whenever you are. Can you pull up Yes. Please All right. This is a select board agenda. For August 13, 2024. We’re starting at 6:32. This learning meaning is virtual via Zoom. Um, please be advised that this meeting is being broadcast live via Zoom. It can also, it was also recorded for playback video on demand. Viewing at hwcam.org.

Please note that other than call to order all. Times are estimated. So let’s start Open the meeting at 6:32. Why did that disappear again? I’m just pulling up the uh amended agenda here. Which is why he’s pulling up for the we’re moving on to the appointments that I get up real quick. We need a

roll call being on Zoom, is that right? For attendance You. Peter Clazier. Deirdre Prati. spend time in You’re in anger. Right. OK, um, Public input, 10 minutes is reserved for public input 2 minutes per person. A person may speak only once. All participants wishing to address the select board during public

comments, they do so via Zoom by virtually raising their hands. Speakers must identify themselves by name and street address. The select board may not deliberate or vote on matters discussed during public comment, but are not on the agenda. Don’t see any hands. The hands uh for public comment.

No hands. No hands. All right, no cars, uh reports and announcements? Anybody? Uh, there, there are none. Um, And no correspondence. So Let’s turn on on to new business. Let’s start with appointments. A one fire department provisional coal firefighter appointment, Zach W. Shutts. Yep, so this is um provisional call firefighter as mentioned,

ending uh his his uh entry and completion of um the firefighter academy and a cola report, uh, cola, uh Coy report. Do we have emotions? A move that we appoint Zach W. Schultz. As a provisional call firefighter. Scary seconds. Any discussion? All right, we’ll vote. I vote yes. Deirdre, yes.

Yes. Shan, yes. OK, so let’s um get moved down to B. Affordable housing trust appointments, Judith Briski, Kristen Crockett, Nicole Roebuck. Just, um, For a point of clarification on B and C, Mr. Jarrett, uh, on B, there are 2 seats and 3 candidates. So in this, in similarly on sea, there is one seat and 2

candidates. See, we have a recommendation from the Conservation Commission, and B, we do not have any official recommendation. There are 3 candidates and 2 seats. So in this situation, the board would need to select two of the candidates for appointment. To fill both seats. I will also note that it does not appear that All interested uh

individuals uh were able to make it tonight. So, uh, you know, I’ll leave it up to the board to decide how they’d like to proceed. Uh, discussion. By anybody? Starting with B B I would, uh, Definitely support Nicole Roebuck and Judy Barriski that would represent uh the only positions in town,

whereas Kristen Crockett certainly has a great resume, but uh I think recently we appointed her to two other committees already. So I, I would disagree with that premise. I think Kristen was recently appointed to wish and Cultural council, but those are sort of Minimal responsibility committees and I don’t think that should be a criteria.

I think we also need to look at the lengths. Of uh the number of terms. I was trying to find out how many terms or how many years, um, Judith has been on the AHG. As well as other members of the committee because it seems to me that the committee, any committee could benefit for some from some

turnover. And some new candidates as well as our. stated goals in the past I’ve heard multiple times before and after I was elected about bringing new people into boards and committees, so I think we need a little fuller discussion. So, um, so who would you, um, suggest, Deirdre? Uh, I would

suggest, well, again, I, I’m still not clear on how many terms Judith has served already, so that’s. How many 2 terms. 6 years. Yes. So then I think I would be in favor of some turnovers, so my recommendation would be Nicky Roebuck and Kristen Crockett. Ben Karen? Um, Having read the resumes and and

what was submitted. Um, I would support. Um, Judy Breski and Nicole Roebuck. Carrots. Yeah I read all of the resumes. I’ve actually worked with two of the ladies or have known them um a little bit and um would also support Judy and. OK. Um, and so would I. So Do we have a motion? I’ll make the motion

then. I moved at the uh select board appoint Judy Ruriski and Nicole roebuck to the Affordable Housing Trust for a uh. Term ending. The uh what? June 30th, 2027. That sound right? Do we have a second? A 2nd. All right, let’s vote. Peter Clay says yes. Yeah yes.

