of eventually the things that you can. 00:16:04,289 S3: Just take a piece. 00:16:05,490 S5: You know, then you survey yourself. Well, I was sent when I was out of that. I did the fact that 00:16:14,049 S5: it wasn't easy, but I just, you know, it's great. 00:16:17,570 S1: Fun to touch them, I love that. 00:16:27,559 S5: And also scanning the sender guys and copy this. 00:16:29,799 S3: Yeah, that'd be good. Thank you. 00:16:37,799 S1: Yep. 00:16:41,639 S5: Thank you very much. 00:16:43,840 S1: You want this? 00:16:45,120 S3: Oh. 00:16:48,879 S4: Yeah. 00:16:59,399 S1: Who doesn't want the podium? 00:17:05,960 S1: The next item is an informal meeting with Kevin Forbes. Um, no presenting. Uh, Penguin Hall property at 62 Essex. Formally representing or informally. I mean, have you purchased it? I guess you'll tell us all. 00:17:22,480 S5: That you have not purchased it. We have a contract to acquire the property. 00:17:28,990 S5: My name is Matt D'Amico. Matt, before you get started. Um, Kevin, Kevin Forbes is. This is J. Doherty still affiliated? Okay. Um, let me just make a disclosure before you begin. Uh, about ten years ago or so, I represented Cabot and Forbes in a litigation matter. I don't think it presents a conflict of interest, but I want to make this disclosure before you get going. Okay. I'd be interested to hear more about that. 00:17:55,190 S1: It's a lot of lawyers on this point, so, uh. 00:17:58,789 S5: Appreciate the time tonight. Um, purpose of setting this up for CAF today as a prospective buyer? Uh, of 62 Essex Street in Wenham, formerly known as Penguin Hall. Um, is really to try to treat this as an informational session about some of our intentions and redeveloping the property, and try to get some feedback from you all as to how you view our proposal today. Um, what we're trying to put forward is intentionally conceptual in nature. Um, before any sort of special permit filing, there's a lot that could change and a lot more research that needs to be done in terms of site conditions. But I want to just give you a flavor of who we are, the type of work we do, and what we would propose for this site. Um, is there clear that might make it easier or harder? 00:18:45,259 S1: Do you have a clicker for the machine, or do you have. 00:18:47,180 S3: To just tell me, you know. 00:18:48,660 S5: If you go the next. 00:18:49,460 S3: You want to make sure you keep seeing, uh, David. 00:18:52,420 S1: Case on. 00:18:52,900 S3: As you see this, the presentation on the on the screen. Okay, good. Yes. Thank you. Perfect. Yep. Let me know. 00:19:00,740 S1: And I should just say in the interest, you know, I said Dan did his disclosure. I think we are happy to hear and listen. I don't think we can give you, you know, specific feedback without seeing a formal application. So. 00:19:15,019 S5: Sounds good. Um, so just as a brief introduction. So caveat Forbes were a developer primarily in New England. Over the course of our history, we've been all across the country, but today and day we're focused on projects in Greater Boston. Um, the proposal at 62 Essex Street is going to be 66 homes. Um, 55 plus age restricted. Plus the historic restoration and preservation of the manor house on the property. Um, put a couple images here just to give you a flavor of some of the work that we do. Um, we have a long history and historic restoration of different properties. Uh, this is a property that we recently delivered in the city of Boston called the Overlook at Saint Gabriel's. As part of that, we had two historic buildings we had to take care of. One, which was a large church that you see in the foreground of the image and the other terracotta roof. Um, in the rear is an old monastery that we brought back to life and turned into 24 residential units. If you go to the next slide. Here's just an example of the work that went into that. And this project was really a great example. And it's very different in many, many ways, but very similar in a lot of other ways of basically leveraging the new development that will occur on the property to be able to subsidize all of the costs that go into really appreciating the old historic property that was there. Um, you have the next slide, please. In terms of other recent projects we've worked on, we're in the middle of delivering 440 unit project in Wakefield, Massachusetts. Right now. That's on a pallet. Uh, the reason I put this in this presentation is that's a for that community, a very highly, highly sensitive property. It's also the largest development project, public or private, that's ever occurred in the town of Wakefield. Um, so this was something that it really took a long period of time of community building to make sure that we got the right project that we were expecting. The natural resources in the right way there. Um, but we got to the finish line. And it's a project that the community can be proud of. So, um, go to the next slide. Um, just give you a little background here too. So in terms of the Penguin Hall property, uh, at the moment, uh, the property is not on the tax rolls. Like having been a academic institution for the last however many years. Um, so we've put together some preliminary estimates of what that might mean in terms of new taxes to the town. Uh, we believe it'll be over $1 million in new tax revenue. Um, once the property has 66 homes, um, is open and stabilized. 00:22:05,200 S1: That gross, our net costs. 00:22:07,079 S5: That's gross. 