OK. So I'm gonna call the uh Tuesday, May 13th. Like board meeting to order. Um, since we're on a Zoom call, we're going to do a roll call vote. And I'm gonna go and order of my screen here. So we'll start with Rosemary Kennedy. Rosie Kennedy here. Bengalooza, Bangalooza here.

Uh, Bill Wilson, Bill Wilson here and Tom Myers. Tom Myers here and William Wilson here. So we have two things on our abridged agenda tonight. Um, the first item. is to get an update on our. Uh, development agreement with Gordon Gordon College Theological Seminary, um. And uh Joe, how are we gonna do this presentation today?

I know we've all got the uh the draft. You, you all have the draft and you, you saw it a couple of months ago. Uh we have John Whitton here from uh our attorney who's been working on this and um I think he's gonna provide us some

updates and get, uh, get some ideas from you about the best way to go forward and

00:01:13,230	I don't know if there a vote will be needed here, but so, so Go from there.

00:01:17,099	we'd like to live this discussion today to A half an hour to have you done by 8, sort of the schedule for today. So we'll go, we'll start going and see how it goes.

00:01:29,900	So you, so go ahead, John. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good, good evening members of the board. Um, I know, uh, Attorney Walters is on the call as well. So, um, when we met last in March, um, Attorney Walters had provided the board with an update on the development agreement draft and the parallel activities with the overlay bylaw.

Um, and we're, we're in the same place we were two months ago, although, uh, Attorney Walters and I have been in touch, uh, frequently, and I know Attorney Walters has also been in touch with the planning board on the overlay district. So in terms of specific changes to the development agreement

we've talked about a few of them, but there is no new draft in part because my advice to the board is to await a draft of the overlay district so we can sync these two documents. And just a reminder to the board, uh, if I could, Mr. Chairman, the overlay district is a zoning district that the

planning board worked on and will be working on again. That would serve as kind of a belt and suspender approach for the campus. The development agreement would be contractual between the seminary and the board of the select board in the town of Hamilton, and that contract would would allow.

The select board to negotiate items that would not be properly placed in a zoning bylaw. So it gives the town an opportunity to negotiate items that the planning board through a special permit wouldn't be able to require. And allow the town to extract in a positive sense, extract, extract public benefits that the planning board would not be

able to through the overlay district. So the purpose of the two documents is to accomplish in the development agreement those things we couldn't accomplish in the overlay district. And a little bit vice versa, but we need them both. The two work together, uh, for the very reason that the select

board can't get out of the development agreement the land use controls that we could get through zoning and the zoning overlay district doesn't allow the extractions that the select board are negotiating now. So that's where we've been and, and as I said, there's no new updates other than I know the planning board is working

again, uh, on tweaking their overlay district from last year so these two projects can or these two items can work closely together. Um, that's, that's really the update. I know um uh board member Kennedy has provided a lot of comments that I appreciate very much and. Uh, I've taken them to heart, so we'll be working with the

seminary on those, um, at some point the select board might want to consider, uh, just a focus workshop on the development agreement, but I think best to wait until we have a draft of the overlay district again because these two need to sync together. Uh, so I'll stop there, Mr.

Chairman. I'm happy to to answer any of the detailed questions of the draft that you have, um, or anticipate where we think the overlay district's going, uh, but that's, that's the quick update. Thank you, John. Uh, Rosemary, anything you wanna add to that? So I know you've been working hard on this.

Yeah, just that I, I agree with John that there really have not been substantial um amendments to this development agreement and at the time in March, um, The team, um, Jonathan, Caroline, Joe and I had a lot of questions about, um, About, uh, just. How um. How solid this development agreement is.

There's a lot of wiggle room and we would like to make the language and the uh concepts as airtight as possible, and we didn't feel that this development agreement um Encompass that philosophy. So there is a lot of work to do to decide what exactly the um

seminary is willing to give to the town in return for being able to sell those um apartments for uh Very substantial amount of money. I think one of the issues that the planning board has had is that um and and we have talked about this is that Um, the seminary in the past has reneged on significant pilot

payments to the town, and the town wants to be very careful about making sure that this agreement is airtight and benefits not just the seminary, but benefits the town in a very substantial way as well. OK. And Joe, so I'm assuming that the planning, planning boards like Marty's not on this call tonight, correct? No, she's not.

