00:00:00,167 S1: It's 630. And welcome to the Select Board Agenda meeting for December 16th, 2025. It's an in-person meeting. We're located at the Council on Aging, ten School Street, one in mass. In attendance, Peter Clay and myself, Gary Cheeseman establishing a quorum for tonight's meeting. 00:00:22,667 S1: All right. Please be advised that this meeting is being recorded and be available for later review. Is that correct? Yes. All right. 00:00:34,267 S2: It's an in-person meeting. 00:00:35,701 S1: In-person meeting? No. Otherwise. All right. So let's move on to public input. Purpose for public comment on matters falling within the jurisdiction of the Select board and not on the current agenda. Public comment on specific agenda items for the public comment period will be deferred until the items are reached. Two minutes per person immersion. First, we're going to speak once and ten minutes told. Do we have anybody on line? 00:01:07,567 S3: No answer is sorry in person. 00:01:11,501 S1: All right, let's move on then. To, uh, town administrator's update and town announcements. 00:01:17,868 S2: Just a couple of brief updates tonight. First is, it's pretty, pretty big news, I guess, in a small way, but. So the rich Sousa bought a salt show that is now in front of the DPW, directly in front of the DPW facility down at the Iron Rail. So outside the gate is a lot. Um, so I know folks are you know, I've already been asking quite a bit about, you know, pinch of salt, sand and salt. So, uh, we've always provided sandy salt to one of them residents, but that driveway is spin block ways and things like that. But the problem is, is it's only been to fail or why the DPW was open. So now it will be available 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Two residents in the salt shed. So it's not going to get wet. And salt is the rock. So yeah, you just set that up today. So I thought that was pretty cool. Well we'll put that on. Yeah. On social media and the and the, uh, the sideboard. Um, so then we have, uh, so town hall update will be closing the town hall on the 18th at noon for the holiday party. It will also be closing up at the 24th Avenue for, uh, to start up just about the Christmas season. Uh, give it a head start at Christmas and rush. And as far as the, uh, HVAC goes, this will possibly be my final update before. Yeah. 00:02:53,667 S3: Sorry. 00:02:55,467 S2: So Someday. Maybe. Maybe there'll be one more. But basically, they are completely done. The system is operational. They're still closing up the ceiling in the break room on the second floor. So that's why we're still on the first floor. We could move up there, but they opted to stay out of each other's way and just let them finish up in the entirety of the anticipation that will be ready to move up on the Monday. We come back after the first of the year. Uh, but that we have that this week. But all in all, I think the project just went well. We're going to work out a few little kinks, which are to be expected with the thermostat and the temperature range. Just kind of a fluctuating. But see the kind of now of that down on all this project. And just for the public's information, it was like they'll be aware of it. The emails that will be opening that you are at the first meeting in January. So the apartment will stay open to the first beginning December 1st. First things first meeting in February. Roughly 30 days as in fast. What is one of them has done? So is the wire. I put a little information on how to. 00:04:08,000 S2: Submit any public requests for foreign articles for the select court or through citizens petition process, which is allowed and every resident in town. For more information on the website to The Wire and any additional questions, feel free to contact the board's office. And that is all I have. 00:04:32,567 S1: Well, go down the line then, Peter. 00:04:37,367 S1: I'll just say that, you know, driving around town, things like very holiday ish with the lights up and particularly have to send kudos out to Chief Steve Cavanaugh and Natalie on the one of the best dressed houses around. 00:04:51,567 S3: Agreed. 00:04:53,567 S1: Very well. Then on the chair's reports like ours. Reports minutes. Do we have any further corrections to the minutes? 00:05:05,467 S1: Can we get the motion then. 00:05:07,167 S4: Move to approve the consent agenda as printed in this evening's agenda? 00:05:12,400 S3: Second. 00:05:14,167 S1: Any further discussion? None. Then roll call. Vote. Gary. Yes. 00:05:19,267 S4: Deirdre. 00:05:20,467 S1: Yes. All right. Consent agenda is approved. 00:05:36,868 S1: Do we want to go? Aye. Or do we have someone? Can we speak to us on a yes? 00:05:43,267 S3: We do, but. 00:05:44,601 S4: Do you want to do. 00:05:45,400 S3: The. 00:05:45,667 S1: Yeah. I was going to say why don't we do, uh, licenses? Yeah. How about that, Steve? 00:05:50,467 S2: Yeah. Okay. 00:05:51,868 S1: So let's, uh, go ahead with the, uh, licenses and the, uh, used car dealer license renewals first. 00:06:01,501 S2: Okay. 00:06:01,901 S1: I move to approve. 00:06:03,267 S2: The 2026 annual used car dealer license for Burnett's garage. 00:06:08,367 S1: Second. 00:06:10,267 S3: Second. 00:06:11,167 S4: Second. 00:06:12,467 S1: Any comments? I just say well established and, uh. 00:06:17,501 S4: 100%. 00:06:18,400 S1: High reputation, uh, business in town for decades now. 00:06:22,667 S3: Thank you. 00:06:23,100 S4: Yes, I can attest to that. 00:06:24,601 S3: Yes. 00:06:25,567 S1: All right. And, uh, moved in second in. And the vote. Peter. 00:06:30,567 S3: Yes. Deidre. Yes. 00:06:32,167 S1: Gary. Yes. Thank you. 00:06:34,167 S3: Move to approve the 2026 Annual Used Car Dealer license for. 00:06:38,067 S2: Balance Auto. 00:06:39,000 S3: Service. 00:06:40,100 S4: Second. 00:06:42,467 S1: Comments. Questions? No roll call. Vote. Gary. Yes. 00:06:46,067 S4: Deirdre. 00:06:46,467 S2: Yes. 00:06:47,000 S1: Yes. 00:06:48,367 S2: No. that the 20 2016 used car dealer license for Freeman's garage. 00:06:55,868 S4: Second. 00:06:57,567 S1: Any comments? I just have Steve. Uh, I saw we had positive, uh, police and, uh, inspection reports. Is that correct? That's correct. 00:07:07,701 S2: I'll, I'll. I'll require an inspection. Does that make a problem? All right. 00:07:13,300 S1: Sounds good. Then the roll call. Gary? Yes. 00:07:16,267 S4: Yes. 00:07:16,868 S2: Peter. Yes. 00:07:18,567 S1: All right, so that completes the, uh. 00:07:23,300 S1: The dealer licenses. Let me ask. Did you want to say anything or not? Okay. Very well, thank you. You're good for another year there. 00:07:30,567 S4: Thanks. 00:07:30,801 S2: All right. 00:07:31,501 S1: Thanks. All right. 00:07:33,868 S2: Move to approve the 2026 annual Liquor license renewal. Town liquor. 00:07:40,267 S4: Second. 00:07:40,767 S1: Second. So, uh, did we ever get any update on why it took so long to, uh, get in compliance with the signage and so forth. 00:07:49,701 S2: The only update I received was miscommunication between the property owner and the business. 00:07:56,267 S1: It's all right. 00:07:58,367 S2: That's what I would. All right, that's all. That's all I have. Well, ultimately the signs are down. It's still down as far as I know. But. Yeah. Yes. You were told was the reason for the delay. Very well. 00:08:10,767 S1: So the motion that Peter. I did. Motion. Oh, you did okay. You got a second? All right. Sorry. Then, uh, roll call. Vote, then. Gary. Yes. 00:08:19,467 S4: Deirdre. Yes. 00:08:20,367 S2: Peter. Yes. 00:08:21,667 S1: And the next one is. Move to. 00:08:23,501 S2: Approve the 2026 annual liquor license renewal for plot to July. 00:08:28,467 S1: 2nd. Comments. Roll call. Vote. Gary. Yes. 00:08:34,100 S4: Yes. 00:08:34,901 S1: Yes. 00:08:35,467 S2: All right. Move to approve the 2026 Annual license. License renewal for Wyland Provisions. 00:08:43,000 S5: Doing business as math or magic. 00:08:45,767 S4: Second. 00:08:46,901 S1: Any comments? Gary says yes. 00:08:50,100 S4: Deirdre? Yes. 00:08:51,367 S1: Peter says yes. All right. So that is the annual liquor license renewal is complete. 00:08:59,267 S4: Maybe do the cycling. 00:09:01,868 S1: Yeah. So let's, uh, jump back up to a. So there's Cory Irons of Adventure Cycling Association presenting a proposal to designate a route through, uh, Wenham as Bicycle Route one so we can carry into a stake. Yep, yep. Let's see them. 00:09:28,100 S2: Yes. Hi, Kerry. Can you hear us? 00:09:30,367 S6: Can you unmute. 00:09:31,601 S1: You're muted there, Karen. 00:09:37,968 S4: Do you want to see. 00:09:45,567 S2: Sorry. My microphone. 00:09:47,100 S4: There we go. 00:09:49,167 S7: If you see my slides when I ended up or I need to do something differently. 00:09:52,601 S2: I don't think we need to see the slides. 00:09:54,367 S8: I was just curious which roads. 00:09:56,767 S5: In Vietnam are you talking about? 00:09:58,767 S4: You love them, do you? 00:10:00,367 S2: Really? Okay. 00:10:04,100 S7: Just a second. 00:10:08,367 S7: So basically, it would use the Topsfield Linear cabin from Old Burial Road, coming in from Boxford and Coastal Linear. 00:10:20,467 S7: To Danvers. So that route is already. 00:10:31,868 S7: Already in place with the East Coast Greenway. 00:10:38,100 S7: And this would be basically a duplicate of. 00:10:45,200 S7: Co designation of the East Coast Greenway and U.S. Bicycle Route one. People often ask what was the difference? So the East Coast Greenway is, if you will, a privately mapped route that, uh, that, uh, uh, follows it as much as they can on trails to about a quarter that is, is also. 00:11:05,267 S2: Typically. 00:11:06,267 S7: And then but the rest of it is, is on road. They have gotten permission. Yeah I agree that's true. Every agency along the way. So they have, uh, an agreement that is already, uh, down in agreement. These close Greenway coach use to the town of Staunton. And we're asking to do the same thing for us. Bicycle, basically the East Coast Greenway and the US bicycle route one would be the same. Uh, the U.S. bicycle route is recognized by the feds, uh, through Aashto. If you were The American Association of State Highway Transportation Officials. Uh, but yeah, as far as as far as the route three went, it's it's on the south field in your county. 00:11:51,267 S2: I couldn't understand. 00:11:52,067 S5: That. What do you say? 00:11:53,100 S4: The Topsfield linear comment. 00:11:55,067 S1: The rails, the trail. 00:11:56,567 S4: The rail trail. 00:11:57,567 S2: The road trip. 00:12:00,067 S7: Yeah. Maybe it has. 00:12:00,667 S2: A different name. 00:12:02,501 S7: But Google Maps says it's the Topsfield linear top. Good. 00:12:09,567 S4: So do you want to just go through your slides? 00:12:12,567 S1: Yeah. So the public can see what it's in a little bit more detail. He'll talk us through the slides. 00:12:19,467 S7: Yeah. So I'll just. Not the easiest thing at this point I think because I'm not fighting the share screen. But you're particular. This is a different version of zoom than the one I use, destiny. So can you see the slides? 00:12:32,501 S2: Can you see the slides? 00:12:34,901 S7: Yes I. 00:12:35,367 S2: Can. Okay. So we can slide. Now we can navigate. 00:12:38,000 S7: The far, I'm with you. I'm with the Adventure Cycling Association. We're a non-profit, 6000 member nonprofit. Our mission is to inspire power and connect people to travel by bicycle. And that's what we do. We have a mapped route network for our audience. Similar in concept to the East Coast Greenway, but it covers the whole country. We sell maps, we run organized tours, we have money so we can do national advocacy. And then beyond that, we are. 00:13:06,267 S7: The technical support organization to Astro for the US bike roadmap for next slide. 00:13:16,067 S7: So this is a national charter plan. Um, it represents, uh, well over 50,000 miles. When complete, the dashed lines are proposed corridors and the solid lines are needed. That's currently over 24,000 miles. We had just 1000 times this year. And last year. Uh, and if you look, uh, it's a little hard, but if you look at Massachusetts. Yes, I got one. But, uh, policy to complete across the entire state. Next slide please. 00:13:57,767 S7: So just a little history for us back. For those of you a certain age may remember, there was a spike bloom in the United States in the 1970s. And state chief that worked out said he'd be out of nationals as well. And then once the bicycle went to the national network of federal highways and the national network for Interstate Highways. So in 1982, the first grants were designated. The program went silent after that. So that was US five, part one in that case in Virginia, at North Carolina, in US Bike ride 76 and, you know, in Kentucky and Virginia. But in 2004, Astro said, hey, we gotta get this going again. Uh, Adventure Sidekick joined their task force, which was the task force of federal highways. Uh, obviously Astro was some key state Dot's. The East Coast Greenway was involved. Uh, Mississippi River trail was involved. And in 2008, asked to approve that corridor that you just saw in 2011, the first routes were designated um. In 2014, MassDOT designated 38 miles of the US federal line, uh, in a couple of different pieces just on trails. And then in 2016, they designated US seven, which is on the west side of the state, following the West of New England Greenway, which goes through kind of Massachusetts and Vermont, all 16 boards. Next slide please. So in order for the US bike grant to be designated, MassDOT submits an application to esto. And in that application, Marsden says all of the facility owners for the payment plans are in support. And what that means is each agency along the route has jurisdiction, needs to tell Vazquez that they support the designation. And I'll explain what that involves so that the volunteers, which is essentially be we're working with the East Coast Greenway folks, and with mass like we're reaching out to the 35 jurisdictions along the route to get there. We we just started a month ago. We've already got an answer. We're pretty optimistic about this process. Next slide. 