And yes. Karen, yes. I will abstain. All right, let’s move on to the conservation commission. Um, one appointment candidates are Jacqueline LeClaire and Patrick Wilson, and uh Steve said. That the conservation commission has recommended Jacqueline LeClaire. Discussion I have a question, um, Mr. Chair. Sure. And um And

chair called Russo’s letter to us or memo to us, he indicated that the Conservation commission recommends. Um, Ms. LeClaire Um, but he didn’t, he didn’t indicate whether that was unanimous or whether there was a vote, and if so what the. Vote tally was. I don’t know if that’s information that anybody.

Ha, I wasn’t able to see whether the meeting was televised or on um. Um, I believe, I believe there was one. Uh, it was a split vote, uh, one in opposition, but you guys can continue the conversation. I can check and be back in 30 seconds. OK, thanks. I read the, the

information on both candidates, um, and I have Do not know them, nor have I ever worked with them, so I will lean on the commissions. Um, recommendation on that? I watched the Conservation commission meeting last night and listen to the interviews and I would fully support the recommendation of the commissioners. That one.

Yeah, likewise, I would uh welcome Patrick Wilson back into government, but looking at the um the task ahead for the Conservation commission that Jacqueline certainly has a very robust and up to date uh scientific background, so I would support Jacqueline. I think we should just Wait for

Steve. Kind of unusual to have a meeting where we have nobody. Watching. Mm. Oh Who’s making those sounds? I don’t hear them. I’m not sure. I don’t hear him, Peter. Someone’s going on at your house. Must be. So Steve, it’s really uh Oh, he’s not there. Joe Is, isn’t it weird that um you get Michelle sends

out stuff to me. And I can’t open them. So I have to send them to my Gmail account. Yeah, a separate account that is, yeah, that’s, I’m not sure what’s going on there. I thought that was just me. That’s, that is also me. I have the same problem. You’re not

able to open the. PDFs. I have to send them all to my Gmail account. Uh, promote Judith, I believe it’s 4 to 2. So, can you promote uh Judith? Yes, I say Judith was, uh, I believe there, so. Yeah, uh, Supertru also has her hand up as well, Mr. Chairman, just so you know.

She does. Yes. Over Judith right now. So, um, Judith, are you here? Can you hear me now, Joe? Yes. OK. I just wanted to let you know that I’m here when you said nobody was watching you. OK. Uh, you know the vote count from last night, we were, uh, it was 42. I have no idea.

I was not there. OK. It was 42. Yeah, all right, so 42 is confirmed. All right, so do we have a a a motion for a Conservation Commission candidate Jacqueline LeClaire. I will say like before emotions made additional piece of information, the feedback I got from Kate before she left was

that The commission said that they were both very qualified. Uh, and, you know, they would love that if they could be an associate position, so we’re gonna take a look at the charge and You know, let’s see, so that could be a request coming back to the board. For an alternate, if that’s in the

charge. In the, in the charge, meaning We can make it part of the, we could make a motion to that effect or, no, no, no, I just, you know, I guess the, the, I read into the question of if it was a unanimous or a split vote being, you know, who

is more qualified and I think that, uh, you know, it being split and the comment being that they’re both very qualified makes, you know, both of them good candidates with the recommendation falling towards um uh Jacquelyn McClare. Mm. All right, so do we have a motion? Or I moved that that we

appoint Jacqueline LeClaire to the conservation mission. Um, for a term, and I have no idea. Uh July 1. 2024. Dry Go ahead. Through um June 30th, 2027. Through June 30th, 2027. Jerry seconds. Discussion For further discussion. Um, go ahead, Ben. I um I think we’re fortunate to have two very highly qualified candidates and certainly Ms.

LaClair’s. Resume is is impressive and um. Spot on with a lot of the issues that the Conservation commission has to deal with. Having said that, I. Support Patrick Wilson for the position of. Both because he also has a lot of experience. In the land use, um, area generally and quite a bit of

experience um in town government. Excluding on uh the select board. And I think, um, I think the commission would, you know, benefit greatly to have him, have him back. So I recognize that there may be a majority for Ms. LeClaire, and I think she’d be excellent, but I just wanted to state for the

record my support for Patrick Wilson. Any other discussion? Um, So we have a motion. It’s been seconded. So, um, We look about Peter Clay votes yes in favor of Jacqueline Leclere. Scare us Dereus. And no. Karen, yes. And uh further to the point you were making, um, Ben. I want to thank Kristen Crockett and both and Pat

Wilson for um running or or volunteering to uh For these positions. It’s we’re very lucky when we have more than more more people. Seeking appointment then then there are other spots. All right, let’s go to D. Um, Appointing dean W. Peterson as the police chaplain. Do we have any discussion on this one? So one year ointment,

I believe. So it will be through June. July 1, 24 through June 30th, 25. All right, I moved the weappoint. Dean W. Peterson, police chaplain through Third, um, 6 Is it June, June 30th. 2025. Cars. Um, all right, we’re gonna vote, uh, Peter Clay says yes. Deirdreas Gary yes And yes.