They have a meeting. Yeah, I think Pat Norton is on, but, um, but the question I had sort of Joe was that um the overlay district process, I mean, that, that requires a town vote, correct? Yes. So the, the, the goal here would be on some calendar.

Um, to have the select board finalize what it wants to see in the uh development agreement so that we can have those final discussions with the seminary, get down on the paper we can have the overlay district finalized by the planning board, and that brought forward to a town meeting or special

town meeting to uh for a vote. And that way there people who have concerns about the overlay district and its impacts will be able to look at what has been negotiated in the development agreement and say, OK, the town has covered itself in these ways. Um, uh, with these elements of the development agreement, um, Yeah

This has been a, this has been a stilted process, right? We, we have periods of work where a lot gets done and then we have long periods of, you know, nothing happening. Um, I think the board had commented after the March meeting and Put the ball back in the court of Gordon Conwell,

we had expected to see, you know, not to cast aspersions or I know things get busy and I know there's a lot of moving parts, but we had expected that the Gordon Conwell is gonna come back with an overlay district draft for the planning board to consider shortly thereafter, and evidently that

only happened a week or so ago. Uh, Marilyn met with, uh, the chair and the vice chair, and I guess there was progress. I had a very nice update, uh, and a memo from, uh, the chair, and I think the board was copied on that. She sees a way forward for the overlay district, which is

great because that can help us finalize the development agreement. But, you know, we last talked about this almost 2 months ago. And my, and my notes, Joe, were that we would that we actually, I think Marty's suggestion was have them write the. Overlay. So that's what that that has happened. Mari, so Mary when that has happened.

00:08:32,529	Yeah, we actually, it, it, it seems like it's been longer. It, it was, uh, the chair was out of town for a few weeks. So we actually submitted it to her, uh, back in mid-April. So we, it, we drafted a new one, based a lot on what this, this select the, uh, planning board had done.

And so, uh, hopefully that would help with, with sort of the efficiency of it. We had a great meeting together, uh, with the delegates from the planning board, uh. So that's moving along. Um, and yeah, I, the last time we were together before the select board, I think the number that uh the chair used

at that point was that we're, you know, 87.5% there. So I think we're quite far along in the, in the DA the development agreement, uh, so hopefully that part won't require as much work. Uh, and then, of course, I, I think it's, as, as attorney Witness said, having them to dovetail together is gonna be helpful.

So, Uh, the planning board will get that. We're, we're gonna take a few more cuts at it, uh, to try to address some of the, the concerns that were raised, uh, in the meeting, and then they should have it and then the select board will have it as well. Marilyn, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

uh, Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, uh, Marin, would you be able to, uh, give us a kind of a window of time when you think that the planning board will be able to, uh, have a draft, a draft thing to consider and, and have hearings about, etc.

Well, I, yeah, if you want to talk to the, the chair. I know they've got their plate full and we're, we're you know, we're concerned about that for them, uh, with, with the other things that they're dealing with, but, um, uh, I'm gonna try to get a turn on it by midweek next week, so within a

week, uh, based on the comments. So she'll, the, the chair will have it by that point and then uh we'll leave it in our hands as to where to go from there, but that would be the, uh, that's the target right now. OK. So Merlin, Merwin, can I just ask a question?

Um, there was an issue that came up at the meeting, um, about, um, Anything constructed under under the Dover Amendment, and have you had a chance to bring that issue to your board? Yeah, and I thought, I thought we should responded there helpfully, uh, you know, we, the, the, the process, the

approach here, the, the concept that I think is really protect the town and protect the butter's concerns are, is the use of the existing, pre-existing buildings as being The governing factors. So there are these existing buildings and any uses that would be permitted under the new overlay district will be limited to the square footage

and the footprint of those buildings. So the massing won't change, the square footage won't change, the intensity of use won't change. Uh, so, you know, that's, and then of course, anything that the seminary built would be at risk at that point. Anything in addition that it'll build would, would be at, at

risk of being really useless to anything other than a, uh, Of a nonprofit educational and religious use. Right, because I think that's the issue that while you were uh ostensibly talking about uh not enlarging the footprint, in reality, the Dover Amendment allows the seminary to continue to have carte blanche ability to develop, enlarge and build, right?