00:22:08,160 S1: Thank you. 00:22:11,079 S5: Um, and then just a brief. Yeah. Until there's a real proposal. As you mentioned. These are just giving you our intentions of where I think the zoning is going to land. So this is in the independent living overlay district. Uh, the island. So, um, that the island requires that a parcel must be ten acres in size. Uh, to qualify for that zoning. This is over 50 acres. Um, we're more than double the amount of frontage required. Uh, 252 units are actually allowed. Um, as part of the zoning at this property. Our proposal is for 66. Um, a big part of that is really just working with a lot of the current disturbed areas of the site and trying to minimize the amount of additional disturbance that we would have to introduce this site. The zoning allows for four stories. We're proposing three. Uh, and the zoning requires that 10% of the units, uh, be 80% ami affordable, which is something that we will provide. Um, so with that, I just want to provide that intro. Uh, we have John Martin from Olsen and Lewis, uh, who will give a summary of the design considerations going in. 00:23:27,349 S1: Can I ask some technical? 00:23:29,029 S5: Absolutely. 00:23:29,829 S1: First, whether we get into the design water and sewer is, uh, full disclosure, my kids went to nursery school at Notre Dame children's class, and the rumor was always that that parcel was the septic system, the Penguin Hall. So just confirming that that, in fact, is true and just confirming that, you know, you have water to support 66 units on that site. 00:23:56,789 S5: Yeah. So we do um, so we are, you know, part of the density constraints are definitely driven by that. Um, preliminarily, we do believe that we'll have 10,000 gallons per day of water and sewer available, which is enough to support this development. At the moment, we're trying to use as many of the existing systems as possible, including, um, using the existing existing septic system on the property, providing any improvements that need to happen. Um, again, just trying to create as little new disturbance as possible to the property. 00:24:33,259 S1: And is the water on site like through wells or through the system? 00:24:37,819 S5: Through tap. 00:24:38,579 S1: Water? Tap water okay. 00:24:45,099 S1: Going into the design. David. 00:24:51,380 S1: Thank you. 00:24:52,700 S5: Um, John Lewis architects. Nice to see you all. Um, go to the next slide. So I'm sure you all know the property fairly well. Um, but I thought we'd just give you a quick little tour. Um, by the way, our firm has been lucky enough. This This would be the at least the second time that we've worked on this building. When it went from being the home for many, many nuns to Mullan nun. We did the renovation work not only to the the manor house, but also to the two wings as well, and added a floor to the other wing. So we've had a long history of this building. And, you know, one of the unique things about Penguin Hall is that the manor house itself is a stunningly great condition because it's been repurposed several times over the years. So, um, as I can attest to personally get the inside is in impeccable shape and really beautiful. And one of the goals of this project is to really make the best use that we can of this property. So we have ways in which we can do that, which we'll talk about now. Um, but as you enter the property, which is the image there on the upper right, um, that's the entry off of Essex Street, but the manor house itself has this road as the drive winds through the woods. Um, it seemed like this manor house was always intended to be this beautiful home in the middle of the woods. Unlike, let's say, um, the Crane estate, which was up on the hill in this great axial thing. This thing was quiet. It was intimate, very private. And that's kind of how the whole property feels. So as you move down the road over the next slide, you, the home and the buildings slowly reveal themselves to you as you arrive. Uh, the image on the upper right, as you see there. Um, this would be a point at which actually the road goes to the right and it will in the future go to to the left. Um, as it goes to the right, it actually does go to the entry of Penguin Hall. And you would pass by that image down there on the lower right, which is the existing carriage house. We are actually looking at that carriage house, Possibly trying to find a way to use it as part of the project. The plans that we have currently don't show that, but we think that there might be some feasibility in in using that existing building next one. And then as you continue up, of course, we are in the upper right hand corner are these two wings. The first wing was added while the nuns were occupying the site. The second wing wing was added when when Mullin took it over. And the roof pieces as well. Um, and you know, this is the, the version of the property in which it was a large office building and it was that way for, for a long time. Um, the goal or the, the, uh, intent at the moment for this project is actually to peel back to the original manor house, so those two winds will go away, and the manor house would again be what it was in the 30s in terms of of its scope and of its size. We studied in great detail how we might reuse and repurpose those wings. While there are great offices, and I bet there are really great cells for for nuns, they're not a good size for housing. They're simply too narrow. Um, you could do single loaded corridors, but it's just not not very efficient. Um, and they're quite tall. They're actually five stories in the tallest. If you went from the lowest level all the way to the top. So a lot of square footage, but not terribly great or for the use that we've got. And then lastly on the lower right hand corner there, when you arrive to the front door, this image of Penguin Hall is one you rarely see actually, because you can't see it unless you drive up and you finally get to that destination. This very intimate, beautiful courtyard, which is kind of the character of a whole property. Um, intimate and small. 