00:16:13,601 S7: And as I said before, the East Coast Greenway and us by will be coded in the foreseeable linear time, which is what until uh, would would be used in when you already have an agreement with the East Coast Greenway. And next slide, please. 00:16:35,000 S7: Yeah, this is basically a map of it coming in for boxer following the the, uh, Tokyo bike route. You can see that there is a dashed line and then down into Danvers. Next slide please. 00:16:50,267 S7: And just for reference, that that has a link on it. And you can click on that link and zoom in and look at any level of detail you want to see exactly what's going on here. So MassDOT is a support letter or a support resolutions plan except to your your thoughts. Uh, sample text for both of those. So I wanted to pass a resolution. That's fine. If you wanted to have a town support letter. That's fine. Some people pass a resolution telling the town administrator sent a support letter. However, you guys want to do that. Uh, and it's worth saying that local agencies do have the final say on the route, so she requested a change. But we could. We could talk about that, but it seems unlikely that you'd want them on anything other than ultimately the bike path. So there's no cost to the to the local agencies. There's no requirements, no constraints. So for example, if this was going to be designated as a historic byway or a scenic byway, the US historic way, which was, by the way, that puts limits on what you could do, size billboards, all kinds of things are restricted. But in the case of a US bike, there's no such restrictions, no costs, no maintenance requirements, nothing. It's simply a mapping project to provide a route for long distance bicycle travelers who want to write up Oxford, Massachusetts, or the east coast of the U.S.. Bike path one starts in Barnhart remain, and that's in Key West, Florida, currently Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland. and Massachusetts and Hampshire and Maine have already proved the problem. Next slide please. 00:18:40,200 S7: So I think you're well aware with that that bath how much your local, uh, folks appreciate having the right bath there. And it does the same thing for long distance bicycle travelers. And I should point out what we're talking about is people who are doing multi-city, multi-week, and sometimes multi-month tours the right 50 to 60, 70 miles a day to spend a couple hundred bucks a day, uh, on lodging and food and all kinds of stuff like that. So there's prostate health and environmental benefits. It's a very low aspect of tourism. And, uh, there's an economic development opportunity there. We hear from communities that are on long distance bike rides, uh, their local bike shop benefits to local campground, their local motels, convenience stores, etc. etc. etc. all. See the effect of those people spending that money on a daily basis. Next slide. 00:19:40,300 S7: So that's me, Carrie Ayers. I'm on Usbr volunteer coordinator for the Adventure Cycling Association Association. Here's my email address and my cell phone and landline. And then I work with Kelly Zachary, who's the routes coordinator for adventure cycling. And then here's her contact information. So any further questions people have. 00:20:01,567 S1: Any questions from the board? 00:20:03,968 S4: Sounds great. Sounds great. 00:20:05,767 S1: Thank you, Carrie, for the presentation. I hope the public sees this eventually. And, uh, do we have the printed resolution available? 00:20:15,868 S2: Yeah. There's no vote tonight. All right. But, um, the board is interested, and it seems like it is. Then we can bring it back from the first meeting of January. The full resolution. Can you take the vote and send the letter? 00:20:31,067 S1: Sounds good. 00:20:33,367 S7: Thanks for your time and my contact information there. If somebody wants an individual discussion that that doesn't violate Open Meetings Act, the constraints. I'm happy to spend as much time as you like talking about this process and what we're doing here. 00:20:47,100 S2: Thank you Terry. Thanks again Gary. I just have a quick question about a picture. Can you just go back to 28? I think it's 20. 00:20:57,100 S2: 1 to 26. What's the what's the picture on the left there? Where is that detail? 00:21:06,300 S7: Boy, I couldn't tell you. 00:21:08,367 S2: I didn't know if you. I didn't know if you made it in. Uh, there's something someplace you. But I don't know. It looks like a fun place to run. Like it's like Cornwall or something. 00:21:18,467 S7: The deal is in England. Which could. 00:21:19,901 S2: Be. 00:21:20,467 S7: But I don't specifically notice. So I catch you someplace. 00:21:24,801 S2: Yeah. All right. That's awesome. Thank you. Great presentation. 00:21:28,467 S1: All right, well, the chair, Ben Timon has joined us at 648. Now, I'll turn the meeting over to him. 00:21:34,100 S5: Thank you. I appreciate you, Vice Chair Cheeseman, taking over. 00:21:40,100 S4: And thanks, Steve. 00:21:42,100 S1: Thank you. All of B and C are done as well. 00:21:45,400 S5: Oh, terrific. Oh, great. Excellent. Um. Thank you. And my apologies for, uh, for being tardy. The traffic from Boston was a little troublesome. Um, so we're on D. Yes. It's alright. Okay. Uh, item D update on the town hall solar project and request for authorization to sign a system purchase and installation agreement with select energy development folks may be taken. 00:22:09,000 S2: Great. Um, would you have that summary page? 00:22:16,367 S2: Basically. So originally we've been working with Yes. Yes. GE, which is the company that. 00:22:26,567 S2: Is overseeing the HVAC installation. And um, so you know, just basically through, through our due diligence where we're members of a state, um, purchasing power purchasing options program, that the member communities would pay a small fee to be a member of it every year. It's like $100, so certainly would be saved. It's certainly worth it. So just to be on the safe side, we had them back here to review it. And, you know, it looked like that the pricing that we could obtain through purchasing through this, uh, through this program run through the state was significantly more advantageous than numbers were getting through ESG. So what you have before you here and then it changes. It changes that. It changes the deal a little bit. So the that the at the end of the day, a quote is coming in roughly between 250 and $300,000 less than what the BSG quote was. If you remember, the ask was going to be in the sequel to move forward with this. The changes that originally with BSG quote would be looking to raise about $240,000 through the Capital One article in free cash to offset the total project costs, so that the lending portion would align with our current energy expenditure to the town hall. So therefore essentially making a budget neutral. It's not free money, but it's money we're already spending on electricity and fossil fuels. Now electricity to the Geo. And we're just taking that money and we're going to work. We're not just a utility company, we're making our own power, but we're sending it to the lending That is the fiction. So that was that moral. So this end, the gamble was that if this the the deal with ESG fell apart for any reason on the town side between now and, you know, possibly the town deciding not to put forward HGC not given final approval, um, town meeting, not approving a lease to purchase or short term bonding options that we have. Any one of those could build the project and would still kill the project. Uh, that it was a $10,000 gamble, so to speak, that the town was making to, you know, essentially lock ourselves into this 30% IRS tax credit. So which is about $150,000, was $10,000 at risk to make sure that we got in the window, which was December 31st for the IRS tax. So now we have this new agreement for effectively the same solar array, same design, the same panels. Um, that will be that will net net carbon net zero, the tunnel, the energy consumption, uh, for a much lower cost. So they will they will this will eliminate the need for a, uh, capital, uh, capital appropriation request through free cash for town meeting. Uh, but the risk with this one is that you need to essentially guarantee a pay. And we have, uh, located the funds come from the emergency fund transfer, done some modeling to make sure that any additional transfers that we need for budgetary or expenditures be made from other departments through, you know, basically, if projections hold true. So, uh, of about $42,625. 00:26:13,067 S2: So if this deal falls apart. On the town side there. The vendor is obligated to provide. So if we come through there, we need to provide the structure. But it falls apart because of us. But we don't want to do it anymore. We added the clause that protects us. Um, filled it with that one. That's right above. Item system description notwithstanding I at the end of the card service, we should not be binding unless until the town town meeting. Basically, that's where if we go in the ability to raise the appropriate the money to fund this contract, then we're not obligated anyway. But this $42,625 00:26:55,367 S2: deposit is not refundable. So that's really the the difference is that it's much cheaper. The no. $240,000 capital raise, you're risking $10,000. Was that the old deal was $10,000. This one you have $42,000 on the table. 00:27:14,501 S1: So that's does this still, uh, include the federal grant money or. Yes. Right. Yeah. 00:27:23,167 S2: So that's that's kind of the push to get there. So. 00:27:30,000 S5: Okay, so what's the explanation for the increase from the 10,000 to the 42 as the deposit amount. 00:27:39,367 S2: Was going to. Oh, essentially I guess that. Yeah. So the contract we had was I'm not sure of the legal term, but it broke the contract. We were on the hook. 00:27:50,167 S5: $10,000 with ESG. 00:27:52,300 S2: ESG was spending through design and design. Right. Uh, so they and then whatever else needed to be done to get to this 5% threshold project threshold on December 31st. It's not. 00:28:07,667 S5: Selected. 00:28:08,367 S2: To this is not the same. 00:28:11,267 S5: Select is demanding a larger deposit. 00:28:13,567 S2: So we're at risk for the full amount. ESG was at risk for the Delta $32,000. 00:28:23,100 S4: But the total cost of the project is significantly reduced. 00:28:26,667 S2: To 250 $300,000 less. 00:28:28,801 S5: Right. Yeah. Is our climate action team behind us? Yes. 00:28:36,200 S2: Yeah. I mean, this is a, you know, a bunch about. 00:28:41,367 S2: The glass that was, the percentage wise 40% losses. 00:28:47,200 S4: And the risk is really if town meeting doesn't approve. Well, that's that's the only risk point, right. 00:28:55,300 S2: Because we will have to borrow whether it's the lease to purchase agreement or stay in those notes or whatever it is, you know, that we decide we have to fund this sum up. We don't have the Over $80,000 is thought to pay for it, right? 00:29:13,267 S5: What about, um, if there are conditions imposed by 00:29:22,601 S5: the conditions that were imposed by the HTC with its approval? Um, if any of those can't be satisfied. 00:29:35,000 S5: Eh. Have we analyzed whether that's likely to be a problem? And B, if for some reason there was a HTC approval condition that couldn't be satisfied and the project couldn't move forward? That language looks like it wouldn't necessarily protect us because it's, um, tied to the town meeting. 00:29:57,567 S2: Yeah, I mean, that is a that's a fair point. That's a protected area. 00:30:01,868 S5: So what's the state of play on whether we think the HTC approval conditions are, uh, impose any practical stumbling block. 00:30:10,400 S2: They've approved the project conceptually, but reserve the right to. 00:30:20,868 S2: Authorize. Biomaterials. Dimensions. Dimensions. Mhm. Yeah. Adam. There was one review to. 00:30:30,767 S5: Review the plants. They want to review. 00:30:32,667 S4: The aesthetic aspects basically. 00:30:35,767 S5: Right. Yeah. Listen to their their meeting three days ago on video but. 00:30:42,567 S2: Which we could go to and run that notion by JP as well. And it sort of approved the concept of it. But it's these sort of contingencies but it's good. Yeah. So Scott what the question is what to go through. But at least they did consent. Right. Seeing what it looks like. Just have it got to touch the actual Different colors are. 00:31:07,267 S5: What option? 00:31:07,901 S2: To an. 00:31:08,501 S5: Option. Right. 00:31:09,400 S2: Versus. Yeah. So if that's a was a fair concern maybe just to me always take were quite well if I was to work out if it's a boy ever seen. But if the boy is leaning towards moving forward in this direction, granting the authority to say we have, um, may be asking contingent upon game, I'm going to go shoot something in there that gives us self what our way out and uh. 00:31:40,267 S5: HTC yeah, that. 00:31:42,067 S2: Was. 00:31:42,667 S5: Kind of good sketching out lots of time. 00:31:45,100 S4: And then the ask for town meeting would be 00:31:50,300 S4: this 580. 00:31:53,801 S4: 580 minus the tax credit. 