He. All right. Note those unanimous. All right, now, the two of the big B, discussion of potential vote to sign Hamilton wonham public library condensing unit. Replacement project agreement dated August 13th, 2024. Yep, so, uh, as the board is aware of this, the Hamilton Wynham public library

as a shared service, excuse me, Wenham is the lead. In this this service and This is a um This is an opera project for Wenham and a traditionally funded capital project through free cash for Hamilton, the town of Wham dedicated $80,000 of ARPA funds, uh, which is 1/3 of the $240,000 totally allocated to the project.

However, we ran into uh some unforeseen interior issues uh like in the walls with the refrigerant lines. So the project became more costly than originally anticipated. Luckily, the problem unit, there were 2 units, we originally gonna replace replace both units. However, uh, the problem unit, uh, we were still able to

replace just the problem unit, um, with a big amount of $194,000 to ATCO Incorporated. We conducted a competitive bid process, uh, they had to contract with uh the prevailing wage. And uh comply with mass procurement law. And um, So that’s the contract that you have before you have to replace the problem, um. I guess what

they call it a condensing unit on the roof of the library. With when I’m contributing 1/3 of $194,000 and Hamilton, uh, Contributing the rest. Any discussion? Uh, Gary, just a quick question, uh, just for the public, all these contracts uh have been reviewed by KP Law and the Town procurement officer, is that correct?

That’s correct. All right, Joe. I can’t see what I’m making a motion on. Uh Oh So Peter, the uh the motion will will go like this. It will go um. Uh, I, I moved to to sign the contract that Hamilton went on public library condensing unit replacement project agreement

dated August 13, 2024 with ATCO Incorporated. So moved. Uh. I second Uh, and discuss, discussion? All right, let’s vote. Uh, Peter Clay says yes. Deirdres Gary yes Then yes. Karen, yes. All righty, move on to see. Discussion and potential vote to permit the one of his to include town-owned property in a historic walkthrough and

install a 5x8 sign containing a QR code with information about the property. Actually, this is very cool. Yes, I’m not sure if everyone got a chance to to to read the request but it sounds like the the uh When a museum is uh putting together a to a

tour, a historic tour around town and they would like to include some uh when I’m pro town-owned property in that tour and permission to put a QR sign so the folks on the tour can scan it with their cell phones and get information. Yep. Hugh Peters monument. Gary, where is that? Is that right?

Wynham Lake? Right, that’s the big stone next to one lake. OK, got it. And a quick question. So are we voting on this is going to be the one sign on the town hall property. That what they’re actually asking for? Well, permission to include it, permission to include The

property on their tour, so I guess to be able to visit it and also to put The sign probably on like a little metal stand I’m guessing with a little 5 by 8 index card, similar size. Uh, you know, with a QR code so that you can

scan and read or maybe hear about, I’m not sure what the QR code’s gonna activate, but maybe it’s a short video or audio clip. Yes, so, uh, but is it 11 sign or at each location, a sign at each location. OK. Do we have a cemetery commission

concurrence? Um, We do not. Uh, what’s the date of the so, can you scroll up? What’s the date of the tour? Mhm Yeah, they go back, I’m not sure of the date of the tour if we have time, but I that that was my oversight. I didn’t realize the

cemetery commission would need to be and I. I took it, this is a permanent. It’s not a date for the tour, but a permanent. Oh, my understanding was it was it was just a temporary sign for the tour. All along this exhibit’s gonna run. OK. And I certainly can get more clarification of the way I read

it was that it was a, you know, an exhibit that they were running and the sign would only stay for. Is that not your understanding, Gary? No, it’s just wasn’t quite clear, but I certainly support this, this great, uh. initiative to highlight some of the town’s uh.