00:29:02,069 S1: Next slide. What is? Can I just ask? Yeah. You said you plan to reuse it. What would it become? Would it be a private home or would it be. 00:29:10,150 S5: Oh, that the house? You mean the manor house? So we would use actually portions of the manor house for a few apartments, half a dozen, maybe seven apartments, small, one bed, two beds sort of thing. But then most of the first floor would become common space. So for the over 55 folks who would live on this property, this would be a place that they could come. 00:29:34,869 S1: Oh, great. Thanks. 00:29:36,390 S5: So as I mentioned, we've done work previously in this building. The image on the left there is a beautiful, uh, rendering of the floor plan. And the image on the right there is, um, you guys ever seen Mad Men? This was Mad Men, I think. At least that's how I think of it. It was an ad agency. And this room on the right, that screen there was high tech back. Back when this was done, but there was a projection screen behind that that would show images, and so people would be pitched their advertising things by by the company in this room. Um, but the detail, the quality of the space is all, just to be honest, pretty incredible. Um, and they did it in a way that it didn't ruin that beautiful manor house, which is the the intent also of our project. Next slide. So the property itself, these are the property lines. It's just over 50 acres. Um, the manor house of course is is in the center. You can see those two wings coming off on the right hand side and then a large part of parking. Um, on, on the bottom, on the southern end of that part of the site. Next slide. And this was the real challenge. There are a lot of wetlands on this property. 00:30:53,579 S1: And rock to. 00:30:54,579 S5: And rich topography. Yes, there's a lot going on. So when we studied this and how to figure out where the best place would be to put anything new, we had to really wrap our heads around this first. So the yellow simply indicates where we don't have wetlands or undefined or anything that might inhibit our project. Um, and this became our, our boundary of what, what we would look at doing. 00:31:24,329 S1: Interesting that it doesn't include that portion of the parking lot. 00:31:28,529 S5: That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and maybe setbacks have changed over the years. I don't know, but that was the portion of the area we're working in is trying to be outside of those settlements. So here's a version of what we've been studying. Of course, we've been trying to balance, uh, what the capacity of the site could be with also what the market tells us that the project should do. So what we're showing right now, are single family homes that are really wrapping around the the top side of the manor house, and then some two family homes that are wrapping around the bottom side. Um, in both cases where we're trying to maintain this idea of this meandering road that kind of comes in through the site. So the existing driveway, of course, is here, right? And this is where it splits. The parking lot is down here. Um, we imagine people would would stay to the right. This would become sort of a one way street, if you will. Um, and these, uh, these homes would sort of surround the existing, uh, manor house. It's quite dense. Um, but we're trying to to maintain, um, some of the existing elements of the house. For example, once you come through the manor house and onto this back area, there's a beautiful terrace, beautiful lawn terrace. There used to be a large circular pool in the back, which is actually now an underground tank. I believe used for the, um, the cistern for the sprinkler system. But it's a beautiful space, a very intimate space, not unlike the front courtyard. So the idea is to try and keep some of those and tie them together so that the whole property can still feel some of the same ways that it feels today. 00:33:19,559 S1: So you've got 66 units plus or minus, but only one access point, unless you're using the road, which I know goes all the way through to 20 to grapevine. That will be accessible. You have to have an access point. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 00:33:37,880 S6: Just to clarify that. So we have easement rights over there. Um, but easement contemplates that that really must be a secondary life safety type of access. 00:33:49,400 S1: Mhm. Okay. 00:33:52,750 S5: And then we're starting to imagine what these would look like. Um, you know, there are over 55. Um, so that would mean certainly a primary bedroom on the first floor. Um, aging in place sort of situation. Um, these are actually these are units for a different project that we've designed, but a very similar type, uh, type of building. And next slide. And this is a 3D image of, of the property. And again, won't be imagined. It might look like. Um, the idea really is several small groupings of, of homes and then some larger ones, but still grouped around some sort of common open space in the middle. And then the manor house still remains the primary and and, um, kind of like the jewel of the property. Um, the easily walkable from all units, uh, so they can get to that common space. 00:34:51,179 S7: Would there be garages at each unit? 00:34:53,420 S5: Yes. 00:34:54,420 S7: Yeah. 00:34:56,780 S8: Can you go back? Yeah. Yeah. 00:34:59,579 S5: So in. 00:35:00,699 S8: The top. Right. Yeah. That's. Is that off property? Is that the. Okay. That's the correct nursery school. Right. 00:35:07,780 S1: That's that's. 00:35:08,420 S5: My sisters. 00:35:09,460 S1: That's that long building is not there now. 00:35:12,500 S5: That's actually a parking lot. Yeah. It looks like a building in full. 00:35:17,260 S8: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:18,139 S1: Yeah. 00:35:18,539 S8: So that's that's a good. That's. Yes. 00:35:20,900 S5: Sometimes when these things get rendered, they look like something's. But that. That is the playground, actually. 