00:32:01,367 S2: I don't know the answer, but it's certainly 580 minus the tax credit. But whether we have to re-up kids or. 00:32:08,000 S4: Okay. 00:32:11,467 S9: Fine. Do you mind if I answer that? 00:32:12,868 S2: Yeah. 00:32:13,100 S6: Please. 00:32:14,267 S4: Yeah. 00:32:14,501 S9: So we will have to add the five and then we tax credit into the next year. 00:32:22,167 S2: Sorry. 00:32:22,767 S4: Wait. Sorry. I'm having trouble hearing. Hang on. Is that as high as you can go later. Sorry, Kate. Can you say that one more time? 00:32:33,467 S9: We will have to raise the $580,000, and then the tax credit will be 174,261. We will not get that until almost a year later. 00:32:45,167 S4: Okay. But the amount is certain. 00:32:48,367 S9: Yeah. 00:32:49,767 S4: Thanks. So we have to front that money basically. 00:32:55,467 S8: Right. 00:32:56,767 S1: But then we anticipate. So that takes it from 580 down to Ashur costs about 400,000 on our end, and we're anticipating that that 400,000 will be essentially balanced off by reduced utility bills over what, 20 year period we're looking at, or. 00:33:18,567 S2: Yeah, it would be this project would be about a neutral rate without. 00:33:22,567 S1: In the long term. Right. 00:33:24,067 S2: Yeah. We'll even. Yeah. I mean, you're not going to realize that it's not a savings play, right? It's a carbon neutral play that is not costing us any more than we're already spending on our utilities. 00:33:39,300 S9: Yes. And selective on saying that it should probably pay for itself within 10 to 12 years. They'll have the exact numbers for me on there, but it will definitely be for my sister. 00:33:54,767 S10: Okay. 00:34:01,000 S1: So, Kate, do you know, often do municipal solar projects qualify for, uh, Shrek or the, uh, from the utilities as they seek to have, uh, renewable energy credits? 00:34:20,567 S9: You know what, Gary? I don't know what that is. I'm sorry, because I don't. 00:34:24,467 S2: I don't know that answer. 00:34:25,567 S1: So I know, you know, private residences. If you put the solar on. Yeah. Can consolidate your energy production, carbon credits and National grid buys in front of you in order to meet their 10% state law requirement in lieu of building more plants themselves. So the question is, do the municipalities have any sort of an ongoing credit that we could anticipate getting back from National Grid if we could sell the trips? 00:34:58,567 S2: Yeah, I know. 00:34:59,767 S1: Something. 00:35:00,167 S2: Just something to look like. Yeah, it's a good question. I don't have to answer to. 00:35:05,567 S6: Yeah. 00:35:07,801 S9: Oh. I'm sorry. 00:35:09,868 S2: Yeah. I'm wondering. You're kind of all included in the whole thing. If they're doing that in the background, that's how I get the pricing, but I don't know. 00:35:19,000 S1: So certainly if we have, uh, we're essentially price neutral now and, uh, carbon benefits and I should take, uh, you know, we can work with HTC to make sure this gets moving through for something that's really going to be out of sight anyhow up in the hill. So I'm in favor. 00:35:40,868 S6: Kate has. 00:35:41,868 S4: Agreed. Kate? Yeah. Has her hand up again. Ben. 00:35:44,868 S5: Kate. 00:35:46,367 S9: Gary. Thank you for explaining that to me. Yes. So if we if the system generates more power, then we will get a national grid. 00:35:59,767 S5: I said one other. I'm in support of this, as I've just said a few other questions. So, um, I think you noted in an email that, um, an attorney at Cape Law who Rick and Rick is kind of the their solar guy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, were there provisions that he or changes that he pushed for that were rejected by the vendor? And like, what's your sense of whether we got contractual changes that we asked for? It was mentioned to me that, um, there were some indemnification provisions that maybe we wanted changed or added that they wouldn't do. So I don't know if this. 00:36:45,167 S2: As far, you know, like our conversation with Rick was that he was he's done a lot of these contracts with um, select their provider through the purchasing program. The number of communities that do it. This is their standard contract. Usually dozens of them are the fabric house whose initial requests and they end up landing in the same place. Right? He is satisfied with the way the contract is now. Yeah, that's not to say couldn't be stronger in our position. Yeah, it could be. 00:37:25,701 S5: Right. But we're under sort of a bit of a deadline. Yeah, right. We need to get this approved by the end of the year. 00:37:32,567 S4: Yes. 00:37:34,367 S2: Right. Yes. 00:37:36,467 S5: So, um, would there be an appetite for moving to approve this? But as you were just suggesting, Steve, subject to, um, refinement of the notwithstanding anything in the contrary clause in the middle of page one to encompass all other other necessary town approvals. 00:38:01,501 S2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, why stop at the HTC where they're expecting. Yeah, Butters. Right. 00:38:08,400 S5: So we could work together on that afterwards and maybe find some language that works for everybody. Yeah. Um. All right. Any other discussion? Questions? 00:38:20,801 S4: Just thank you to the team for getting us to this point. Um, we're definitely worried. 00:38:28,400 S6: Kate. 00:38:29,367 S4: Jo and. 00:38:29,801 S6: Kate. 00:38:30,667 S2: That Kate's picked up the ball. But Joe has also done it to, uh, you know, through a number of HTC meetings that Kate has spent a lot of time working with select and getting this reviewed and, uh, this done and you guys. So. 00:38:48,467 S5: Yeah. 00:38:48,868 S4: Yeah. Thank you. I wasn't sure we would get to this point, honestly. 00:38:52,567 S6: So yeah. 00:38:53,667 S5: We're at the. 00:38:54,167 S4: We're at the tremendous. 00:38:55,367 S5: One foot line. 00:38:56,067 S4: We're at. Right. Exactly. We're in the end zone. 00:39:00,267 S5: Um, Joe, is there anybody, um, on zoom who has their hand up, wants to talk? There's none. 00:39:08,467 S2: Okay, great. 00:39:10,100 S5: So I'd entertain a motion to approve the draft contract with Select Energy that was presented to us today. I'm with, um, final revisions to be handled by the town administrator, including, uh, potential rewording of. 00:39:42,767 S5: The paragraph that immediately precedes item 1.0 in the contract on page one. 00:39:49,767 S1: So moved. 00:39:51,000 S6: By your. 00:39:52,367 S5: Great, uh. Peter? Yes. Deirdre. Yes, Gary? 00:39:56,100 S1: Yes. 00:39:56,467 S5: And Ben is. Yes. 00:39:58,901 S6: Oh, it's Kate. Oh. 00:40:01,701 S5: Hi, Kate. 00:40:04,367 S8: Don't talk us out of it. 00:40:06,267 S6: What's that? 00:40:07,467 S9: I just said thank you for letting me speak again. 00:40:09,767 S6: Sure. 00:40:10,367 S9: So I'm just wondering, does this mean that if we can't get that provision changed, that we would not go forward with this? And the reason why I'm asking is because selective sending out, um, you know, engineers in, in their incurring their own cost on this. So I'm not sure if I can get them, actually. 00:40:34,300 S6: Right. 00:40:35,467 S5: Yeah, I don't think. 00:40:37,200 S9: Um. Are we saying you're adopting it forward if we can't get it changed? 00:40:43,167 S5: No, I don't think that wasn't what we voted. At least in my mind. I think we said potential Revision. 00:40:49,367 S1: Yeah. We empowered the town administrator to attempt to make those changes. Yes, but otherwise move forward with the project. 00:40:55,868 S6: Right. 00:40:56,400 S9: Great. 00:40:56,767 S6: Thank you so much. 00:40:57,701 S5: Yeah. Thanks. All right. That moves us to item. Uh, well, so now we need to vote on a down payment. Is that right? Item discussion and potential vote to request the fin com release funds for the select energy projects. Down payment. That's the 41,000 that you referenced. 00:41:17,267 S6: Yeah. Okay. 00:41:17,901 S8: I move to request. 00:41:19,000 S11: The finance and advisory committee to release funds for the sole select energy project down payment. 00:41:26,000 S6: So. 00:41:27,467 S5: Gary. 00:41:28,167 S1: Yes. 00:41:28,767 S5: Deirdre. Yes, Peter. Yes and yes. Great. 00:41:32,767 S1: All right. Quick question. When does income meet? 00:41:35,367 S6: Tomorrow. 00:41:35,901 S1: Tomorrow. 00:41:38,367 S5: All right. F um, discussion and potential vote to rescind the prior request to the fin com for a $25,000 grant to a court. So, as everyone knows, we had a meeting about a month ago when the government shut down, um, was still ongoing and Snap benefits were being with delayed, threatened, etc. and we voted to make $25,000 available to accord to help support people in need, um, who were affected by that situation. Um, the situation resolved in November, uh, when Snap was fully funded through mostly through efforts of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And so the money was not transferred. And, um, and so this motion, if it's made and approved, would be to, uh, undo the request of the Pinkham For that $25,000 to sit in the selectmen, the board of the Select Board line item where it could have been deployed to a court and instead, I believe, would revert back to free cash. Is that right? Or to. 00:43:01,000 S6: Or to the reserve or. 00:43:02,367 S5: To the reserve fund? Sorry. 00:43:03,467 S6: The reserve fund. 00:43:04,200 S5: Right. And I don't think if we do this, it would not prevent us from going through the same process that we went through in November. Should that be necessary based on circumstances at the federal level? 00:43:19,767 S8: Are you ready for a motion? 00:43:21,467 S5: Yeah, I think so. 00:43:22,801 S8: Go ahead. 00:43:25,000 S4: Move to rescind the prior request to fin com for the $25,000 grant to Acord seven. 00:43:33,100 S5: Gary. 00:43:33,701 S1: Yes. 00:43:34,067 S5: Deirdre. 00:43:34,567 S6: Yes. Peter. 00:43:35,467 S5: Yes. And. Ben. Yes. Thank you. All right. Um, item G, discussion and potential vote on adding any additional Select board budget requests for FY 27. 00:43:47,000 S2: So this is subject to the request that came up at agenda item at the, um, the budget hearing back on Saturday. But there was a few things and Gary could jump in. But there's um, there's a couple of things we do that probably want to be budgeted for specifically, such as we grant, we donate, but it shouldn't be that it should be a grant for, uh, because the concert in the park that, um, we made the donation to, we have pride, but we, uh, pride tied together. We, uh. And then, uh, Gary has been brought to my attention on the board. May want to consider is to sponsor a food project participant. I believe that that child that that inner city child that they can come up and participate in the food project. And the cost is about is it 5000? Gary. 00:44:48,667 S1: Uh, I think the request was, was it $6,560? 00:44:56,367 S2: Um, and, you know, in addition to that, and we have a discussion that this, that Gordon wants to have is, you know, maybe establishing an employee appreciation line item, looking at some of the other communities and just going through the, uh, holiday party now, maybe a line item to help offset some of the costs, doing things like maybe a lunch or holiday party or something. Really. Cleaves, uh, off the board would be about $1,500 or something like that that could enable us to rent. To all I know, some of the barriers have been always red the hall and catering to folks. Uh, yeah. Yeah. Like that's fair. Like bought generously donated some money to offset. It's still there. You know, some folks don't have the money to attend or I've spent the money. So being able to do something at no cost one time a year or even, you know, twice a year as well, thank you or somebody or something over the summer. I think we'll go a long way. 00:46:02,100 S4: What's the amount other communities typically. 00:46:04,968 S2: Uh, Ableton does 2000. Uh, probably communities just have it. It's paid for out of like the managers slash general expenses without issue. But I feel like a small town like this probably should have it more specifically called out in the budget. 00:46:26,267 S11: Makes sense. 00:46:26,901 S2: But still in. 00:46:27,467 S6: One. 00:46:29,000 S5: So we have the 6500. 00:46:30,701 S1: Sorry. Yeah. So you actually have two things here. Right. You're establishing one a budget line for select board grants to nonprofits or other groups in or out of town, and then separately, a select board controlled through the town administrator budget line for employee recognition. 00:46:57,267 S6: Get it right. 00:46:58,767 S2: And I think that the contact that grants the three that we mentioned, um, may based up our council when we're talking about the, the, the, the a court donation or grant that may need to be specific in that it may make sense to have it as, uh, capital appropriation or as grant as separate through free cash. So that way it's not rely upon the, uh, restrained expenditure in the operating budget. It's like the clearer way to call it out. I'm not sure. If it doesn't. If that doesn't matter. Like I don't like. How to say my preference. As to how they would like to have it. 00:47:46,467 S1: Well, I should think if you put it through the free cash route that it's, uh, perhaps a little bit more, uh, appetizing to town meeting as here's no leftover money, as we know, but here's available money that we can put to this immediate good purpose rather than, you know, trying to wiggle it in under a 2.5% cap or something. 