Sites. So thank you to the one museum. Uh If you need clarification, I can get that or the. Does the board want to grant permission for the town owned and I can come back with the cemetery commission. Authority for the cemetery specifically. They probably vote We could probably Vote to support it and then maybe in

the motion, say, conditioned upon. Cemetery commission. Approval with respect to the sign at the cemetery. Something like that. Yeah, and does the permanence of the sign change. So I make sure we have the authority in line with what the board. Uh, believes. I was gonna suggest in the motion

that we add the word temporary because I, my assumption is that these would be. Up only for as long as the exhibit is in place and I think I. Personally want to think more about the request if it were to be. You know, permanently installed QR code. Yeah, I mean,

honestly, that’s the way I read it. I didn’t even my brain didn’t even go to permanent, uh, but I certainly, I can see why it could, it could be a possibility. I believe if you did put the, put those stipulations with the cemetery commission and add the word temporary, that would take care

of it. OK. And I asked the question, though. Why wouldn’t we want something that’s permanent? I’m just thinking it’s, you know, We’d want to think about The aesthetics of it where, you know, where exactly on the town hall property, for example. It’s going to go where it’s gonna be

installed, how it’s gonna be installed, um. I mean we’ve The museum has sent us mockups of the QR code itself, but I think I. Want to know more about Those details if it were to be permanent, um. And I, I don’t, I’m not saying that the HTC would have necessarily jurisdiction over something.

Over a permanent sign, may may maybe they would, maybe they wouldn’t, um, but if it were permanent, I think I might wanna. Hear from them as well. But my assumption is it’s temporary, but I. Certainly could be, could be wrong about that. I mean, to the extent

that we had permanent, um, Uh Signs with a QR code at all of these wonderful places. That just means that people, you know, our residents can, can, uh, Take a tour whenever they want. Yeah, I agree. I think I mean, I think it’d be a great

thing if, if it’s a permanent tour. I think it’d be great. I just don’t have a, I just don’t really see the details on. Where the permanent QR code placard or what have you, would, would actually be, I think we’d wanna, I’d wanna know. Where is this permanent fixture gonna be?

Another consideration is uh Um, upkeep signs get faded over time, weathered. Uh, maintaining the link, you know, just things like that to think about, you know, how permanence. Right, well, you know, What I The closest analogy I can come up with is um Audubon’s done with Cedar Pond. When you walk

around there, that the signs that actually explain stuff and they and they do have QR codes on some of them. You know, just a heads up, Karen has her hand up. Yep. Karen, Yeah, I’m fully supportive of this. Uh, I understand both aspects of what Peter and Ben are saying. I think we should have this 100%

and in a permanent structure. However, um, You know, 4 or 5 years from now, QRL codes are obsolete and now we’ve got this box in the middle of a town hall, um, and so if we can have a long Uh, uh, you know, a date that is attached to a temporary sign that doesn’t necessarily

have an end date, that would be beneficial. I’d hate to prove something that is permanent, um, and then it’s obsolete and not maintained, you know, a tree falls on it, where does it come from? Who pays for it, that kind of thing, but a temporary structure, um, I’m fully supportive with the idea of

let’s constantly make sure that we’re evolving in times of QRL codes are swapped out, let’s do the newest and greatest thing. I think Peter’s Nailed it by saying it allows people to be able to enjoy the town. It allows people people to have an understanding of local history, so as far as that goes, I

understand both aspects of that. Many comments Deirdre or Gary? Deidre? Uh, I’m fully supportive. I think it’s a great idea. I actually would hope that it becomes permanent at some point and I think it’s uh Goes very nicely with a lot of the strategies and the master plan around preservation

of history and historic resources. So Steve, can we go back, um, To the library folks and and or the lot of museum folks and ask them. Have a discussion, uh, you know, I’d be more than happy to have a discussion with them as well. Specifically on the uh permanence. Yep, and Gary’s got

a question or a comment. Yes, I’d also like to see, you know, fully support this, but how are we gonna blend this in or supplement it with the uh town branding and uh yeah, Cocom science and so forth. If we’re gonna try to unify our tourist message. the person who’s doing that is Kate. Yes. So we should

probably Have her chase this down with the with the museum. Yeah, I’ll make I’ll make first contact. So are you, are you? Proposing to preliminarily approve it as temporary as a temporary sign and you want me to Further inquire about You know, possibly making it permanent and how we can tie it into. The town’s branding.