00:35:26,380 S8: Um. 00:35:26,739 S1: Yeah. No, no. It will. 00:35:29,380 S5: And that subject field you're talking about. Right, right. 00:35:32,420 S1: Right. It's it's that the playground, basically. Yeah. 00:35:38,300 S5: So, you know, what would this look like? These are just a couple examples of projects of similar ones that we've done. 00:35:44,980 S3: Um, and. 00:35:45,500 S1: These are your. 00:35:45,980 S8: Projects. Correct. Okay. 00:35:47,139 S5: Yes. This is in Manchester. Um, actually, right across the street from our office. Um, this actually wasn't age restricted, but, um, uh, that they are duplexes connected by garages. But in terms of the language and the size of the units, this is very similar to what we're talking about. Next slide. Just some work close ups of the architectural details. Very New England like. And then this one we worked on very early um, in the master planning concepts of it. Just like this is just off the street at boulders and this is and I was over 55 or. 00:36:30,380 S1: I think so. Yes. 00:36:31,460 S5: Yeah. Yeah. So again very similar in concept. Smaller, of course, but the same idea of trying to organize a series of these buildings around some common space. 00:36:45,690 S8: That's it. Yeah. 00:36:49,969 S1: Well. Thank you. 00:36:54,610 S6: We have some physical copies and presentation. That'll be fine. 00:36:58,170 S8: Okay. 00:36:59,289 S1: Any questions for. 00:37:02,929 S1: Kevin? Kevin Forbes about this. David, do you have any thoughts? Questions? No. 00:37:10,610 S8: No. It's not. 00:37:12,889 S1: Thanks. 00:37:14,849 S7: I guess one just high level question. Where are you in a time like, what's your timeline and where if we sat here today, how do how long until you think you would start doing something at the property itself versus regulatory everything? 00:37:32,250 S6: Oh, first of all kind of hinges on the regulatory. Yeah. But, uh, assuming that we can get in the process in three months and get through it in nine. Um, we'd like to be in a position by next summer to be starting to do some real improvements. Um, phasing all that. That'll very much is TBD how that works out. But, yeah, that's what we're thinking. 00:38:00,320 S6: Uh, I actually do have a question. 00:38:02,519 S9: Uh, and I apologize, I think and code is earlier, but I didn't quite understand the answer. Has the bankruptcy court made a determination on the sale order, or is that still pending among competing parties? 00:38:17,280 S6: Uh, so we have a purchase contract to buy the site. Sale order has not been completed. 00:38:24,320 S9: Okay. 00:38:33,119 S9: All right, one more question. 00:38:36,039 S8: Um. 00:38:38,559 S9: So, hypothetically, there's, um, interesting parcels adjacent. Uh, plus or minus to this parcel, one of which is, uh, his sister's property. Another of which is town owned across the street at Iron Rail. Uh, another of which is down the road. Um, uh, I just raised it because it's been raised as a potential site of development at the woodland parking lot. I think it, um, caught in college. How do you see, uh, your potential development of this penguin fall as potentially relating to any of these other sites that may experience development is that of. I mean, is that something of interest to you as a potential developer of this site, or do you see it as not really relevant to how you would intend to develop this site? 00:39:44,510 S6: Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting point. I would say as a developer, in terms of our general interest, um, we're typically the way we're going to approach anything is we have one hallmark project at a time that we're going to spend all of our effort in trying to figure out for that, for this community. Is this project the extent of there are synergies between the different properties? We're more than happy to try to explore them. I think, you know, from my point of view, we think that this this proposal to date and of course, it's a very soft proposal. But this idea we think is a it sets a strong precedent for what some of these other 55 plus potential communities in future could look like. Um, but beyond that, um, that's the only real relation. 00:40:32,949 S9: I guess. Yeah. That's fair. I mean, I guess, you know, this is all pretty hypothetical, but I guess, um. 00:40:42,179 S9: In principle, if you had non-residential developments that these other neighboring sites, whether it be um, medical offices or retail of a type that's attractive to the folks that you would intend to have living on this site or dining these types of things. I mean, is that of interest in terms of the development opportunity to some to to someone like your firm, or is that something that's just outside the scope of interest? 00:41:16,059 S6: It might be. I think all the uses that you just mentioned are synergistic with what we're proposing here, and I think would make for, generally speaking, more success at this parcel. I don't think this parcel on its own can support those, but I think in the context of multiple different development sites happening at once, development project happening at once. Yeah, I think those are all synergistic now would make for, uh, you know, part part of the reason behind the manor house for us is we really want there was a, you know, we had to keep the manor house. There was a it's a beautiful thing to keep. There were a lot of things we could have done. We could have just, you know, made it one big single family home and sold it off. 00:41:58,210 S1: Yeah. Was wondering about that. 00:42:00,130 S6: And we. 00:42:00,730 S1: Had to hear your not. 00:42:01,769 S8: Yeah. 00:42:02,570 S6: And for us in our interest in doing the projects, the only way we can make it a hallmark project is to bring everyone in as a community center for the project. 00:42:12,409 S8: Uh, would. 00:42:12,809 S1: You do dining there? 