00:48:13,400 S2: Yeah, I agree, especially that we. 00:48:15,467 S6: Have. 00:48:17,000 S2: Maybe some pressures this year as we move through the current season. Right? Moving this into a budget, you know, the other day, you're still raising appropriately the total amount. But at the end of April but certainly coming from a different pocket would would be helpful. 00:48:33,667 S5: Well, last year we, um, established, uh, I think it was a $1,000 line item for select board spending, which was sort of the idea was to have some events. And Gary and I did want to get information, um, was that in the budget or. 00:48:53,000 S6: In the budget? 00:48:53,667 S5: And it's in the budget for next year. Yeah. Okay. Because we didn't really I don't think we spent it this year. Uh, we didn't we didn't incur any expenses that had been town expenses. That had been fromage. We didn't know and I don't think there was any other. 00:49:08,167 S2: Yeah. 00:49:09,000 S6: Okay. 00:49:10,000 S5: Yeah. 00:49:10,367 S4: So why don't we shift that? 00:49:11,968 S5: Yeah. I was sort of thinking maybe we zero that one out and that's $1,000 that would go towards the employee appreciation. 00:49:19,167 S6: Yeah. 00:49:19,801 S5: Because I think it's a good belt tightening thing and it's a trade off. And um, I mean, we only did the one event you and I had a great afternoon catching up and talking, solving the world's problems. 00:49:34,000 S1: But not too much public participation. 00:49:36,667 S5: Yeah. No. No one, no constituents attended. Or if they did attend. It was pure happenstance that they happened to go into the village for some other reason and wondered what was going on outside. But anyways, um, so I'm not sure that that we, you know, would spend that money next year. 00:49:55,701 S6: But yeah. 00:49:57,567 S5: All right. So, um, there's no there's no motion to make. Or is it enough just to give you that guidance and you'll put that in the proposed budget? 00:50:08,067 S6: Yeah. Yeah, I know. 00:50:08,868 S2: If anything else, it's like I have been thinking, um, I just forget this kind of. We'll be out of that stuff too. 00:50:15,067 S6: Yeah. 00:50:16,200 S2: Yeah. Conditions. Anyways, I think we'll just go either way. 00:50:22,467 S1: And we already did, uh, have the line for park maintenance is in there, right? 00:50:31,868 S2: Yes. The park maintenance is $15,000. It's in trees in the presentation, but it's gotta be filed. 00:50:42,267 S5: All right, that moves us to item H, which we're going to defer until our next meeting in January. Discussion and potential vote on updates of the snow snow removal policy. Ben. Yes. 00:50:55,467 S6: What I was, uh, Daryl was right. The syllable. Yeah, yeah. We shouldn't discuss it until we have a major snow. About to see how it works. Because we are. We are changing how we operate. 00:51:11,667 S5: Well, right. 00:51:12,167 S6: I think well, well. So at our last meeting and this week, well, our next meeting to be after we have a. 00:51:19,868 S5: Significant. 00:51:20,467 S6: Snow. 00:51:21,067 S5: Right. But I think the policy the policy hasn't changed. I think that there's going to be a discussion at the board level as to whether to change the policy based on, I think, the working groups recommendation. 00:51:35,000 S2: But the policy has to be changed. 00:51:36,868 S6: It's a. 00:51:37,467 S5: Yeah. 00:51:38,000 S6: Um, but how? 00:51:40,067 S5: Yeah. Well, how? Right. And so and Karen. 00:51:42,100 S6: We know after we have this right, it's not done. 00:51:44,701 S5: Right. 00:51:45,100 S6: So go ahead. 00:51:46,367 S4: DPW can't change what we agreed to last year unless we revised the policy until the full board agrees. So the working group is making recommendations that those recommendations don't hold until the full board is reviewed and approved. 00:52:04,000 S5: And Karen and Karen request. 00:52:05,868 S6: That's the way he's operating. 00:52:08,901 S2: Yeah, well, he's waiting for the policy to change. That's right. Like we we talked about the slight port. I'll bring the recommendations. And that was that looks like boards have to restart the discussion until there's a five of you folks take a vote to actually change it. Bridge, you know, is operating under the existing policy. Give us we get direction. 00:52:36,667 S6: Right. 00:52:37,501 S2: That's what you read, right? 00:52:38,601 S5: And Karen Agger, who as you know, is a member of the working group with you, asked Steve and I today because because she couldn't be here tonight to not take this up. Um, because she wants to comment on she wants, I think, to advocate for changing the policy as the working group, um, has discussed. But so that was that was why we were going to defer it. And yeah. And so for now, the status. 00:53:11,701 S6: Quo. 00:53:12,367 S5: Holds. And, um, if there is a snowstorm between now and the time that we talk about it, then we'll have additional data to look at. But but the DPW would not be following the, um, working group policy for that because the Select board will have to vote on it. By the way, the the list of roads with school kids on it. That was really interesting. 00:53:37,467 S2: Yeah. Well, I thought it would be helpful to the conversation. 00:53:40,100 S5: Yeah. All right. How many people live on Maple? We spoke that long? 00:53:45,968 S4: I know it's patch. 00:53:47,200 S5: Yeah. Well, the young families, school kids. Um. All right, so we're going to move on, um, to item I, which is discussion and potential vote to authorize the town administrator to sign the intermunicipal agreement between the city of Gloucester and the towns of Rockport, Manchester by the sea, Hamilton and Wenham for the district Veterans Service Office, effective fiscal year 26 through fiscal year 28. 00:54:13,100 S2: So this is this is something that's been involved in this agreement for some time. It's obviously that there's a 10.26 through 28 somewhere already in the FY 26 by a few months. So 4 or 5 months. Um, and basically what what this office does, it fills the need. A lot of communities will have a veteran service office in there, and they're actually required to have both communities and pull together their resources and participate in something like this, where the Veterans District Service Office hours is located at the Gloucester, the post community and what this what these specific offices do. Uh, you know, in the city halls, the larger town halls and regional district offices throughout the Commonwealth is provide a resource to veterans and their families or to help access things like, uh, you know, veteran health care, uh, any sort of state or federal and local incentives. Uh, they're pretty well versed on, um, you know, even just locals like real estate tax exemptions. They'll stuff like that. They. They'll send it to the various assessors and they're really just well versed on everything. All the benefits that are available to our veterans. I got to serve as a home, um, up to them. 00:55:39,067 S7: Okay. 00:55:39,667 S1: Well, then you've probably seen it on the events committee that, uh, we do have very good service from the Gloucester office that, uh, the representative is out here on the monthly basis and is always available by phone and so forth. 00:55:55,601 S5: Right. Yeah, they seem to they have their finger on the pulse of one on two, and then they have these larger communities V up around that letter. And then there's a new, a different gentleman who's come for the last few of that. Um, all right. So I'll entertain a motion. 00:56:17,467 S1: For the move to authorize the town administrator to sign the intermunicipal agreement between the City of Gloucester and the towns of Rockport, Manchester by the city, Hamilton and Wenham for the District Veteran Service Office, effective for fiscal year 26 through fiscal year 28. 00:56:35,067 S4: Second. 00:56:36,467 S5: I will take a roll call. Peter. Yes, Deirdre. Yes, Gary. Yes. And Ben is. Yes. Thank you. And that moves us to item J. Discussion of Eric Tracy's November 6th, 2025 memo to the School Committee, including the position paper he submitted to mass DC. The board will also consider sending a letter of support for his position, but maybe take it. 00:56:57,100 S2: So a high level review of that is that all all school districts in Massachusetts receive funding from the state to help offset their monetary needs. A large majority of that is chapter 70. I believe there are other smaller components of that. Um, but at the end of the day, you're just really looking at the pool of cash that the state gives each district to help on that curriculum. And, um, there is a relatively complex formula that goes into quantifying how much each district has. And, um, given, you know what? I'm paying Hamilton's small town status in relatively affluent community, uh, in comparison to the rest of Massachusetts, we are, uh, we basically receive these the smallest amount possible. And what Eric's letter tried to point out was that although the state has passed a number of initiatives that are trying to equalize the um, state funding of education, that, you know, that he believes and, you know, it makes a lot of sense that but being disproportionately penalized because of the formula, and that the formula is effectively capping us at a level that's not allowing us to access these additional funding parameters that are coming out through the chapter funding, chapter 70 public. So, you know, with that, he highlighted some alternatives to state that look out, such as changing the formula and also looking at specific districts or the regional, regional districts which have additional burdens placed, such as mandatory transportation. So the transportation costs are much higher for regional district. They span multiple communities and also those regional specific. But the state has required, you know, curriculum requires special education. And, um, you know, these the the year over year cost increases. Of these requirements is, you know, not only is inflation outpacing about the contribution the state is making, but they're placing requirements of service that year over year continue to grow at a pace much greater than what their funding source is supplying. So, you know, this is basically his his submission to fast DC for them to review the formula and try to, you know, make a change because these smaller towns like we're not alone, but a lot of smaller towns in in Massachusetts that, you know, our budgets are, you know, 50, 60 plus percent education. And with the use we're seeing now, they've got, you know, they've got year over year cost increase. This is ten, 10%. And it's just not it's not sustainable. So that's where two of that is. support supports it. I can write a letter in support. Myself. On behalf of the board. Or you can break back a letter at a later time. You feel like you want to be seeing the final version. 01:00:31,400 S5: He preference on those options. 01:00:34,601 S1: I would just say I think Eric's intention was to get that letter delivered sooner rather than later. 01:00:44,267 S4: Yeah. Is there a time frame? 01:00:46,467 S2: Do you have a time frame? 01:00:49,267 S12: How long would it take you to write the letter tomorrow? 01:00:54,567 S5: Yeah. I mean, basically your letter could just be more or less. Town of Wenham supports. 01:00:59,801 S2: Yeah, that's. 01:01:00,267 S5: What the superintendent said. 01:01:01,467 S2: Reiterates. Yeah. Well, Pete. 01:01:03,667 S1: Yeah, that's uh, that's Steve draft it and then. But I do think that the board, you know, we ought to put our signatures on it for additional weight. 01:01:14,200 S2: So you can. 01:01:18,567 S2: Skip that before you can get like okay that's fine. 01:01:22,968 S5: All right. So I would entertain a motion to, um, have a letter prepared and sent to Massachusetts, D.C. in support of Eric Tracy's November 6th, 2025 memorandum to be drafted by the town administrator with um review and review and signatures by members of the Select Board. Um, without further votes or action by this. 01:01:59,868 S1: So moved. 01:02:03,467 S5: Is there a second? 01:02:04,767 S4: Second. 01:02:05,467 S5: Okay. 01:02:08,367 S5: You were sort of like. You should have just ended it. And midway through, 01:02:14,868 S5: I take a call. Peter. Peter. Yes. Gary. Yes. Daniel. Yes. Okay. Dennis. Yes. Well, we can't end before 730. We, you know, try to drag in chapter 730. Yeah, exactly. Um. All right. Um. 01:02:35,467 S2: Yeah. 01:02:37,167 S4: You're killing me. 01:02:37,901 S13: All right. 01:02:39,300 S5: Old business. There's no old business. There's no further new business. So someone like to move to adjourn. 01:02:47,100 S1: Just a meeting schedule. Oh, yeah. Confirm it for January. 01:02:53,100 S2: And. 01:02:55,601 S1: 20th. 01:02:56,567 S2: Okay. 01:03:00,501 S1: All right. And, uh, we got a quintuple meeting. Anything coming up in January as well? Right. 01:03:05,868 S4: Later in January. Right. 01:03:07,467 S5: Yeah. Yeah. There's an I'll cherish meeting tomorrow. 01:03:11,100 S1: Okay. 01:03:12,167 S5: Yeah. All right. All right. So the sixth and the 20th. Some reason I had 13th and 27th. That was like old date. Space time biweekly. Okay. 01:03:23,767 S4: Move to adjourn. 7:33 p.m.. 01:03:26,167 S1: Second. 01:03:26,901 S5: Peter. Yes. Deirdre. Yes. Gary. Yes. Ben. Is. Yes. Joe. Another short one. Oh, yeah. I'll see this thing. You sure? 01:03:36,100 S4: Okay. 01:03:36,767 S1: Are we there? Recording? 01:03:38,267 S5: Yep. 01:03:39,100 S1: All right. It's 630. And welcome to the Select Board agenda meeting for December 16th, 2025. It's an in-person meeting. We're located at Council on Aging, ten School Street. One, a mass in attendance. Peter Clay and myself, Gary Cheeseman establishing a quorum for tonight's meeting. 