Sounds good to me. But Ben has his hand up, Peter. And I was, I think this is sort of following on what. The direction you might have been heading in Peter. Um, I think I’d like to get a little bit more information um. From, you know, through Kate or, you know, from the museum, just on, just

on the couple of questions that we’ve raised. Because even though I was suggesting earlier that perhaps we would make a motion, um, that says temporary. I mean, if, if, if, if that’s not the intent. Then It would probably be Um, you know, not a, a good motion to make, um, and so maybe more information.

would be helpful and then we can. align that with with whatever um decision we want to make as a board next time. Um, so our next meeting is the twenty-seventh, right? Correct. Can we just chase chase this down and and Yeah, no problem. The 27. Yeah, yep. Is everybody OK with that? OK. So we will

table. The boat to permit that one museum to include town-owned property and historic walkthrough and install a 5 by 8ign containing a QR code with information about the property. All right, D. Discussion of potential vote to implement the select board liaison program. Yes, so this is, this is brought back by one of our first goal setting

programs, uh. Miss Anger requested that we pick the low hanging fruit and get this going uh immediately. So this is being brought back for the select board’s consideration whether they as a whole would like to reimplement the program and then further have discussion on what boards and committees and potentially members, but you know, you

don’t have to get that far tonight. Just uh we could start the discussion though. Well, does everybody have a uh The Committee to liaison with? first you want to first ask for a motion to um. And reimplement the select boy liaison program because it’s you’ve been somewhat abandoned. And then uh we talk about the committees

and representatives. I moved to implement to reimplement the select board liaison program. Do you have a second? OK. A second. Um, and Like a boat, Peter Koy says yes. About discussion. OK, you want to discuss? Yes, yes, please. How about it? All right, so, uh, I have a couple of concerns here that um What the role the

liaison actually is gonna be because, you know, if a liaison attends a meeting, they are not a member of the meeting, so is uh limited to listening. And it would want to speak, could probably only promptly with OML speak during the public comment period, and then you get into the gray area of, you know, are

you representing the select board or not, and you’re not. But then you are present with that uh resume. Then If the liaison brings information back to the uh select board. I have a concern that that kinda bypasses the town administrator and also cuts out the role of the uh that particular

committee chair because as we voted in the uh Last town meeting to a more formalize the structure of the committees, you know, it’s really the committee needs to take a vote. And a vote for the chair to communicate that up to uh the town administrator and the select board, if there’s a select board action to be taken.

Also, you know, With the 5 members, and I saw it with the 3 members, we need to keep the information. Balanced amongst all the members and when the issue or a decision comes up to the board, I don’t want to have any individual select board member to have already had greater information or have had

an opportunity to influence that committee. In that liaison role before the board comes the uh before the matter comes back up to the uh select board. So I think what I don’t want to take Karen’s words, but I think, you know, I felt it and I’ve seen it on other boards that it’s difficult for individual select

board members to gather up all the information they feel they need, but I think we could improve that if one You know, we have all agendas emailed to the select board members individually, so we can pick and choose which ones we would want to review afterwards on Zoom and also I would think

that a bit more workload on us, but I’d like to see all minutes automatically. Come to the select board so that we can review them rather than having to go individually through all the committees on the website to pick out the different um Minutes. And then, uh, finally, I think, you know, we do have a

couple of exceptions here. So the Affordable Housing Trust does have a select board member, but that’s by state law. We have uh an ex officio slack board member on the wish committee, and I think that was originally set up because they were monies being spent. Uh, because the Privacy Act and

that’s donations that weren’t quite out in the public view. And of course, we do have the uh The position from the select board on the Veterans Committee, which I think was traditional because it um the select board wanted. To be able to um Ensure that the 2nd largest other than the town meeting, that the

Memorial Day and uh Veterans Day activities, big public events, had the townwide support. So, I’m not too uh hot on liaisons cause I think it uh imbalances the uh the committee possibility, and also I want one focal point. The town administrator to be the uh conduit for all information.

So, both the town administrator has full knowledge and then not bypasses on them, so that’s my speech. Ben Thank you, Gary. I share some of your concerns about The implementation of this, I think the concept is, is has a lot going for it, but I do. Worry that the devil’s in the details and that in the

implementation that some of those issues could arise. Um, I also think that with respect to communications coming from Other boards. To the select board, there might be some benefit for there to be a designated select board member to whom A another board could. You know, approach, um, with the question and issue uh

proposal for coordination or what have you. But But then I think that probably the appropriate channel for those kinds of communications would be chair to chair, and we’ve seen some examples of. You know, not, not, nothing too recent, but I can think of an example or two within the last few

couple of years where, you know, a member of a board may have communicated something and that person wasn’t the chair and it should be the chair that’s sort of speaking for the board. And probably chairs of those boards should communicate. Formal, uh, you know, communications with the chair of the select board.