So, So, so I think that's, that's the reality that, that we are looking at in terms of this um development agreement and then um the planning board's purview is the overlay. I'm, I'm not going to opine on that, but, but there are still some, some, uh. Substantial issues that need to be.

Um evaluated because I think the reality is that uh we're talking about two things. You're talking about limiting development and not enlarging the footprint, but yet Dover Amendment allows you to do essentially anything. So that's one of the things that we need to uh whittle down in the development agreement, and I'm hoping that we'll be

able to do that. Yeah, and of course, it's, it's, it's problematic to, to try to restrict an educational religious institution from doing what it can do constitutionally. So we hope that that the select board wouldn't move in that direction. I think the town's protected again because uh it this,

anything that the seminary would build in the future and it has no intention of, but if it did, it would be of no use to anything other than another charitable organization, a religious or educational organization under Dover. So, The town's protected in that if they were to build anything, it would only be for the seminary.

We've talked to the abutters. The abutters are, are fine with what's there. They're happy with the seminary there. They're, they're happy the 50 years that it's been there. They're not concerned about the seminary building for the seminary's purposes. What they're concerned about is, is, you know, the intensity of use from changes in use.

And as we say, we're going to address that by limiting the massing to what's there, size-wise, height wise, footprint wise. OK, so you're saying yes, you can do what you want under Dover and then you're saying you're not going to enlarge the footprint. So, I don't, I'm not sure which is the, which is the direction

you're going to go. So I mean, we, we don't have to just I don't think we're gonna debate that tonight, but it's it's right, yeah, we're not gonna be, but it's a good point on sort of what, what the risk rewards are right for some of the things that we're gonna get

guaranteed the things that we're not gonna get. So it's sort of that part of the negotiation, but um the timeline though, so I, we've got a couple of people on the board that might want to talk, but The time, I, I don't want to rush it, but I do want to resolve it, right?

So it's just something that's reasonable that we resolved before 2026. Oh, our hope would be that the planning board can get at this, uh, you know, quickly. It, it has quite a bit on its plate over the next several weeks, I understand. But then right after that, we would hope that they'd be able

to pick that up and we'd we'd like to keep the momentum going with the select board now. I do a do a fall time meeting vote. Yeah, in the summary be prepared to uh to help uh with with the expense of a special meeting if if the board thought that would be appropriate.

Yeah. Mr. Sherman, could I, um, could I just, just follow on 11, comment before we move forward, and, and that is, I, I think the discussion between um attorney Walters and Ms. Kennedy is really helpful relative to the distinction between the overlay district and the development agreement. The planning board through the overlay district, whether it's

a special permit or not, would not be able to negotiate Dover rights. That would be the wrong place to do it. It would never pass muster. The development agreement is where that should occur. So if the seminary is willing to forgo certain expansion rights that they otherwise have under Dover, this is where we

want it in the development agreement, not the zone bylaw. So the reason I raised this, Mr. Chairman, is it depending on what the outcome is, what we're looking for would determine where we put it. And I hate to be, uh, you know, so, uh, uh, crude about saying it that way, but that's really the way it works.

What is it we're trying to accomplish and then which would be? What's your name?

00:16:11,000	256 9 he's trying to get him Jillian Cavanagh and you can I take my name to Cam. join me. I can't see her Gillian Gillian, Gillian, Gillian, there you go. Sorry. So I muted Rosie. Rosie, you can mute. Sorry about that. So Mr. Chairman, so I just my, my, my point is depending on

what it is we're trying to accomplish really dictates which vehicle we're gonna use and so I think that's really important time wise and I think if we make those choices soon that would expedite the process for as you were suggesting perhaps a fall town meeting. So it, it's the choice of where we put these, these decisions

will really make an incredibly um important difference in terms of timing. The development agreement the select board could sign whenever it's ready. It doesn't have the same burdens as town meetings, so that's why I raised it, Mr. Chairman. OK. And then, yeah, so we're, so next week, so Rosem's been

doing a great job as sort of the representative from the select board. We're gonna be um reassigning with the new board those roles at our meeting next Monday and then hopefully we can uh. Pick the right person within the board to move forward and, and push this thing forward from our end.