01:04:02,467 S1: All right. Please be advised that this meeting is being recorded and be available for later for you. Is that correct? Yes. Sorry. 01:04:14,100 S2: It's an in-person meeting. 01:04:15,567 S1: In-person meeting? No. Otherwise. All right, so let's move on to public input purpose for public comment on matters falling within the jurisdiction of the Selectboard and not on the current agenda. Public comment on specific agenda items for the public comment period will be deferred until the items are reached. Two minutes per person and person to speak once and ten minutes total. Uh, do we have anybody on line? 01:04:47,367 S2: No answer is sorry in person. 01:04:51,300 S1: All right, let's move on, then. To, uh, town administrator's update and ten announcements. 01:04:57,667 S2: Just a couple of brief updates tonight. First is pretty, pretty big news, I guess the small way, but so that the rich Sousa bought a salt show that is now in front of the DPW, directly in front of the DPW facility down at the Iron Rail. So outside the gate is a lot. Um, so I know folks are you know, I've already been asking quite a bit about, you know, right now, sand and salt. So, uh, we've always provided sandy salt to Wynnum residents, but that driveway had some spin block waves and things like that. But, uh, the problem is, is it's only been available when the DPW was open, so now it'll be available 24 hours a day, seven days a week to residents. And it's in the salt shed, so it's not going to get wet and salt into the rock. So yeah, you just set that up today. So I thought that was pretty cool. Well we'll put that out. Um, yeah. 01:05:55,400 S1: Um, social. 01:05:55,901 S2: Media and the and the, uh, the signboard. Um, so then we have, uh, so town hall update will be closing the Town Hall on the 18th at noon for the holiday party. It'll also be fun to get that done by the 24th Avenue for, uh, to start up just about Christmas. Uh, you will have to start at Christmas and rush. And as far as the HVAC goes, this will possibly be my final update before installation. Yeah. 01:06:33,567 S7: Sorry. 01:06:34,467 S2: Awesome. So maybe maybe there'll be one more. But basically, they are completely done. The system is operational. They're still closing up the ceiling in the breakroom on the second floor. So that's why we're still on the first floor. We could move up there, but we opted to stay out of each other's way and just let them finish up in the entirety of the anticipation that will be ready to move up on the Monday. We come back after the first of the year. Uh, but, uh, you have that very seriously. But all in all, I think the project quite well had been to work out a few little kinks, which are to be expected with the thermostat and the temperature ranges that were fluctuating, but they kind of narrow that down on this project. And just for the public's information and just like going back, they'll be aware of it. Three males that will be opening the you are at the first meeting in January. So live here and it will stay open to the first meeting December 1st, first first meeting in February, roughly 30 days. Uh, as in farce. What is my name is done. So O'Dwyer I put a little information on how to set the, um, submit any, uh, public requests for foreign articles for the Select Corps review or through uh, citizens petition process, which is a lot and many residents here in town. For more information on the website through The Wire campaign, have any additional questions? Feel free to contact the board's office. And that is all I have. 01:08:12,367 S1: Well, I'll go down the line. And Peter. 01:08:17,100 S1: I'll just say that, you know, driving around town, things like very holiday ish with the lights up and particularly have to send kudos out to the chief, uh, Steve Cavanaugh and Natalie on the one of the best dressed houses around. 01:08:31,467 S4: Great. 01:08:33,367 S1: Very well done on the chairs. Reports like reports, minutes. Do we have any further corrections to the minutes? 01:08:45,300 S1: Can we get the motion then. 01:08:47,000 S4: Move to approve the consent agenda as printed in this evening's agenda? 01:08:52,267 S5: Second. 01:08:54,000 S1: Any further discussion? None. Then roll call. Vote. Gary. Yes. 01:08:59,067 S4: Deirdre. 01:09:00,300 S1: Yes. All right. Consent agenda is approved. 01:09:16,667 S1: Do you want to go? Aye. Or do we have someone going to speak to us on a. 01:09:22,567 S4: Yes, we do, but do you want to do the. 01:09:25,467 S1: Yeah, I was going to say. Well, I would do the licenses. Yeah. How about that, Steve? Yeah. Okay. So let's, uh, go ahead with the, uh, licenses and the, uh, used car dealer license renewals first. 01:09:41,300 S2: Okay. I move. 01:09:42,300 S1: To approve. 01:09:43,067 S5: The 2026 annual. 01:09:44,901 S2: Used car. 01:09:45,367 S12: Dealer license for Burnett's garage. 01:09:48,200 S1: Second. Neighbor. Second. 01:09:51,000 S4: Second. 01:09:52,267 S1: Any comments? I just say well established and. 01:09:57,367 S4: 100%. 01:09:58,267 S1: High reputation business in town for decades now. Thank you. 01:10:02,968 S4: Yes, I can attest to that. Yes. 01:10:05,367 S1: All right then, uh, moved in second in. And the vote. Peter. Yes. Deidre. Yes, Gary. Yes. Thank you. 01:10:14,167 S5: To the. 01:10:14,367 S2: Crew. 01:10:14,667 S5: Of the. 01:10:15,367 S12: 26th Annual Used Car Dealer License Performance. 01:10:18,467 S2: Auto. 01:10:18,767 S12: Service. 01:10:19,901 S1: Second comments. Questions now. Roll call. Vote. Gary. Yes. 01:10:25,868 S4: Deirdre. Yes. 01:10:26,868 S1: Yes. 01:10:29,567 S12: And moved the 2026. An unused car dealer license for Freemans garage. 01:10:35,667 S4: Second. 01:10:37,367 S1: Can you comments? As I said, Steve, uh, I had positive, uh, police and, uh, inspection reports. Is that correct? That's correct. 01:10:48,100 S2: All required inspection. Does that make it a problem? All right. 01:10:53,167 S1: Sounds good. Then the roll call. Yes. 01:10:56,100 S4: Yes. 01:10:56,701 S1: Peter. 01:10:57,000 S12: Yes. 01:10:58,367 S1: All right, so that completes the, uh. 01:11:03,167 S1: The dealer licenses. Let me ask. Did you want to say anything or. 01:11:06,501 S12: I have. 01:11:06,801 S1: Nothing. Okay. Very well. Thank you. You're good for another year, then. 01:11:10,367 S4: Thanks. 01:11:11,367 S1: Thanks. All right. 01:11:13,667 S12: Move to approve the 2026 annual Liquor license renewal. Town liquor. 01:11:20,100 S4: Second. Second. 01:11:21,367 S1: So, uh, did we ever get any update on why it took so long to get in compliance with the signage and so forth? 01:11:29,501 S2: The only update I received was miscommunication between the property owner and the business. 01:11:36,000 S1: Good, sir. All right. 01:11:38,167 S2: That's what I would do. All right, that's all. That's all I have. Well, ultimately, the signs are down. It's still down as far as I know, but. Yeah. Yes. You were told was the reason for the delay. Very well. 01:11:50,567 S1: So motion? None. Peter. 01:11:52,667 S5: I did. 01:11:53,000 S1: Much. Oh, you did okay. Got a second? All right. Sorry. Then, uh. Roll call. Vote, then. Gary. Yes. 01:11:59,267 S4: Deirdre. Yes. 01:12:00,167 S5: Peter. 01:12:00,501 S12: Yes. 01:12:01,367 S1: And the next one. 01:12:02,801 S12: Moved to approve the 2026 annual liquor license renewal for July. 01:12:08,167 S1: 2nd. Comments? Roll call. Vote. Gary. Yes. 01:12:13,501 S4: Deirdre. Yes. 01:12:14,467 S12: Yes. All right. Move to approve the 2026 annual license. License renewal for Wyland Provisions. Doing business as Matt from June 2nd. 01:12:26,767 S1: Any comments? Gary says yes. 01:12:29,901 S4: Deirdre. Yes. 01:12:31,167 S12: Peter says. 01:12:31,801 S1: Yes. All right. So that is the annual liquor license renewal is complete. 01:12:38,567 S4: Uh, maybe do the cycling. 01:12:41,667 S1: Yeah. So let's, uh, jump back up to a. So there's Cory Irons of Adventure Cycling Association Presenting a proposal. Designate a route through one as Bicycle Route one so we can carry into a sticky motor. Yep. Yep. That's. Sam. 01:13:07,868 S5: Yes. Hi, Kerry. Can you hear. 01:13:09,000 S12: Us? 01:13:10,167 S4: Can you unmute? 01:13:11,400 S1: You're muted there, Karen. 01:13:17,767 S4: Do you want to see. 01:13:24,667 S4: Nope. 01:13:25,367 S7: Sorry. My microphone is. 01:13:26,467 S4: Off. There we go. 01:13:29,000 S7: Can you see my slide when I ended up? Or I need to do something differently. 01:13:32,467 S12: I don't think we need to see the slides. I was just curious which roads in Wenham are you talking about? 01:13:38,567 S4: Yeah, let them do that. 01:13:40,200 S12: Really? Okay. 01:13:43,868 S7: Just a second. 01:13:48,200 S7: So basically it would use the top ski open in your cabin from Old Virgil Road, coming in from Boxford, and conceal linear content to Danvers so that the route is already. 01:14:11,667 S7: Already in place with the East Coast Greenway. 01:14:17,667 S7: And this would be basically a duplicate. 01:14:25,000 S7: Code designation of the East Coast Greenway and U.S. Bicycle Route one. People often ask what was the difference? So the East Coast Greenway is, if you will, a privately mapped route that, uh, that, uh, uh, follows as much as they can on trails to about a quarter that is, is also typically and then but the rest of it is desirable. They have gotten permission. I agree. That's true. Every agency along the way. So they have an agreement that is already in agreement. These, quote. Greenway's use of the seal is common, and we're asking to do the same thing for us. Bicycle. Basically, the East Coast Greenway, U.S. Bicycle Route one would be the same. Uh, the U.S. Bicycle Route is recognized by the feds through Aashto. If you were that the American Association of State Highway Transportation officials. Uh, but, yeah, as far as as far as the route you went and it's it's on the linear path. 01:15:31,100 S5: I couldn't understand that. What do you say? 01:15:32,901 S4: The Topsfield linear commons. 01:15:34,868 S1: The rails, the trail. 01:15:36,367 S4: The rail trail, the trail. 01:15:39,767 S7: Yeah. Maybe it has a different name. But Google Maps says it's the Topsfield linear comp. 01:15:49,367 S4: So do you want to just go through your slides? 01:15:52,367 S1: Yeah. So the public can see what it's in a little bit more detail. You'll talk us through the slides. 01:15:59,267 S7: Yeah. So I'll just. Not the easiest thing at this point I think because I'm not fighting the share screen. But you're particular. This is a different version of zoom than the one I used. Ask me. So can you see the slides? 01:16:12,300 S2: Can you see the slides? 01:16:14,767 S7: Yes I can. 01:16:15,467 S2: Okay. So we can. 01:16:16,467 S7: Slide. 01:16:16,767 S2: Now we can navigate. 01:16:17,868 S7: The slide with you. I'm with the Adventure Cycling Association. We're a non-profit 50,000 member nonprofit. Our mission is to inspire power and connect people to travel by bicycle. And that's what we do. We have a mapped route network similar in concept to the East Coast Greenway covers the whole country. We sell maps. We run organize tours. We have nights, we do national advocacy. And then beyond that, we are. 01:16:46,367 S7: Technical support organisation two Astro for the US micro Amber. Next slide please. 01:16:55,767 S7: So this is a national plan. Um, it represents, uh, well over 50,000 miles one week. The dashed lines are proposed corridors and the, uh, solid lines needed. That's currently over 24,000 miles. We had just a thousand times this year and last year. Uh, and if you look, uh, it's a little hard. If you look at Massachusetts. Yes, the U.S. take about one, but, uh, proposing to complete across the entire state. Next slide please. 01:17:37,567 S7: So just a little history for us back real close to you. A certain age may remember there was a spike boom in the United States in the 1970s, and the state bureau chief walked out, said he'd be out of nationals as well. And then, of course, the bicycle went via the national network of Federal Highways and the national network of Interstate Highways. So in 1982, the first round designated the program went silent after that. So that was us by prop one in that case in Virginia, at North Carolina in U.S. Bike Route 76. And, you know, all right, Kentucky and Virginia. But in 2004, Asheville said, hey, we got to get this going again. Uh, adventures like to join their task force, which was the task force of federal highways. Uh, obviously, some key state Dot's. The East Coast Greenway was involved. Uh, Mississippi River trail was involved. And in 2008, asked to approve that corridor that you just saw. 2011 the first two routes were designated um in 14. MassDOT designated 38 miles of us by dark line and a couple of different pieces just on trails. And then in 2016, they designated U.S. seven, which is on the west side of the state, following the Western New England Greenway, which goes through Massachusetts and Vermont all the way. 64. Next slide please. So in order for the US bike Grant to be designated, MassDOT submits an application to Asco. And in that application, Marsden says all of the facility owners for the payment are in support. And what that means is each agency along the route, each jurisdiction needs to tell us that they support the designation. And I'll explain what that involves. So if it's cycling volunteers, which is essentially me, but working with the East Coast Greenway folks and with Mass Bike, we're reaching out to the 35 jurisdictions along the route to get there. But we. We just started a month ago. We've already got an answer. We're pretty optimistic about this process. Next slide. 