00:42:14,769 S6: It's something we've looked at. I think it's. 00:42:16,769 S8: Hard to. 00:42:17,210 S1: Really use it, be something we would need to work with you on. 00:42:20,329 S8: But yeah. 00:42:21,130 S6: It's it's hard to execute. We've we've looked at it. I think we'll continue to look at it. We would want to do something like that if we, if, if it was financially feasible. Um, but the point I'm getting to here is any sort of common space. Third space for the residents here, whether it's on site or off site, is is a huge plus. So to the extent that those other development projects have been and have some sort of retail or medical office or whatever use, um, definitely be that as mostly. 00:42:55,969 S1: Thanks. 00:42:57,250 S6: Thank you. 00:42:57,730 S8: Thank you. 00:43:03,050 S1: Anybody have any questions? Oh, no. Thank you for coming in. 00:43:10,489 S8: Thank you all. 00:43:12,170 S1: Okay, the next thing is on the agenda. Sweep this one up is a question on the 47 Maple Street. Have you had a conversation with them again? 00:43:22,369 S3: I have. 00:43:23,210 S1: Because I just drove by them the other day and is still. 00:43:26,769 S3: Waiting for the weather to bring a little bit before they try to be ready to. 00:43:30,489 S8: Meet. 00:43:30,610 S3: Them on weekends. 00:43:31,369 S1: Yeah, I said, I would say it's broken already, except I know it hasn't because I drove through. 00:43:37,320 S8: It was snowing two days ago. 00:43:39,039 S1: Three inches of snow, and I didn't sign it. 00:43:41,280 S7: My ribs are still frozen solid. 00:43:43,599 S8: Yeah, yeah. 00:43:44,519 S1: Okay. So that they do know what we're talking about. And they do know that they're going to do something. 00:43:49,559 S3: Yeah. And I sent them the photos that you had sent me, um, with the same examples of stone walls that they need to follow. Um, yeah. He seems to understand what he has to do, and but we will keep on and make sure that, you know, they start to get to the work as soon as they get better, I guess. 00:44:10,320 S1: So it might be June, but. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I was in Philadelphia this weekend and it was a rude awakening. I mean. 00:44:19,480 S3: Was it warmer? 00:44:20,760 S1: Oh yeah. Yeah. And flowers blooming trees. Yes. Yes okay. Well that's helpful. And then the other thing is does anybody have anything they want to talk about about the warrant articles? Um. 00:44:35,070 S5: I have a question, but hopefully Gary might be able to answer. Yeah. Um. This one. 00:44:43,630 S5: No, not not one of ours. I have a question about the scratch energy code article. 00:44:49,230 S1: Okay, let's see here. Um, I did two before you. 00:44:53,909 S5: So. Oh, and this one. Um. It's okay. What did the finance and advisory committee have? They made a recommendation? The, um. 00:45:05,949 S5: The check book. I think that's, uh, outside of their purview to decide what's what. 00:45:11,869 S1: They say may make it a town meeting. That's what the book said. 00:45:14,869 S5: Uh, let me see what number sent. 00:45:17,949 S1: I think it's 16. 00:45:19,630 S5: 16 and 16 notes. 00:45:30,699 S5: Yes. I think they said they weren't prepared. Hadn't received the full information that I think they're gonna hate. Was going to get it to them today and tomorrow. So they may make their recommendation. Okay. But I think too, that's uh, there's also a question, I think, on that one, whether it's partially within the Pentagon's purview. Was there did. 00:45:57,619 S6: I mean, I, I apologize, I missed the warrant hearing. 00:46:00,059 S5: So I probably should have attended. 00:46:01,699 S6: But did this. 00:46:02,820 S5: Select board have you. 00:46:04,500 S6: I know you recommended it five zero, but. 00:46:06,099 S5: Was there a discussion. 00:46:07,019 S6: Of. 00:46:08,900 S5: Uh, potential increased costs if we adopt this. 00:46:11,380 S6: And. 00:46:13,420 S5: What effect that might have? Yeah. So the, uh, if you really interest, I think probably the best one is, uh, Sue Petrolia when the climate action, uh, is that up on the website we're briefing. 00:46:27,820 S6: I watched part of it. 00:46:28,860 S5: I haven't watched the whole thing. So it's actually. Yeah. So it's, uh, new construction only. Right. Uh, depending on the size of the building, essentially, I think it's under 4000. Um. 00:46:43,380 S5: It's you still have the option, but you still have. But you only have to have it solar ready or electric ready over 4000ft. You must install solar PV to offset carbon use. If you decide to go with a carbon. And over 12,000 is um, you also need to meet the, uh, passive house standards. So I think they had the numbers up, I think on the big briefing that, uh, don't quote me, but I think was that about 3% add to the construction policy, page three. 00:47:18,619 S1: There's a lot of trees that are going to have to be taken down to do that too, like I know. 00:47:22,659 S5: Yeah, but there are Exceptions. You know. 00:47:25,409 S7: For. 00:47:25,610 S5: Solar, the for the solar is not mandatory. If you demonstrate that you know your orientation is wrong or the truth is wrong. 