Um, Bill Wilson, Tom Meyers, or Ben Gluy have anything to add to the conversation before we move on? I had a process question. um, Mr. Walters, is that, are you now kind of like the main point of contact, um, with Gordon Conwell? Is that, is that, and so all of our communications and as a

planning board and select board are now kind of funneling through you, is that correct? That's right. Right, and so are you utilizing kind of just like a word document for like tracking changes as well like kind of as as this is evolving and as we're providing comments, it's

kind of all now like following through one place so we can see any back and forth. That's that's correct. And is it the same kind of on their side of uh of the fence that they have a single point of contact for you to deal with now? Is that?

I usually organize all contact between council and the members of the board that are are negotiating on behalf of this level. Um, for Gordon Connell, do they have a, a legal that's Maryland. That's Maryland. That's Maryland. Marylyn's their attorney. Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood. So, OK, so John, John, so. Marin, all right, I misunderstood that connection.

I thought you two were from the same entity, so my apologies. We get along really well, but we're, we're good. So John, all of our communication is funneling through, through you to Mr. Walters and, yes, through Joe, So, uh, whatever I get from Marin, I forward to Joe, uh, uh, Ben.

00:18:50,130	but yes, I'm representing the select board in this matter, um, and, uh, so things go through Joe, uh, or me and but whatever I received from Marin I sent to Joe and vice versa. OK, but you're, you, John, are our main point of contact then with with Mr. Walters. So everything we're not having any parallel conversations at

this point, is that right? No, I would never do that. And then, and then Ben and then we're gonna sign someone. You know, next, at our next week meeting when we do the boards and committees assignments that uh we'll work, you know, more closely with Joe and John on the day to day and

then bring it to the vote at a meeting, OK? I just wanted to understand that dynamic and make sure that That's great. everything was like just like really going through a single point of contact so that there's no room for confusion when we're having any like negotiation on on specific terms and so thanks for that clarity.

00:19:45,470	Bill Wilson or Tom Myers? Yeah, uh, no, no new questions. Doesn't seem like a lot has changed since our last discussion. I'm anxious about the timeline. I know we talked about the planning board getting freed up in a couple of weeks. I'm not so sure how that works.

It looks for this year, but, uh, hopefully that is the case. So, uh, I'm anxious and curious, I guess, to get back with the planning board and understand, you know, their thoughts on, on the timeline for the Overlay district piece In parallel, in the meantime, we should continue to work on of it. the development agreement.

Yeah, no new questions for me. I just echo Bill Wilson's concerns around timeline, but um nothing new for me. This is helpful update. And I think our goal is the timeline is we can to continue to talk about it, it's something we want to resolve uh before before January 1st, 2026.

00:20:36,269	But there's not much time. There's a lot going on between now and then, but, but I think it's achievable. So, all right, uh, Marilyn, anything else we did not talk about that you'd like us to consider for future discussion? No, that's great. Well, I'll get going, finish this up, get it over to the

planning board, and, uh, then as, as I, I'll talk to, to attorney Whitton as well in terms of when it's appropriate to get it to the select board as well. Yeah. All right, John, thank you for your updates today. Sure, thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

00:21:08,630	Thank you.

00:21:11,670	All right. You have in front of you.

00:21:18,369	Yeah, so the next item is the draft warrant daytime calendar for meeting on June 7, 2025 at 10 a.m. Um, so can I have a motion to

00:21:36,500	No, don't don't have that on there. the warrant? OK. So do you want to share the uh The draft warrant, Joe.

00:21:47,670	Yeah, let me get to that spot on the uh thing so that you don't have to see me scrolling through everything.