01:19:53,400 S7: And as I said before, the East Coast Greenway and us by the code is in the stratosphere of linear comments is is what. And so, uh, what would be used in when you already have an agreement with East Coast Greenway. Next slide please. 01:20:14,801 S7: And this is basically a map of it's coming in for boxer following the, the uh, the bike route. You can see that in there. It's a dashed line. And then down into Danvers. Next slide please. And just for reference, that that has a link on it. And you can click on that link and zoom in and look at any level of detail you We want to see exactly what's going on here. So Mazda needs a support letter or a support resolution plan. TypeScript. Uh, to your your thoughts? Uh, sample text for both of those. So if you wanted to pass a resolution, that's fine. If you wanted to have it for yourself to support later, that's fine. Some people passed a resolution telling the town administrator to send a support letter. However, you guys want to do that. Uh, and it's worth saying that local agencies do have the final say on the route. So if you bring requested a change that we could we could talk about that, but it seems unlikely that you'd want them on anything other than at the, uh, the bike path. So there's no cost to the to the local agencies. There's no requirements, no constraints. So, for example, if this was going to be designated as a historic byway or a scenic byway, the US Historic way, which was, by the way, that puts limits on what you could do. Size billboards, all kinds of things are restricted. But in the case of the U.S. bike world, there's no such restrictions, no costs, no maintenance requirements, nothing. It's simply a mapping project to provide route for long distance bicycle travelers who want to right up Oxford, Massachusetts, or the entire East Coast. So a US bike part one starts in Barnhart remain. And that's in Key West, Florida, currently Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, um, and Massachusetts and Hampshire and Maine have already approved the round. Next slide please. 01:22:19,968 S7: So I think you're well aware of that, that path, how much your local, uh, folks appreciate having the bike path there. And that does the same thing for long distance bicycle travelers. And I should point out. What we're talking about is people who are doing multi, multi week and sometimes multi-month tours, the right 50 to 60, 70 miles a day to spend a couple of hundred bucks a day on lodging, food and all kinds of stuff like that. So there's health and environmental benefits. It's a very low impact tourism and there's an economic development opportunity there. We hear from communities that are on long distance bike routes. Uh, their local bike shop benefits the local campgrounds, their local motels, convenience stores, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera all see the impact of those people spending that money on a daily basis. Next slide. 01:23:20,100 S7: So that's me, Cory Ayers. I'm an Usbr volunteer coordinator for the Adventure Cycling Association Association. There's my email address and my cell phone and landline. And then I work with Kelly Zachary is the route's coordinator for adventure segment. And then here's her contact information. So any further questions people have? 01:23:41,400 S1: Any questions from the board? 01:23:43,767 S4: Sounds great. Sounds great. 01:23:45,567 S1: Thank you, Kerry, for the presentation. I hope the public sees this eventually. And, uh, do we have the printed resolution available? 01:23:55,667 S2: Yeah. There's no vote tonight. All right. But, um, the board is interested, and it seems like it is. Then we can bring it back for the first meeting of January for the full resolution. But you take the vote and send the letter. 01:24:10,868 S1: Sounds good. 01:24:13,167 S7: Thanks for your time and my contact information there. If somebody wants an individual discussion that that does not violate Open Meetings Act or constraints, I'm happy to spend as much time as you like talking about this process and what we're doing here. Thanks, Terry. Thanks again. 01:24:28,167 S2: Gary. I just have a quick question about a picture. Can you just go back to 28? I think it's 20. 01:24:36,868 S2: One. Uh, back 26 for that one. What's the what's the picture on the left there? Where is that dino boy? 01:24:46,400 S7: I couldn't tell you. 01:24:48,167 S2: I didn't know if you. I didn't know if you made it in. Uh, there's something someplace you. But I don't know. It looks like a fun place to ride a bike. 01:24:54,300 S4: Yeah. 01:24:55,300 S5: That's like Cornwall or something. 01:24:57,701 S7: Uh, the deals in England, which could be. But I don't specifically know us. So I catch it someplace. 01:25:04,601 S2: Yeah. All right. That's awesome. But thank you for your presentation. No. 01:25:08,267 S1: All right, well, the chair, Ben Timon has joined us at 648, and I'll turn the meeting over to him. 01:25:13,901 S5: Thank you. Appreciate. Um. Uh, you, vice Chair Cheeseman taking over, and. 01:25:20,167 S1: You've done. 01:25:20,701 S4: The. Thanks, Dave. 01:25:21,868 S1: Thank you. All of B and C are done as well. 01:25:25,200 S5: Oh, terrific. Oh, great. Excellent. Um. Thank you. And my apologies for, uh, for being tardy. The traffic from Boston was a little troublesome. Um, so we're on D. Yes. Sorry. Okay. Uh, item D update on the town hall solar project and request for authorization to sign a system purchase and installation agreement with Select Energy Development, which also may be taken. Great. 01:25:49,601 S2: Um, could you give that summary page? 01:25:54,868 S2: Speed, basically. So originally we've been working with DS ESG, which is the company that. 01:26:06,367 S2: Is overseeing the installation. And um, so, you know, just basically through through our due diligence where we're members of a state, um, purchasing power purchasing options program, that that member communities would pay a small fee to be a member of it get a free like $100. So certainly how much we've saved through it, it's certainly worth it. So just to be on the safe side, we had the best peer review it and, you know, it looked like that the pricing that we could obtain through purchasing through this, uh, through this program run through the state was significantly more advantageous than numbers were getting through ESG. So what you have before you here is it changes. It changes that. It changes the deal a little bit. So the that that the at the end of the day, the quote is coming in roughly between 250 and $300,000 less than what the ESG code was. If you remember, the ask was going to be within the cycle to move forward with this. So the the changes that originally with the ESG quote, we would be looking to raise about Thousand dollars for the capital warrant article and free cash to offset the total project costs so that the lending portion would align with our current energy expenditure to the town hall. So therefore essentially make an abundant loophole. It's not free money, but it's money we're already spending on electricity. It's fossil fuels. Now electricity, the geo. It was just taking that money. And we're being aware we're not just a utility company making our own power, but we're sending it to the lending institution. So that was that low. So this and the gamble was that if this the deal with ESG fell apart for any reason on the town side between now and, you know, possibly the town deciding not to go forward, HGC not giving final approval, um, town meeting, not approving the lease to purchase or short term bonding options that we have. Any one of those could build a project and would still kill the project that it was $10,000 gamble, so to speak, that the town was making to, you know, essentially lock ourselves into this 30% IRS tax credit. So which is about $150,000, was $10,000 at risk to make sure that we got in the window, which was December 31st for the IRS tax. So now we have this new agreement for effectively the same solar array, same design, the same panels. Um, that will be that will net net carbon net zero, the economy's energy consumption, uh, for a much lower cost. So they will that will this will eliminate the need for a, uh, capital, uh, a capital appropriation request through free cash, a town meeting. But the risk with this one is that you need to essentially guarantee a pay. And we have located the funds come from the fund transfer. I've done some modeling to make sure that any additional transfers that we need for budgetary or expenditures are being made from other departments through, you know, basically, if projections hold true. So, uh, of about $42,625. 01:29:52,868 S2: So if this deal falls apart on the town side there, the vendor is obligated to provide. So if we come through now we need to provide the structure. But it falls apart because of us, but we don't want to do it anymore. We added the clause that protects us. Um, fill that out like that's right above item system description notwithstanding, I at the end of the card terms should not be binding unless until the town town meeting. Basically, that's where if we don't have the ability to raise the appropriate the money to fund this contract, then we're not obligated in any way. But this $42,625 01:30:35,200 S2: deposit is non-refundable. So that's really the difference is that it's much cheaper. The no. $240,000 capital raise, you're risking $10,000. It was that the old duty was $10,000. This one, you know, $42,000 on the table. 01:30:54,567 S1: So that's does this still include the federal grant money or. Yes. Right. 01:31:03,000 S2: So that's that's kind of the push is to get there. So. 01:31:11,367 S5: I'm sorry, what's the explanation for the increase from the 10,000 to the 42 as the deposit amount. 01:31:19,200 S2: Was going to essentially, I guess eat that. Yeah. So the contract we had was I'm not sure of the legal term, but it broke the contract. We were on the hook for $10,000 with ESG. ESG was spending through design and design. Right. So they and then whatever else needed to be done to get to this 5% threshold, project threshold on December 31st. It's not. 01:31:47,467 S5: Selected. 01:31:48,868 S2: This is not the same. 01:31:51,100 S5: Select as demanding a larger yes deposit. 01:31:53,400 S2: So basically we're at risk for the full amount for ESG was at risk for the Delta $32,000. 01:32:02,968 S4: But the total cost of the project is significantly reduced. 01:32:06,467 S2: Yes, 250 $300,000 less, right? 01:32:09,067 S5: Yeah. There's our climate action team by this. Yes. 01:32:16,000 S2: Yeah. I mean, this is you know, much. 01:32:18,767 S7: Yeah, yeah. 01:32:20,267 S2: Significantly less. 01:32:22,601 S5: That was a percentage wise, 40% less. 01:32:27,000 S4: And the risk is really if town meeting doesn't approve. Well, that's that's the only risk point, right. 01:32:35,167 S2: Because you will have to borrow whether it's the lease to purchase agreement or state House notes or whatever. But you know what? We decide we have to fund this sum up. We don't. 01:32:47,000 S5: Have. 01:32:47,200 S2: The 580,000 01:32:50,567 S2: to pay for it. Right. 01:32:53,067 S5: What about, um, if there are conditions imposed by 01:33:02,400 S5: the conditions that were imposed by the HTC with its approval? Um, if any of those can't be satisfied. 01:33:14,767 S5: A have we analyzed whether that's likely to be a problem? And B if for some reason there was a HTC approval condition that couldn't be satisfied and the project couldn't move forward? That language looks like it wouldn't necessarily protect us because it's, um, tied to the town meeting. 01:33:37,300 S2: Yeah, I mean, that is a that's a fair point. That's a protected area. 01:33:41,667 S5: So what's the state of play on whether we think the HTC approval conditions are, uh, impose any practical stumbling blocks? 01:33:50,267 S2: They've approved the project. 01:33:51,667 S5: Yeah. 01:33:52,601 S2: Conceptually. And but reserve the right to, um. 01:34:00,667 S2: Authorize, uh, biomaterials. Dimensions. Dimensions. Mhm. Yeah. Adam does want to review the. 01:34:10,567 S5: Review of the plans. They want to review the plant. 01:34:12,868 S4: Aesthetic. 01:34:13,300 S5: Yeah. 01:34:13,667 S4: Yeah. Aspects, basically. 01:34:15,567 S5: Right. Yeah. Listen to their. Their meeting. Three days ago on video. 01:34:21,868 S2: But which we could. Run that notion by cheaply as well and sort of approve the concept of it. But it's these sort of contingencies. 01:34:31,367 S7: But it's good. 01:34:33,501 S2: Yeah. So Scott with the questions let's go through. But at least they improved dead conceptual right. Seeing what it looks like. Just have it got to touch the actual materials colors. 01:34:46,767 S5: There's more option to option right versus. 01:34:49,767 S2: Yeah. So if that's a fair concern maybe they just they always think quite well if everything worked out and if somebody had to worry about saying you are. But if the board is leaning towards moving forward in this direction, granting the authority to say we have, um, maybe Casting contingent upon being able to negotiate something in there that gives us some. What else? Well, uh, HTC. 01:35:21,467 S5: Yeah, that was kind of good at the time. 01:35:24,968 S4: And the ask for town meeting. Would be. 01:35:30,167 S4: The 580. 01:35:32,868 S2: About five, 580. 01:35:34,868 S4: Minus the tax credit. 01:35:41,067 S2: That I don't know the answer. It's certainly 580 minus the tax credit. But whether we have to relocate. 