00:47:32,210 S1: And so for me, obviously if it's new construction, you can sign it. 00:47:35,329 S5: But yes. And that's also. 00:47:37,289 S1: Why I encourage people to strip lots in order to do that. 00:47:40,170 S5: Yes. You don't want to do that. But this as I said, it's only new construction anyhow, so it's going to be coming through you and probably time for most properties in town as well. So all our current regulations protect the landscape. Still is. In fact, this applies just to the type of construction you have to comply with the current code. And this, as they say, specialize. It goes beyond the stretch code to ensure, you know, essentially electric ready or electric offset depending on a larger building is um. 00:48:16,050 S6: Thank you. So I had the opportunity to talk to a few engineers about this, um, and the sense that I got was that this is definitely going to increase cost for construction. I mean, I know you said that, um, and my my concern from a planning board perspective is if we're making a push for affordable housing or varied units, is this something that we want to lay on top of what we already have? 00:48:43,480 S1: It's optional. If we're under 4000ft². So. 00:48:46,199 S6: Well, it's but it's you still have to electrify. You have to you have to you have to make it available for electrification in the future. Right. Even if it's under 4000ft². 00:48:56,440 S5: But basically all you're talking there is a higher amperage main panel and perhaps pre wire to a roof. 00:49:06,679 S1: And with fuel costs the way they are electric might be cheaper. 00:49:12,039 S6: Right. But the electricity is still coming from the same place. Right. And we have I think I heard the second highest residential electricity rates in the country? Yes. 00:49:22,199 S1: But we also have high natural gas prices, yea, high oil prices. And those are not going down. 00:49:28,239 S6: Right. Um, I saw something in here about. I don't mean to be on the spot. Yeah. 00:49:35,639 S1: Okay. You're here. 00:49:36,360 S6: Yeah. I'm glad you're here. Um, about getting, uh, grants for the the school MSBA. Is it MSBA? If we're. Is it whatever you're eligible for leader status. 00:49:53,960 S1: And the local authority. 00:49:55,599 S6: The school building authority. 00:49:56,679 S1: Present incentives. 00:49:57,960 S6: Right. Could we still do that without adopting the stretch energy code? Like, could we for the particular project. Right. You could. You could require a school building to be. 00:50:07,559 S5: Yeah, you still have to. You could require the building to meet, you know. 00:50:11,039 S6: Without. 00:50:11,519 S5: The gold standards and so forth. 00:50:13,079 S6: Right. 00:50:13,280 S5: Yeah. But, uh, have to go to Margaret or Kate. Okay. As to or, uh, building has to because, you know, the district's its own kind of an entity as well. So but what they're talking about also here, the, the grants we're talking about is for municipal. 00:50:35,829 S6: Right. 00:50:36,429 S5: Grants. 00:50:38,150 S6: Okay. I'm, I'm, I just I don't want us to be working at sort of cross purposes because, because I know it's going to get back to one. 00:50:48,510 S5: Article about 10 or 12. Yeah. You know, the big solar for the district is to have the high school roof, right? Yeah. And that's, that is required by the state in order to get that 45% contribution from the state. 00:51:03,309 S1: And it's the best location in town. Oh yeah. At the state wide open. 00:51:07,429 S5: So yeah. So the as I understand it, the 45% contribution by the state to the high school roof renovation is dependent upon having it built for solar ready. And once it's solar ready, then the district will go out and look for grants fashioned. But they are sold on to us as we did with the library. 00:51:30,860 S6: Right? Okay. 00:51:33,099 S1: I had I had a question about, um, the ion rail solar lease. Yeah. On solar. There's no recommendation in here from the Select board. 00:51:43,980 S5: Yeah. 00:51:44,300 S1: So they're not going to be given in. 00:51:46,340 S5: The, uh. 00:51:47,099 S6: Sustainable. 00:51:47,619 S5: Recommendation. 00:51:48,539 S6: Yeah. 00:51:49,099 S5: Tuesday night. 00:51:51,139 S1: I'm sorry. 00:51:51,860 S5: Tuesday night we had the meeting. 00:51:54,139 S1: But it's not in the book, so. 00:51:55,380 S5: No, because it's pretty. 00:51:56,619 S1: And I was traveling, so yes, taking advantage of it. 00:51:59,460 S5: So we, uh, voted a unanimous to endorse that it had been delayed because there's still some questions between the purchase versus the lease option. And we eventually went with the lease option, knowing that the town really doesn't have the technical, maintenance O&M expertise to maintain the system. So we said, you know, it's much better to just lease the property and basically send us a check. 00:52:26,650 S1: And income is also voted at this point or not. 00:52:32,010 S3: Yeah. 00:52:32,809 S5: Yeah. Yes. I believe they voted Tuesday because it was a joint meeting. 00:52:36,769 S1: Do you know what their role was? 00:52:38,090 S5: I think they were unanimous to. 00:52:42,210 S5: Check in with us. 00:52:43,809 S1: Okay. 00:52:46,530 S1: Anybody else have any? Um, no. 00:52:50,210 S6: That was the major one that jumped out at me. 00:52:52,889 S1: Well. 00:52:53,010 S6: It's interesting. 00:52:54,289 S1: They're doing the best part. Before the climate change resolution, which was like you would flip it. 00:53:01,369 S6: Is it the climate change resolution? Just sort of. 00:53:03,170 S7: A sense. 00:53:03,570 S6: Of. 00:53:03,730 S1: The it's a goal. But then but then 16 is a step toward the goal. The way my head works The. And then the final thing is. 00:53:14,730 S6: Um, I think we're going to have a quorum at articles 1617. 00:53:18,489 S1: Well, if it hasn't happened, that's the question that I have about article 22, where we have to dispose of the town owned property on Boulder Lane to be able to do MBTA pay properly. 00:53:31,130 S3: Yeah. 00:53:31,610 S5: So we're just going to keep 120 for the quorum that. Yes. 00:53:36,929 S3: Yeah. 00:53:40,489 S1: I guess it's tomorrow night. We'll find out. Yes. 00:53:43,289 S6: What are the override articles? Are they like 4 or 5? 00:53:46,570 S5: Number two. Two. So it's the, uh, article one is the entire municipal budget and the school budget up to the level for the schools. And then article two is the add on that drives the school budget to an override. So article one will fund everything up to that limit. And then article two is you want to spend more money upon the school? 