00:22:03,470	Here we go.

OK. 00:22:13,829	All right, so there's the front page, one of the shortest warrants we've had in quite some time. Two articles, Consolidated elementary school and extension of at least couple school. There are the two articles on 2 different pages.

00:22:31,400	Where's your, what was that, Joe? Yeah, go ahead. It's your conversation. Oh yeah, so, so I think, yeah, one of the things that we talked about passion discussion last week was about the timing of the special time meeting and went back and forth some dates and some times.

Um, I'm still under the belief that it should be held on. June 9th, on that Monday at the same time as whenha's meeting, um. And, uh, you know, if, if other board members have thought about that since our last week and, and talked and seen that all the conflicts that we have on the 7th, which would prevent

lots of people, we talk about creating an environment where the majority of our time can go, go vote. We've created a scenario where there are dozens of events on the 7th which prevent people from, from voting. So, uh, I open it up to the board to ask if there's anybody

else reconsider that timing I'd like to have any further discussion or motion. Yeah, Mr. Chair, if I could speak, I mean, I, I know we've gotten a lot of emails in the past couple of weeks from, you know, concerned residents about that time and, and the, the

June 7th date being, um, you know, uh, the end of sports for many teams, recitals, graduation dates. It's, it's, it's problematic for, for a number of people, especially this time of year in June for, for families with children or, you know, kids that are graduating and kids

that are finishing up sports, uh, to be able to attend on that date. Um, I know one of the big concerns around, um, having it on Saturday and not on an evening night was, um, for our senior population, um, you know, to attend on a weeknight to, you know, with issues with it getting dark and, and

driving, and we certainly want to be, uh, respective of that. We want to be respective of young families that want to attend. So I think really my thought is we want to find a time that's representative of uh getting the most people to attend and turn out.

Um, I know Joe has looked into some of the data that we got from the, the town clerk, Corin Cale, um, about Um, voter data for town meetings and especially special town meetings and looking at the demographics and, you know, from my understanding from that data, you know, there was no

significant change in the um demographics of the age group or pop or population that attended special town meeting in the evenings. So ages, you know, 60 plus you were actually the majority of individuals that did attend that that those town meetings. So it, it sounds that, um, you know, it seems like.

You know, special town meeting in the evening wasn't necessarily preclusive of having, um, that demographic, uh, attending, but regardless, you know, we've, we've heard that concern. I think, you know, to try and find a balance for everyone, I think, you know, doing a Monday evening earlier in the evening,

so not at, you know, 7:30, not 7, you know, maybe at 6:30, um, where it's still light out, where it's still light till 8:30, you know, we're anticipating a uh, a short meeting, you know, hopefully 90 minutes. I think, you know, I've heard from, from parents of young

children that, you know, would prefer it be later in the evening on, on Monday, but, you know, we're trying to back it up a little bit too, because we want to make sure that everyone has an opportunity to get the most impact and the most voters, uh, to vote on this important issue.

And so I think by, you know, Monday early evening, when it's still, you know, very much light out and, you know, we're only anticipating a shorter meeting, I think it does. Accommodate the most amount of people, um, and especially, you know, a big decision like this, I think we need to get as many

people out there as possible. So my thought would be, you know, as I stated at the prior meeting, I, I would like to, you know, the board to consider and look at Monday, June 9th, uh, and consider, um, that as the time so we can accommodate the most voting.

Um, and Joe Joe, can you stop sharing, uh, so we can just look, uh, see the. The whole board. Sorry, thank you. So that, that is my opinion. No, thank you, Tom. Um, does anybody else on the board want to make a motion or make a comment, but please go ahead. Go be recognized.

I'd like to ask a question, Joe, like. I think early mid last week reached out to you to ask about um shuttling services and what the COA might be able to provide for for our seniors, and I wasn't sure what the outcome of that was yet if there was any updates you could provide.