So I think, I think it can become a little bit. Could, could become a little muddied, this liaison program, and then I also wonder about the expectations. Terms of time commitment, um. all of us are, are busy and speaking for myself, sometimes it’s a struggle to, you know, even

fulfill. Uh responsibilities of this board, so, you know, you may have some liaisons who are You know, much more active in in their liaising with the board and then others, um, who aren’t as active and that creates a little bit of an imbalance as well, so. I’m not, I’m not convinced that we need

this badly enough that. It would outweigh some of the. Implementation problems that that I Foresee uh similar to those of Gary’s identified. So can I just ask uh a question probably of you, Gary. Um, What was the intent of this? And how long was it When, when did it get started? We have not we

have not had it in the last 4 years prior to that, I’m not sure. Um, OK, so any thoughts, Karen Deirdre? Uh, actually, I’ll just jump in and say I, I, I, I kind of agree with Ben and Gary that that. It isn’t necessary. And can be problematic. I think that I’m torn because I think the goal

of improving communication and creating linkages. Between boards and committees, particularly with the select board is an important goal. And I’m not sure. How effectively we can do that differently. Then this though I agree with a number of the issues that Gary raised and I would not want to see the liaison take the place

of the conduit from the chair through the town administrator to the board. I think that would have to be absolute. Um, So I’m kind of torn, but I also think Even though you said it’s structural, but there are some committees that have select board members on it so there’s already sort of disproportion.

With that, so is there a way to retract those seats if we think that liaisons are not the way to go, so that everything is fair and balanced. Yeah Well, the, um, As I said, the Affordable Housing Trust membership of this says as the chief executive has to have a representative and that’s state

law. So we can’t retract that one. Surely the uh the wish committee. Um, It’s ex officio, so I’m not sure, you know. That ex officio liaison really Has that much uh to do in there and then um The Veterans Committee, I think that’s just tradition, and certainly we have an exceptionally well run Veterans

Committee, and uh that can uh Probably do without the select board membership. Although Ben’s the current one there, and there are some advantages. As far as the bigger, you know, Memorial Day event. I’m sure there are. It’s just if, if we’re saying liaisons isn’t the way to go, then I think that’s an issue that there are some

with liaison Does the Affordable Housing Trust required to be a select board member or can it be a member of staff? No, it’s the uh the state law says it has to be a member of the executive authority of the town, the select board or city council. So But the others we can Dispense with if everybody

agrees. Karen? But Yeah, I’m listening to Gary and Ben. It’s, they make a lot of really good points, um. I also agree with Deidre that that. If you’re gonna do. If you’re only gonna do a few, you should only do the one that’s state required, so, um, I’m leaning more towards there shouldn’t be a

select board member on the individual committees at this point outside of the Affordable Trust and, and, um, Gary, that is you, correct? Yes, currently, yes. So the ones that are in question are Which. OK. Well, and I guess further to that if if affordable housing trust is required. And that’s the sole

one that we end up with, then perhaps there should be a rotation that is, you know, one year. One member so that everyone has the same opportunity. Quite so. I, I, I buy into that. Be Right, I mean, I don’t wanna, I, I, I, I didn’t intend to. Contribute to a conversation that concludes

with. My liaison position to the vet can being eliminated. Um, I wouldn’t want that. But I, I. Understand the the. Theatre’s comment regarding consistency, um. So I don’t know that I would be in favor of. Taking any vote now that changes the status quo, I think, you know, we wanna. A. took me

outside the scope of the agenda item. Thank you, at this point Personally, I would, I, I would be comfortable myself, um. You know, either tabling. D or, or taking a vote in the negative with respect to D, um, either one of those. Option seems Right to me. Anyone else? I guess I would prefer to defer

it and not take any action and sort of leave it for people to think through a bit more perhaps come back with definitives. Mm. Ready for motion then, Peter? Yep. I move that we uh table uh item D and E. Second, I just think about,