01:35:47,767 S4: Okay. Do. 01:35:51,567 S9: You mind if I answer that? 01:35:52,701 S2: Yeah. Please. 01:35:54,100 S9: Yeah. So we will have to add the five. And then we tax credit will come into the next year. 01:36:02,000 S2: Sorry. 01:36:02,567 S4: Wait. I'm sorry I'm having trouble hearing. Hang on. Is that as high as you can go? My computer. Sorry, Kate. Can you say that one more time? 01:36:13,267 S9: We will have to raise the $580,000, and then the tax credit will be 174,261. We will not get back until almost a year later. 01:36:25,000 S4: Okay. But the amount is certain. 01:36:28,167 S9: Yes. 01:36:31,367 S4: So we have to front that money, basically. Right. 01:36:36,667 S1: But then we anticipate. So that takes it from 580 down to actual cost, about 400,000 on our end. And we're anticipating that that 400,000 will be essentially balanced off by, uh, reduced utility bills or what, 20 year period we're looking at or. 01:36:58,400 S2: Yeah, it would be this project would be budget neutral. Right. 01:37:01,868 S1: Without in the long term. Right. 01:37:03,868 S2: It will even. Yeah. I mean, you're not going to realize that it's not a savings play, right? It's a carbon neutral play that is not costing us any more that we're already spending on our utilities. 01:37:19,167 S9: Yeah. And selected on saying that it should probably pay for itself within 10 to 12 years. They'll have the exact numbers for me on there, but it will definitely pay for itself. It doesn't have to. 01:37:34,601 S10: Okay. 01:37:40,767 S1: So, Kate, do you know often do municipal solar projects qualify for, uh, Shrek or the, uh. 01:37:51,567 S1: From the utilities as they seek to have, uh, renewable energy credits? 01:38:00,400 S9: You know what, Gary? I don't know what that is. I'm sorry, because I don't. 01:38:04,267 S2: I don't know that answer. 01:38:05,367 S1: So I know, you know, private residences. If you put the solar on. 01:38:09,367 S2: Yeah. 01:38:10,267 S1: Can consolidate your energy production. Carbon credits and National grid buys from you in order to meet their 10% state law requirement in lieu of building more plants themselves. So the question is, do the municipalities have any sort of an ongoing credit that we could anticipate getting back from National Grid if we could sell the Trex? 01:38:38,400 S2: Yeah, I, I don't. 01:38:39,567 S1: Something just something like that. 01:38:41,367 S2: Yeah, it's certainly a good question. I don't have the answer to it. 01:38:45,367 S9: Yeah. Oh. I'm sorry. 01:38:49,667 S2: Yeah. I'm wondering if it's kind of all included in. 01:38:53,767 S1: The. 01:38:53,868 S2: Whole thing. If they're doing that in the background, that's how I get the pricing, but I don't. Yeah. 01:38:58,868 S1: So certainly if we have, uh, we're essentially price neutral now And, uh, carbon benefits. And I should take, uh, you know, we can work with HTC to make sure this gets moving through for something that's really going to be out of sight anyhow. Up in the hill. So I'm in favor. 01:39:20,667 S10: Hey, how's your hand up? Agreed. 01:39:22,067 S4: Kate. Yeah. Has her hand up again? Ben. 01:39:24,667 S5: Kate. 01:39:26,100 S9: Yeah. Thank you for explaining that to me. Yes. So if we if the system generates more power, then we will get a credit to the national grid. 01:39:37,801 S7: Good. 01:39:39,501 S5: I said one other. I'm in support of this as well. I just had a few questions. So, um, I think you noted in an email that, um, an attorney at Cape Law who. 01:39:52,200 S2: Were. 01:39:52,467 S5: Calling Rick. And Rick is kind of the their solar guy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, were there provisions that he or changes that he pushed for that were rejected by the vendor. And like, what's your sense of whether we got. Contractual changes that we asked for. It was mentioned to me that, um, there was some indemnification provisions that maybe we wanted changed or added that they wouldn't do. So I don't know if this. 01:40:24,667 S2: I mean, as far, you know, like our conversation with Breck was that he was he's done a lot of these contracts with, uh, select their provider through the purchasing program, the number of communities that do it, this is their standard contract. He's reviewed dozens of them. Um, they have a series of initial, uh, requests, and they kind of landing in the same place. Right? Uh, he is satisfied with the way the contract is now. Yeah, that's not to say it couldn't be stronger in our position. Yeah, could be. 01:41:05,567 S5: Right. But we're under sort of a bit of a deadline. Yeah, right. We need to get this approved by the end of the year. 01:41:12,467 S4: Yes. 01:41:14,267 S5: Right. 01:41:15,100 S2: Yes. 01:41:16,267 S5: So, um, would there be an appetite for moving to approve this? But as you were just suggesting, Steve, subject to, um, refinement of the notwithstanding anything in the contrary clause in the middle of page one to encompass, um, other, other necessary town approvals. 01:41:41,367 S2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, why stop at the HGC when they're collecting? Yeah, Butters. Right. 01:41:48,267 S5: So we could work together on that afterwards, maybe find some language that maybe works for everybody. Um. All right. Any other discussion? Questions. 01:42:00,667 S4: Just thank you to the team for getting us to this point. I'm definitely worried. 01:42:08,267 S2: Kate, Kate. 01:42:09,167 S4: Joe and. 01:42:09,601 S2: Kate. That Kate's picked up the ball. But Joe has also done it to, um, you know, through a number of HTC meetings that Kate has spent a lot of time working with select and getting this repaired through, uh, this contract and shape you guys. So. 01:42:28,300 S5: Yeah. 01:42:28,701 S4: Yeah. Thank you. I wasn't sure we would get to this point, honestly. 01:42:32,367 S2: So yeah. 01:42:33,467 S5: We're at the we're. 01:42:34,200 S4: At the tremendous. 01:42:35,167 S5: One foot line. 01:42:35,801 S4: We're right. Exactly. We're in the end zone. 01:42:40,100 S5: Um, Joe, is there anybody, um, on zoom who has their hand up, wants to talk? There's none. 01:42:48,267 S2: Okay, great. 01:42:49,968 S5: So I'd entertain a motion to approve the draft contract with Select Energy that was presented to us today. Um, with um, final revisions to be handled by the town administrator, including, uh, the potential rewording of. 01:43:22,601 S5: The paragraph that immediately precedes item 1.0 in the contract on page one. 01:43:29,501 S1: So moved. 01:43:30,801 S4: By your. 01:43:32,167 S5: Great, uh. Peter? Yes. Deirdre. Yes. Gary. Yes. And Ben is. Yes. 01:43:39,701 S4: It's Kate. 01:43:40,200 S5: Oh, hi, Kate. 01:43:44,267 S14: Don't talk us out of it, Kate. 01:43:46,100 S5: What's that? 01:43:47,267 S9: I just said thank you for letting us speak again. 01:43:49,601 S5: Sure. 01:43:50,167 S9: So I'm just wondering, does this mean that, um, if we can't get that provision Changed that we would not go forward with this. And the reason why is because. Selective sending out, um, you know, engineers being in there. Incurring their own costs on this. So I'm not sure if I can get there, actually. 01:44:14,167 S9: Right. 01:44:15,267 S5: Yeah. I don't think I'm wondering. 01:44:17,667 S9: Are we saying you're adopting it? Move forward if we can't get it changed? 01:44:22,968 S5: No, I don't think that wasn't what we voted, at least in my mind. I think we said potential revision. 01:44:29,167 S1: Yeah. We empowered the town administrator to attempt to make those changes. Yes, but otherwise move forward with the project. 01:44:35,667 S2: Right. 01:44:36,267 S9: Great. Thank you. 01:44:37,067 S2: So much. 01:44:37,567 S5: Yeah. Thanks. All right. That moves us to item. Uh, well, so now we need to vote on a down payment. Is that right to me? Discussion and potential vote to request the fin com release funds for the select energy projects down payment. That's the 41,000 that you referenced. 01:44:57,100 S2: Yeah. Okay. 01:44:57,701 S1: I move to request the finance advisory committee to release. 01:45:01,000 S2: Funds. 01:45:01,367 S1: For the solar Select Energy project. 01:45:03,868 S15: Down payment. 01:45:05,801 S4: So. 01:45:07,267 S5: Gary. 01:45:08,000 S1: Yes. 01:45:08,601 S5: Deirdre. Yes. Peter. Yes. Yes. Great. 01:45:12,567 S1: All right. Quick question. When does Finkel meet? 01:45:15,200 S2: Tomorrow. 01:45:15,701 S1: Tomorrow. 01:45:18,167 S5: All right. F um, discussion and potential vote to rescind the prior request to the fin com for a $25,000 grant to a court. So, as everyone knows, we, um, had a meeting about a month ago when the government shut down, um, was still ongoing, and Snap benefits were being with delayed, threatened, etc., and we voted to make $25,000 available to Acord to help support people need who are affected by that situation. Um, the situation resolves in November, uh, when Snap was fully funded through mostly through efforts of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And so the money was not transferred. And, um, and so this motion, if it's made and approved, would be to, uh, undo the request of this income for that $25,000 to sit in the selectmen, the board of the Select board line item, uh, where it could have been deployed to a court and instead, I believe, would revert back to free cash. Is that right? Or to. 01:46:40,801 S2: Or. 01:46:41,400 S4: To the reserve. 01:46:42,000 S5: Or to the reserve fund? Sorry. The reserve fund. Right. And I don't think if we do this, it would not prevent us from going through the same process that we went through in November. Should that be necessary based on circumstances at the federal level? Are you ready. 01:47:00,067 S14: For a motion? 01:47:01,367 S5: Yeah, I think so. 01:47:02,567 S13: Go ahead. 01:47:04,767 S4: Move to rescind the prior request to Finicum for the $25,000 grant to Acord seven. 01:47:12,868 S5: Gary. Yes, Deirdre. Yes, Peter. Yes. And. Ben. Yes. Thank you. All right. Um, item G, discussion and potential vote on adding any additional select board budget requests for FY 27. 01:47:26,767 S2: So this is subject to the request that came up at an agenda item at the, um, the budget hearing back on Saturday. But there was there's a few things and Gary could jump in wherever, but there's um, there's a couple of things we do that probably want to be budgeted for specifically, such as we grant, we donate, but it should be stuck or it should be a grant for the good. The concert in the park. Then we made a donation to the pride. But the pride timing. 01:48:05,467 S2: In Gary has been brought to my attention. That the board may want to consider is to sponsor a food project participant. At least I accept that child, that that inner city child that they can come up and participate in the food project. And the cost is about is it 5000? Terry. 01:48:28,467 S1: Uh, I think the request was, was it 6560? 01:48:36,267 S2: Um, you know, in addition to that, in any other discussions that the Select Board wants to have is, you know, maybe establishing an employee appreciation line item. Looking at some of the other communities and just going through with the holiday party now, maybe a line item that could help offset some of the costs, doing things like maybe a lunch or holiday party or something for the enclaves. The board would be up to about $1,500 or something like that. That could enable us to rent. To all I know, some of the barriers have been or rent to hall and catering to the folks. Yeah, yeah. Like about it. It's like generously donated some money to offset it so that, you know, some folks don't have the money to attend or want to spend money. So being able to do something at no cost one time a year or even twice a year as well, thank you or good idea or something over the summer I think would go a long way. 01:49:41,901 S4: What's the amount other communities typically. 01:49:44,968 S2: Hamilton does 2000 communities just have it paid for. I don't like that. There's. 01:49:55,467 S2: Just a general, general consensus without appropriation. But I feel like a small town like this probably should have it more. Yeah. Specifically called out in the budget. 01:50:06,100 S1: Makes sense. 01:50:06,801 S2: But still one. 01:50:08,767 S5: So we have that 6500. 01:50:10,567 S1: Sorry. Yeah. So you actually have two things here. Right. You're establishing one, a budget line for select board grants to nonprofits or other groups in around town. And then separately, a Selectboard controlled through the town administrator budget line for employee recognition. Get it. 01:50:38,067 S5: Right. 01:50:38,667 S2: And I think that the contact that grants the three that we actually, 01:50:45,667 S2: May based on conversation with the council, or you're talking about the the the a court donation or grant that may need to be specific in that it may make sense to have it as part of the capital appropriation or granting separate through free cash flow. That way it's not rely upon the, uh, literary expenditure in the in the operating budget, like the, uh, clearer way to call it out. I'm not sure if if it doesn't, if that doesn't matter. Uh, like, I don't like board has a preference as to how they would like to have it. 01:51:26,267 S1: But you think if you put it through the free cash route that it's, uh, perhaps a little bit more, uh, appetizing to town meeting as here's no leftover money, as we know, but there's available money that we can put to this immediate good purpose rather than, you know, trying to wiggle it in under a 2.5% cap or something. 01:51:53,267 S2: Yeah, I. 01:51:53,467 S1: Agree. 