So yeah, so I want a couple of different directions. The Council on Aging director said that she does have a group of volunteers that are that has and will offer rides for seniors who want them on the night of uh special coming whenever it is. And I've spoken to the executive director of CAA about

doing the same thing. Instead of doing a shuttle from Winthrop to, the CAA already provides a senior van services for us, so when people during the weekday hours need rides to medical appointments and such, they can contact CADA to get a free ride. Um, I've talked to the executive director.

She needs us to set up, uh, set the date. I told her we were tentatively talking about uh we, that we, the board had voted for June 7th. Um, but she says let me know if they're gonna talk about, let me know what the date is and I'll let you know how many bands I can make available.

So they, they seem interested in helping us. And so that information, you know, if there's when we make the post on, on our website, presumably that information can be kind of front and center, you know, that so people can, can access that. Is there another way for us to get that information out to those, those groups?

Uh, we could put it through the, the senior center, uh, folks who participate in the senior center are signed up through my senior center and they can get emails and text alerts through that. We can also put it in the town, uh, in the, uh, uh, senior center newsletter. I believe there's still time to.

Put one in for the June, although I don't know if that'll come out before June 9th. May not, but text alerts, uh, and email alerts for seniors who signed up to my senior center town website, social media sites, uh, we could probably put something in the HW News in advance of that.

OK. Um, I kind of wanna echo a little bit of what Tom is saying, um, based on all the feedback from the community that we've received this week, um, it does start to trend towards, you know, needing to shift our thinking a little bit around, um, you know, we're not, we're not in April

anymore, we're, we're in June, there's a lot of celebrations happening, there's graduations, there's recitals, um, etc. and that these These are important for families that they're having to make an sort of impossible uh trade-off, um at this time of year that was not in existence in in April,

um, so hopefully it starts to shed a bit of light on kind of where I'm leaning on this. I think we've helped mitigate the concerns that were raised last week, um, that ultimately kind of led us to, to advise towards trying to make sure we're getting a broad, uh, representation of the demographics in our town.

I think the, the data. Of the town office and Clark were able to scrape out of our most recent two special town meetings that were held at night, um, show that we have really high voter turnout, um, over 50% in the 65+ age brackets. Um, I know we've got Bill Bowler on the line as well.

I think if if there's any additional comments, especially kind of around like Tom's, um. If if there's anything we can do to help keep this meeting efficient kind of for for all attendees, it being a weeknight, um, would be interested to hear from you.

Yeah, I do, I do, I do want to hear talk let's wait till we all, we all go through that's it for me. Uh, Bill Wilson. Yeah, no, I'd just like to echo already what's been said, you know, a week ago, you know, we had a constructive and spirited discussion.

And a date was uh thrown out quickly and we did pivot and I was pretty vocal on it, uh, to have it on Saturday. Um, you know, since then, you know, I have had the opportunity to speak, yeah, to a lot of citizens, definitely read everybody's emails.

Uh, the very next morning, I reached out to Joe and our clerk, and, and Joe, thank you and team for pulling all the data together. We looked at. The last 30 ATMs or STMs, and we looked at the counts and tried to make sense whether the attendance was based on evening

or weekday or weekend or uh we found it was mostly on the topic, uh, and people would come out um based on the topic. We saw our largest uh town meeting recently with the school. Uh, I think second to that was the Prairie property back in 2013, which was a Tuesday.

Um, so people come out for topics, uh, that are important. Um, and like it's already been said, the data does show that our seniors are vocal. You know, I think, Joe, you said they're about 20, 20% of our population yet, uh, in the, the, the evening meetings we looked at, they represented about 55% of the vote.

Uh, so I appreciate uh all the seniors, I guess I'm at this point, but, uh, and their ability and willingness to come out and vote. Um, I think, you know, as I look around at all the other special town meetings for 3A that are going on, dozens and dozens. They all seem to be on weeknights.

I think for families, uh, to maximize, uh, attendance, uh, people are going to earlier, uh, on week, weeknights and Saturdays are full of weddings, graduations, uh, it's the end of the school season, there's recitals, soccer games, things, If you will, that are, that are really difficult to move. life events.

And if our goal is to maximize attendance, you know, I definitely have, uh, come to the, uh, um, consensus in myself that, you know, we should move this, uh, you know, to an evening night, Monday the 9th, makes sense to me. Uh, it should be early, you know, 6:30 or so.