00:54:13,920 S6: Yeah. 00:54:14,880 S1: Okay. I'm just wondering if we're going to get a quorum for the town owned property on Boulder Lane, which, as we know, is needed to do that. So. Um, the other question. The only other question I had is on that, the one a the main street, um, I've seen in the past like sketches of the plan for the Main Street project. Dot project. Uh, are they all is it pretty much the same as we've already seen? I know Kate's on. Maybe. Do you have a picture, Kate, that. I looked on the town website and it was very, very tiny, right? 00:54:51,039 S5: So, yeah, the scale on the. 00:54:53,920 S1: Uh, presentation. 00:54:54,840 S5: Temporary easements, you know, it's because it's the area they had to cover. But if you look at the square footage on the easements, they're very small, down to four square feet. A couple of deer and so forth. And, Kate, you've already talked to all the butters now, right? 00:55:12,710 S10: Yes. Um, so myself and our DPW director. 00:55:19,989 S10: I'm sorry. 00:55:21,269 S1: Go ahead. Kate. Sorry. 00:55:22,309 S10: Okay. So myself and our DPW director, um, Rich went out. We've talked to all of the people that would be affected by the easements there. Really? Small easements like the end of a driveway will be repaved. Um, a fence will come down. Um, but then it will will pay people to put the fence back up. So, um, it's actually pretty straightforward. And everybody has been really receptive to the whole process. 00:55:50,989 S1: I was just kind of hoping to see a map here and figure out, yeah, this is better than when I tried to look at it online at home. Um, and there's a traffic light, right? 00:56:03,670 S10: Yep. There'll be a traffic light. Um, right on Main Street in Front Street. So right by Town Hall and then over by Cherry Street as well. 00:56:16,429 S1: So there'll be. 00:56:17,110 S7: 20322. 00:56:20,230 S1: So that Arbor Friend, are they realigning any of that intersection. 00:56:27,789 S5: Slightly changing the front court, town hall corner. Yeah. Right. 00:56:32,190 S1: So exactly. 00:56:34,070 S5: Yeah. So there's there's more detail. 00:56:36,789 S6: Yeah. 00:56:38,070 S1: That might be too much detail. And then where is the other slight. 00:56:42,150 S6: So the. 00:56:42,829 S1: Cherry. 00:56:43,510 S5: Yeah. So cherry and you know in front of the, the maples. 00:56:47,989 S6: Right. 00:56:48,349 S1: The one that's super hard to. 00:56:50,309 S6: Yes. 00:56:50,989 S1: Turn out. Well not as bad as monument but still. 00:56:54,070 S5: So the and the uh, the lights will be sequenced or tied together so that there'll be time to allow traffic out of monument. 00:57:02,550 S6: Yeah. 00:57:03,710 S3: Yeah. When you go there. 00:57:05,139 S1: It's it's the less complicated map that. 00:57:08,260 S6: So we're going to be doubling the amount of traffic lights we have in town. Yeah. 00:57:12,900 S5: Tripping by the count. By the time you count the poles, because the one that you're at Arbor is going to actually be five poles, I think. 00:57:20,539 S3: Is the Cherry Street. 00:57:24,980 S5: Sign. I think they're realigning the entrance into the maples a little bit with that right to square it up. 00:57:31,619 S6: Mhm. 00:57:32,739 S7: Monument stays the same. 00:57:34,739 S5: Monument stays the same. Although I think that the corner. Yeah. Maybe uh adjusted a little bit. You can see the, at least the Mark road will be clearer rather than the, you know, not the three abreast. 00:57:51,420 S7: Yeah. 00:57:51,699 S5: It's coming out so and the same thing I think on the Cherry Street too, there'll be a much more defined roadway. 00:58:00,940 S7: When does this happen? 00:58:02,500 S5: Uh, so, uh, this passes, I think they were talking about, uh, contract RFP in August. 00:58:09,289 S6: Yeah. 00:58:09,849 S5: And then, uh, probably dirt moves in the next spring. 00:58:14,849 S6: Okay. 00:58:15,170 S10: Correct. Gary. Exactly. 00:58:16,809 S6: Okay. 00:58:19,449 S6: I shall. 00:58:19,849 S5: Refer each time to the expert on this. 00:58:23,409 S3: Meeting. 00:58:24,650 S1: Okay. 00:58:27,730 S1: Well. Exciting news. Um, yeah. What does it do to the traffic flow off of it? 00:58:39,210 S5: Well, it's. The lights will be time, supposedly, so that there'll be intermediate. Both ends will be read for a bit so that monument traffic gets out as well. 00:58:48,409 S1: And presumably they take off the little pedestrian light at that post office. 00:58:52,250 S5: Yeah. Post office light goes away. Oh, then we. 00:58:54,570 S6: Won't be doubling. Yeah. No taking one away. 00:58:58,449 S1: We'll be. 00:59:03,280 S1: I'll be three tall. 00:59:09,840 S1: Okay. Those are the questions I had. And then we have the meeting minutes. Unless somebody else has anything on them one. I have some changes to the meeting minutes, but I appreciate that you did. So. 00:59:23,840 S6: The two tiny knits I hold? Maybe three. 00:59:26,119 S1: Well, I had some about what I was saying, and it might be just that I had a bad head called. You couldn't really make out what I was trying to say, but, um, if we can go to those, I can tell you what my changes are. 00:59:40,559 S6: Um, can I give you my minor above? Where are you going to start? Okay. 00:59:48,679 S1: And bowling for Margaret so that we can see what we're doing. 00:59:56,320 S3: David, can you see the minutes? 00:59:59,480 S6: Oh, wait. 01:00:01,119 S3: Oh, yeah. Let me. 01:00:02,239 S1: Yeah. I just got someone last week. 01:00:06,239 S3: So this is, um, done with all the marking. 01:00:08,400 S6: Oh, okay. So you see the, uh, one, two third paragraph down in the red in here. Town bylaws has a an extra apostrophe s. 01:00:21,519 S6: And at the one more take that's out. 01:00:26,559 S3: There are no S's. 01:00:27,400 S6: You get two S's, though. 