01:51:53,868 S2: Especially that we have some pressures this year as we move into the current season. Right? Moving this into a budget, you know, the other day, you're still raising appropriately the total amount. But at the end of April but certainly coming from a different pocket would would be helpful. 01:52:13,467 S5: The last year we um, established, uh, I think it was a $1,000 line item for select board spending, which was sort of the idea was to have some events. And Gary and I did one and done fromage. Um, was that in the budget or. 01:52:32,501 S2: That's in the. 01:52:33,067 S5: Budget and it's in the budget for next year. Yep. Okay. Because we didn't really I don't think we spent it this year. Uh, we didn't. We didn't incur any expenses that had been town expenses that had been fromage. 01:52:44,767 S2: We didn't. 01:52:45,567 S5: Know. And I don't think there was any other. 01:52:47,968 S2: Yeah. 01:52:48,467 S5: We expected. 01:52:48,901 S2: That. 01:52:49,767 S5: Yeah. 01:52:50,167 S4: So why don't we shift that? 01:52:51,767 S5: Yeah, I was sort of thinking maybe we zero that one out and that's $1,000 that would go towards the employee appreciation. 01:52:58,901 S4: Yeah. 01:52:59,667 S5: Because I think it's a good belt tightening thing and it's a trade off. And, um, I mean, we only did the one event. You and I had a great afternoon catching up and talking, solving the world's problems. 01:53:13,767 S1: But not much public participation. 01:53:16,467 S5: Yeah. No. No one, no constituent attended. Or if they did attend, it was pure happenstance that they happened to go into it for some other reason and wondered what was going on outside. But anyways, um, so I'm not sure that that we, you know, would would spend that money next year, right? Yeah. All right. So, um, there's no there's no motion to make. Or is it enough just to give you that guidance and you'll put that in the proposed budget? 01:53:47,868 S2: Yeah, yeah I know. If anything else, it's like I've been thinking of you. Just forget this kind of. We'll be out of that stuff too. 01:53:54,667 S13: Mhm. 01:53:56,000 S2: Yeah. Anyways I think we'll just start going the other way. 01:54:02,367 S1: And we already did uh have the line for park maintenance is in there right. 01:54:10,868 S2: Uh, yes. The park maintenance is in $15,000. It's in trees in the presentation, but it's going to be. Wow. 01:54:22,100 S5: All right. Um, that moves us to item H, which we're going to defer until our next meeting in January. Discussion and potential vote on updates of the snow snow removal policy, then. Yes, what I would. 01:54:37,767 S1: Girl was straight. 01:54:39,100 S2: The syllable. Careful. 01:54:42,567 S14: We shouldn't discuss it until we have a major. So about to see how it works. Because we are. We are changing how we operate. 01:54:51,501 S5: Well, right I think well, well. 01:54:53,100 S14: So at our last meeting, it was we. Well, our next meeting could be after we have a significant spillover. 01:55:00,868 S5: Right. But I think the policy the policy hasn't changed. I think that there's going to be a discussion at the board level as to whether to change the policy based on, I think, the working groups recommendation. 01:55:14,801 S2: But the policy has to be changed. 01:55:17,267 S5: Yeah. Um. 01:55:18,968 S14: How? 01:55:19,868 S5: Yeah. Well, how? Right. And so. And Karen. 01:55:21,901 S14: Window after we have a. 01:55:22,801 S5: Cigarette. 01:55:23,501 S14: It's not with that. 01:55:24,567 S5: Right. So go. 01:55:25,901 S4: Ahead. DPW can't change what we agreed to last year unless we revised the policy until the full board agrees. So the working group is making recommendations, but those recommendations don't hold until the full board is reviewed and approved. 01:55:43,868 S5: And and Karen request. 01:55:45,667 S13: That's the way he's operating. 01:55:48,701 S2: Yeah. Well, he's waiting for the policy to change. Those are like we talked about the slight port. I'll bring the recommendations. And that was that. Just like boards that took a snapshot of the discussion until there's a five of you folks take a vote to actually change it. Bridge, you know, is operating under the existing policy. Give us we get direction. Right. That's what you're. 01:56:18,167 S5: Right. And Karen Iger, who as you know is a member of the working group with you, asked Steve and I today because it's because she couldn't be here tonight to not take this up. Um, because she wants to comment on. She wants, I think, to advocate for changing the policy as the working group, um, has discussed. But so that that was why we were going to defer it. And. Yeah. And so for now, the status. 01:56:51,467 S14: Quo. 01:56:52,200 S5: Holds. And, um, if there is a snowstorm between now and the time that we talk about it, then we'll have additional data to look at. But but the DPW would not be following the, um, working group policy for that because the Select board will have to vote on it. 01:57:10,367 S14: By the way, the, uh, the list of roads with school. 01:57:14,667 S5: Kids. 01:57:14,968 S13: On it. 01:57:15,567 S14: That was really interesting. 01:57:17,267 S2: Yeah. One of those that would be helpful to the conversation. 01:57:19,868 S13: Yeah. All right. 01:57:21,667 S14: So many people live on Maple Street that long, so. 01:57:25,767 S10: I know it's packed. 01:57:27,067 S14: Yeah, a lot. 01:57:27,667 S5: Of young families, school kids. Um, all right. So we're going to move on to item I, which is discussion and potential vote to authorize the town administrator to sign the intermunicipal agreement between the City of Gloucester and the towns of Rockport, Manchester by the sea, Hamilton and Wenham for the District Veteran's Service Office, effective fiscal year 26 through fiscal year 28. 01:57:52,868 S2: So this is this is something that's been involved in this agreement for sometime. It's obviously part 26 through 28 somewhere already in the FY 26 by a few months. So 4 or 5 months. Um, and basically what what this office does, it fills the need. A lot of communities will have a veteran service office in their municipality and actually required to have one. But small communities can pull together their resources or to dissipate in something like this, where Veterans District Service Office hours is located at the Gloucester, the post community and what this what these specific offices do at, you know, in the city halls, the larger town halls and the regional district offices throughout the Commonwealth. They provide a resource to veterans and their families or to access things like, uh, you know, veterans healthcare, uh, any sort of state or federal and local incentives. Uh, they're pretty well versed on, um, you know, even just locals like real estate tax exemptions or stuff like that. They have they'll send it to the various assessors, and they really just well-versed on everything, all the benefits that are available to our veterans, uh, kind of serve as a hub. 01:59:15,000 S14: Um, and. 01:59:16,000 S2: Uh, to them. 01:59:19,467 S1: Well, then you've probably seen it on the events committee that, uh, we do have very good service from the Gloucester office that the representative is out here on the. Monthly basis and is always available by phone and so forth. 01:59:35,467 S14: Right. 01:59:36,467 S5: Yeah, they seem to they have their finger on the pulse of one on two and then they have these larger communities. V that's a triple letter. And then there's a new different gentleman who's come for the last period. But um all right. So I'd entertain a motion. 01:59:57,267 S1: For the move to authorize the town administrator to sign the intermunicipal agreement between the city of Gloucester and the towns of Rockport, Manchester, by the city Hamilton, and well-known for the District Veteran Service Office, effective for fiscal year 26 through fiscal year 28. 02:00:14,868 S4: Second. 02:00:16,300 S5: I will take a roll call. Peter. Yes, Deirdre. 02:00:18,767 S14: Yes, Gary. 02:00:19,567 S5: Yes. And, Benny. Yes. Thank you. And that moves us to item J. Discussion of Eric Tracy's November 6th, 2025 memo to the School Committee, including the position paper he submitted to mass DC. The board will also consider sending a letter of support for his position, but may be taken. 02:00:36,968 S2: So I think a high level overview of that is all. All school districts in Massachusetts receive funding from the state to help offset their monetary needs. A large majority of that is chapter 70. I believe there are other smaller components of that. Um, but at the end of the day, you're just really looking at the pool of cash that the state gives each district to help on that curriculum. And, um, there is a relatively complex formula that goes into quantifying how much each district has. And, um, given you know what? I'm Hamilton's small town status and relatively affluent community in comparison to the rest of Massachusetts. We are. We basically receive this the smallest amount possible. And what Eric's letter tried to point out was that although the state has passed a number of initiatives that are trying to equalize the state funding of education that, you know, in Italy, and, you know, that makes a lot of sense then, but being disproportionately penalized, um, because of the formula and that the formula is effectively capping us at a level that's not allowing us to access these additional funding for organisms that are coming out through the chapter funding, chapter 70 public. So, you know, with that, he highlighted some alternative state and look at such as changing the formula that it also looking at specifically districts or the regional regional districts which have additional burdens placed such as mandatory transportation. So the transportation costs are much higher for a regional district because they span multiple communities and also those of regional specific. But the state has required required curriculum, requires special education. And, um, you know, these the the year over year cost increases of these requirements is, you know, not only is inflation outpacing about the contribution the state is making, but they're placing requirements of service that year over year continue to grow at a pace much greater than what their funding source is supplying. So, uh, you know, this is basically his his submission to DC for them to review the formula and try to, you know, make a change because these smaller towns like we're not alone, but a lot of smaller towns in Massachusetts that, you know, are budgets are, you know, 50, 60 plus percent education. And the deal is we're seeing out of that, you know, the called year over year cost increase, this is ten, 10%. And it's just not it's not sustainable. So that's where two of that is. The board supports it. I can write a letter in support myself on behalf of the board. Or we can break back a letter at a later time. You feel like you want to be seeing the final version. 02:04:11,200 S5: He preference on those options. 02:04:14,400 S1: I would just say I think Eric's intention was to get that letter delivered sooner rather than later. 02:04:24,167 S4: Yeah. Is there a time frame? 02:04:26,267 S2: Do you look at a time frame? 02:04:29,100 S14: How long would it take you to write the letter tomorrow? 02:04:34,701 S5: Because basically your letter could just be more or less a ton of wisdom supports. 02:04:39,667 S2: Yeah, that's. 02:04:40,267 S5: The superintendent said. 02:04:42,200 S14: Yeah. 02:04:42,601 S2: Well key. 02:04:43,067 S14: Points. Yeah. 02:04:43,767 S1: That's uh that's Steve draft it. And then but I do think that the board, you know, we ought to put our signatures on it for additional weight. 02:04:53,367 S2: So we could do that. 02:04:54,000 S14: So yeah, you can. 02:04:56,501 S2: You can I asked you that before you can decide like. 02:05:00,601 S14: Okay that's fine. 02:05:02,701 S5: All right. So I would entertain a motion to, um, have a letter prepared and sent to Massachusetts, D.C. in support of Eric Tracy's November 6th, 2025 memorandum to be drafted by the Town Administrator, with review and review and signatures by members of the Select Board, um, without further votes or action by the Selectboard. So moved. 02:05:43,267 S5: Is there a second? 02:05:44,567 S4: Second. 02:05:45,267 S5: Okay. 02:05:48,100 S5: You were sort of like, you should have just ended it. And midway through, 02:05:54,667 S5: I take a call. Peter. Peter. Yes. Gary. Yes. Daniel. Yes. Okay. Dennis. Yes. Well, we can't end before 730. We, you know, try to drag it. It's after 730. Yeah, exactly. Um. All right. Um. 02:06:15,267 S2: Yeah. 02:06:16,100 S4: It's like you're killing me. 02:06:17,767 S16: All right. 02:06:19,167 S5: Old business. There's no old business. There's no further new business. So if someone like to move to adjourn. 02:06:26,901 S1: Just the meeting schedule for January. 02:06:31,367 S2: 6th and. 02:06:35,367 S1: 20th. 02:06:36,467 S2: Okay. 02:06:37,767 S1: Yeah. 02:06:40,367 S16: All right. 02:06:40,767 S1: And, uh, we got a quintuple meeting or anything coming up in January as well. Right. 02:06:45,701 S4: Later in January. Right. 02:06:47,300 S5: Yeah. This is an all chairs meeting tomorrow. 02:06:49,667 S2: Tomorrow's off chairs. 02:06:50,868 S1: Okay. 02:06:52,067 S5: Yeah. 02:06:53,167 S7: All right. 02:06:55,167 S5: All right. So the sixth and the 20th. Some reason I had 13th, 27th. That was like old dates based on the biweekly. 02:07:03,667 S4: Move to adjourn. 7:33 p.m.. 02:07:05,968 S1: Second. 02:07:06,701 S5: Peter. Yes. Deirdre. Yes. Gary. Yes. Yes, Joe. Another short one. Oh, yeah. That's all. 02:07:14,501 S4: You're cracking.