Uh, I don't want to get in the way of commuters, but, uh, also don't want to lead it into the night. I think sunset on that night is around 8:20. So I think we have plenty of uh of sunlight, uh, and the ability for people to drive to and from. Uh, with that, the accommodations, Joe, you

mentioned some vans, we should offer the ability for those who are uncomfortable, you know, rides to and from. Uh, so with the accommodations and an early start and uh with Bill running an efficient meeting, um, you know, uh, I'm in support of uh Monday, the 9th meeting. Oh, Rosemary?

Well, I guess my first question is, when is a vote ever a decision in this town? Um, we had a very long conversation about this issue last week. Everybody was 80%, 4 out of 5 were in agreement that in order to allow our seniors and people who are maybe not so senior to

be able to come and vote. We decided that a Saturday morning was the best decision. Um, So that's that, that's my first question. So, um. There are hardships for people to come out at night. It's not just a matter of sitting somebody on a van and driving them there, then they have to go back to where the

van originated from, and they would still have to drive home. I think we had talked about this last week. There's there's the fatigue factor, um.

00:33:40,369	I, I do believe, so, so I, I feel rather um unsettled about the fact that we just change our minds on a whim and it's so frustrating. Why do we even bother to vote? Um, a few letters come in and, oh well, we just, we have to give way.

Um, I, I'm gonna say something that might, that, that might come as a shock, but You know, We are not a school district with a funding source. We are a town that encompasses a school district within it, and we have various demographics in this town who have varied needs, and it's unfortunate that it seems that

all of our efforts go to accommodate.

00:34:37,000	Parents, and it seems unfair that we don't think about the other demographics in the town and I think that we need to think about that, that it's not just parents or children who will be upset if this if this school district, um, the school consolidation doesn't pass. I think about the tax burden to people who are unlimited

incomes, people who don't have the Unfettered ability to work harder and more maybe people in their 50s or 60s who are winding down their careers feel like the tax implications are substantial and nobody is listening to that aspect. We are a town and we need to understand that we need to

think about needs of everybody in this town. And so that said, it's clear that the board has Absolutely changed his mind and is going to vote for a Monday meeting to accommodate a particular demographic. So I would want the meeting to be earlier than 6:30. Yeah. Thank you, Rosemary.

I mean, I, I, I applaud the board that they listened, open their ears, and, and we made a quick decision last week and they, they went and got the data and they talked to people and uh and I think that's OK that we have have further discussion.

But um but in order to do that, we need a motion. So I have, do I have a motion to move a special time meeting to June 9th at 6:30 p.m.? Yes, I'll, I'll make that. Mr. Chair, do you want to, do you want to, uh,

00:36:21,369	Mr. Chair, do you want to hear from the moderator once the motion is made? Do I want to hear from what sorry, from the moderator once the motion is once the motion is made, yes. Mm, I'm, I motion to move the date of the upcoming special town meeting to to June 9th.

motion to make it at 7 p.m.

00:36:45,369	We we, we're gonna do 6:30? Yeah, I thought. I'm, I'm, I would ask for 6.

00:36:53,769	That's a compromise.

00:36:57,769	Well, I didn't get a second. You want me to make a second? I'll, I'll, I'll motion again. Am I allowed to motion again? Sure. You didn't get a second motion to move the date of the upcoming special town meeting to June 9th at 6:30 p.m. I have a second, 2nd. OK. Let's hear from uh Bill Bowler, please.

Um, OK, um, I'm available either date. Um, I've done, uh, Town meetings and on a Saturday and I've done them on weeknights and uh in terms of the tone of the meeting, I can't say that I've noticed any difference. Um, so, um, I think, if, if, if the board, um,

If it's the board's will that it be uh on a, on a weeknight, I think that's fine, and I don't think the debate will be any uh different than it would be if it were on a Saturday, so, um, either, either day or time works for me.