01:00:28,320 S3: Okay. 01:00:29,519 S6: Um, at the end of that sentence or end of that line, it says two set at the end. I don't think you need the at. 01:00:36,360 S1: Uh, the paragraph above that has not changed from me. 01:00:40,039 S3: I did want to set the amount of the Bible. Okay. 01:00:43,519 S1: Um, where it says almost 80 acres at the eyebrow property. Um, I think it should say on a portion that was previously used on that paragraph. Yeah. The last line in the second paragraph. Amazon. Yeah. It says on previously used it should say on a portion of the property previously used. 01:01:12,789 S1: Was used for soccer to. 01:01:18,309 S3: That little spot was used for something. 01:01:20,309 S1: Yeah quite certain I used to coach on it. 01:01:22,789 S6: You could just say sports. 01:01:24,070 S1: Horse versus children's sports. 01:01:27,590 S3: Um, do you want me to change that or just leave baseball and softball? 01:01:30,829 S6: Just. I would say just youth sports. 01:01:32,710 S3: Youth sports. Sports. Okay. 01:01:36,309 S1: So. And then the next change I had was in. 01:01:40,269 S7: The whole bunch posted. 01:01:41,869 S6: Oh, I'll do that. 01:01:42,789 S1: No, you gotta undo that. Start over. Because you took out what it. 01:01:46,750 S3: What. 01:01:47,630 S6: You took. 01:01:48,070 S5: The highlight went too big. 01:01:49,349 S1: Just go backwards. Just go back. 01:01:52,550 S6: And do I'm doing. 01:01:53,309 S1: Do I do I. 01:01:54,030 S7: Neutral? 01:01:54,550 S3: See how they end up there, though. Oh, wait a minute. All right. 01:01:58,219 S1: If you highlighted it all and. Yeah. 01:02:02,539 S3: I'm sorry. 01:02:03,340 S1: Yeah. No problem. Previously used for youth sports. 01:02:06,820 S3: Okay. 01:02:12,340 S1: And then just get that. 01:02:19,860 S1: You got an extra space so that I get it. Just back up when. 01:02:24,739 S3: I let me do that. 01:02:27,900 S1: Put in period. 01:02:29,940 S7: Weird changes. It's weird when you get so many. 01:02:33,420 S3: Yeah. Okay. That'll work. 01:02:35,539 S6: On it. Um, you need a space after the word presented. 01:02:40,420 S3: We're about. 01:02:41,420 S6: Down. Straight down the two. The two line paragraph. 01:02:46,539 S3: Down here. 01:02:47,099 S1: Was presented and then presented and. 01:02:53,139 S6: That's all. 01:02:53,500 S1: I have. And then my change would sound in the paragraph about what I said. So on this one. Yeah. And eight weeks back, the national grid and national grid. And when I was yeah, I think what what this is, is I had questions about a National grid report. Okay. So I would say a week's questioned. Um, I'm not sure I would say question, actually. Um, to think of it, I would just say asked about a national, a portion of a National Grid report submitted with the application in which National Grid maintained it had the right, right to place the solar system in another location. Grid report submitted with the application. Let me just get what it is. 01:03:59,130 S1: Just more words saying more precisely what I was talking about. In which National Grid maintained it had the final right to place the solar system in another location, and that that's already there and had the final right the evening. It had the final right. There you have the stop. You can stop because and then you get rid of everything, including the word right. You get to place. 01:04:28,809 S6: Good. 01:04:29,610 S1: Too. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. You got that? Yes. All right. That's. That's all I have. System. The solar system. Um. 01:04:41,210 S1: How about the solar? The solar system. The solar array. The solar, they would call it. There was nine planets, you know what? I like them where they are. Um, location. Okay. But and and then she said, then she's got this language. Should not be in the final agreement. It's it's it's it's not that so much as. Yeah. Um, this it I was noting that the language should not be in the final report. It was a draft report that they submitted. Okay. Um, as Clark explained, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he believed the final set of plans would be adequate. 01:05:29,079 S1: And was submitted. Set of plans would be adequate. Is that good what she has here? No, because it's not the newly submitted. It's the final submitted set of plans. The newly submitted ones were the ones that came in the night before the hearing. Okay. I was saying that what I gave you was just a draft. You'll get the final one. Yeah. Do we want to put water? Should be. 01:05:54,789 S1: But. Well, I think he was arguing that they would do so. I'm paraphrasing his man's words. Okay. Thank you. That's. That's all. I just wanted to clarify what it was that I was saying. Right. David, did you have anything? 01:06:13,909 S9: Nothing on. 01:06:14,510 S6: Mine. I moved to approve the minutes, as amended. Second. 01:06:20,630 S1: Okay. I have a motion and a second. All in favor? 01:06:24,150 S6: I. 01:06:25,110 S1: I I from Anderson. Um, anything else we haven't talked about tonight? We were going to have a, um, conversation with the consultant about the subdivision changes. When do we set that meeting? Yeah, we set a new date for that? Um, yeah. I sent everyone that email. I've been, you know, traveling for the last week. You guys. A lot of e-mails. Well, I've been traveling for a while. Um, I think it's April 22nd. Was that the rest of. Let me just take it back down with. 01:07:08,230 S1: That would be Earth Day. I don't see anything on my calendar. Yeah. 8th April, 22nd, Earth Day at 6 p.m.. Okay, we'll do it here. And I don't know if they'll join us by zoom or if they'll be in person, but. 01:07:23,829 S6: Okay. 01:07:24,670 S1: Okay. 01:07:26,590 S6: Moved. We adjourn until April 22nd. 6 p.m.. Uh. 01:07:32,190 S1: There's a motion on the floor to adjourn until April 22nd at 6 p.m.. And second. All in favor? Week. Cici. 01:07:39,429 S6: All right. 01:07:40,389 S1: Anderson. I hope you get to come home soon.