Yeah. Um, I see we have some hands raised, but we had a debate on this last week and we had some open questions on the board on the time. So we're not gonna, there's not, uh, an agenda I don't have public debate on the timing of the meeting. So, maybe if you have questions, you can email them

to, to Joe, and he can, we can get back to you the questions that you have with your hand raised. Um, but otherwise, other than that, we'll go to a roll call vote. We'll start with uh. On my screen, uh, left to right, uh Tom Myers. Tom Meyers, I. Uh, Rosemary Kennedy. Can I amend the motion?

00:38:52,099	Can I make a motion to amend the time?

00:38:57,869	you can make a motion to amend that need to be seconded. I make a motion that we amend the time to 6 o'clock to amend to to accommodate a wide variety of demographics. We're a town and we have a wide variety of demographic. In this town.

00:39:23,530	Sorry, did you make a motion? She, she did. She, she moved to to amend the motion to 6 p.m. So I have a second.

00:39:36,630	I so we're back to the original motion. So Rosemary, I need, I need a vote out of you, please. Can I just have a second to think, please. Yes, not a problem. I'll come back to you. Uh, Benalooza, Bengalooza, I. Uh, Bill Wilson. Yeah, Bill Wilson and I, I think 6:30 is a good, good time

and, and accommodation for all.

00:40:02,530	Oh, Rosemary Kennedy.

00:40:07,530	Rosie Kennedy I Uh, William Olson, I. I mean, I, I, I, I appreciate the tough discussion. I think at the end of the day this is the best compromise to get everybody there and we're gonna work really hard to make sure that we get a lot of people to get the right, the

right vote for this town and, and the right message and, and, and everybody to get input to it. So if you have questions that didn't get answered tonight, please email them to Joe and you'll circulate them to the right person.

00:40:36,469	Uh, That's all that's all the business on the agenda, Mr. Chair. Uh, I would note that just so you know, given the vagaries of, um, the calendar, uh, where Memorial Day is being recognized this year, the last day to post, uh, the warrant, uh, for this time meeting will stay the same. It will be posted on Friday.

The 23rd. So all the rest of the calendar that I provided for uh to you at the last meeting to prepare for this meeting, everything stays the same. Uh, by moving this just two days, the only thing that changes, I'm sorry, Corin will tell me if I don't address

this, the only thing that changes is that by moving it to the 9th, voters will have until May 30th to register to vote. Uh, so if you're not a registered voter, if you didn't return in your census and you've been cleared from the voting rolls, you should contact the clerk's office to

make sure that you get registered to vote so that you can show up at time meeting and vote by May 30th, um, and you can do that by contacting the clerk's office.

00:41:34,730	Uh, um, Joe, can you remind me what time Wynham starts on the same day? I think they're starting at 6:30 as well.

00:41:44,829	Yeah, 30, which is, which is good. Um, and do we know like, or will we speak about presentations of the school's obviously gonna have to divide and conquer uh at this point. Yeah, I mean, again, I think that the board should make the decision that's in the best interest of Hamilton and let

the school the school department make the determination it has to make to try to make its case. Um, I think that, uh, we'll have a draft script at your, I think we should have it at your next meeting if my memory serves on the actual calendar, so you should have a script by this time next week.

And, um, and then we can, then during the script discussion, we can talk about who makes motions, etc. etc. Gotcha. I would, I would say to be prepared to sign. We'll have the warrant ready to be finalized. You'll probably at that meeting on Monday, need to take votes on your recommendations for the two articles, and we're hoping

to get the FICO as well, but you'll need to make your votes so that I can get your votes into the warrant, and you can sign the warrant that night.

00:42:44,869	Sounds good. Uh, we do have a meeting next Monday as well, that a that agenda will be posted Thursday, Thursday.

00:42:56,130	All right, so I have a motion to adjourn.

So. 00:43:02,670	motion moved by Tom, seconded by Bill Wilson, a roll call vote. We'll start with Tom Myers. Tom Myers I, Rosie Kennedy. Rosie Kennedy I. Ben Gluza, Benza, and Bill Wilson. Bill Wilson I. William Wilson, I, thank you very much. Have a good evening. Good evening. Thanks, Bill.