Peter says yes. S, yes. Yeah And yes. Her yes. OK, so I was the one who asked for app to be on there. Dis discussion of potential vote to amend the recently adopted flag policy to include a clause allowing the flag to be flown at half mast for intervals who meet specific criteria. Having talked about

that with Gary, uh, no. Not happening. Um, Go ahead, G. So perhaps should explain, so this came up, I think a year or so ago and uh we did some research on it, so actually the United States Code. delegates the, uh, half-staff decision to the president of the US or a state governor for a specific uh Um,

positions. And uh at that time, the town went out and bought the black uh morning drapes. To uh Put over the town hall front door. So that perhaps is an alternative we can continue with for uh Individuals that we think ought to be recognized at their passing. The, um, Of course, uh, traditionally, the

town has. Put the American flag to half-staff, that decision made at a lower level than the select board as to who to win, and I think that was mostly for uh Town veterans and occasionally for a Ex-employees. Or long term uh residents. So perhaps we need a policy on the

the drapes. But I don’t think we can have a written policy that uh You know, Supplements the Congress. All right, Gary, you wanna, that doesn’t sound like something very hard to write up. We can work on it. The Drake policy. Yep. OK, so old business. Continue discussion of FY 25 goals and objectives. Sure. Mr.

Chairman, if I, yeah. I think we just have to, if you don’t mind, Mr. Chairman, we have a uh another agenda topic that’s on the amended agenda, I believe, regarding the climate action sustainability. Oh right. Let me just pull that up. So I’ll just give a little background on this. On Thursday, I believe

I received a letter. Uh, from, uh, Supatrolia on behalf of the Wham climate action Sustainability Committee requesting that, um, we submit an application for a grant to fund a community boat, community-based clean energy. When Um, the problem with that is that we had already prepared an application to replace 16 iron rail windows with the same

grin, the grants for $50,000 both projects are Um, expected to be about $50,000 and you cannot exceed that amount. So it’s a one or the other uh situation. After reviewing. The climate action committee meeting. Um, you know, it seemed that they had some concerns that came with their uh recommendation. They chose to pursue the request.

However, some of the concerns were that, you know, this community-based clean energy plan would deal only with energy. And that it would that would be a relatively narrow scope with not a lot that the town could do where it’s already pursuing a CCA plan which would grant our residents the opportunity

to source, um, you know, more economically, uh. Smart or a cheaper, clean energy, and to be able to adjust based on that and also the concern that the uh Uh, it deals, you know, narrowly with just energy, and that is leaving out other important things like uh water. Uh, and the environment, air quality and uh other, other

things like that. So, you know, and, and, and further, they’re also there was the concern with there were unsure with how it fit into kind of the grand scheme of things, like how urgent they didn’t know much about the Arail project, how urgent it was, uh, and you know, kind of why it was prioritized

for this grant program, you know, are they concerns around that about not pushing that program out if it was of importance to the town. I will say that the iron rail, uh. Um Windows were are something that, you know, Mike has brought to my attention every year since I’ve been here, uh, and then,

you know, several years prior he’s been trying to get funding to replace these windows, so the original windows lead paint, uh, the interoperable, you can’t open them, uh, they’re a single pane original to the structure, uh, they leak. Uh, so, you know, they, they really need to be replaced. It’s just

that. Due to the nature of the building, they’ve never boiled up to the level of getting it replaced through our capital program. So this is a unique opportunity, grant program that typically doesn’t cover uh windows uh in a situation like this. So, uh, you know, for those reasons, my, my

recommendation would be to stay with the iron rail, however, um, I believe Sue’s here, Peter, if you wanted to recognize her, and um, you know, that the board can have a discussion and establish. willing to prepare the iron rails already prepared, we’re currently drafting. The community-based clean energy

plan grant, so you know we’re willing to do whatever the select board would like to do in this situation. So should we hear from Sue? Maybe like 3 or 4 minutes. Please. Yes. Sue, are you here? Yes, sorry, I, I needed to be um Allowed in, I

guess. Um, uh. I, I don’t know if I want to be a panelist. Do I want to be a panelist? You don’t have to, uh, you can just, we can just, we can still hear you. Um, so, Uh Um First of all, uh, so our grant, the one on climate actionstainability

Committee, um, our mandate, the number one thing is to recommend and establish a climate action plan and sustainability goals, performance indicators and priorities for implementation. So we have no way of doing that unless we have some sort of uh metric and a way to measure what are the towns, not just

the municipality, but the town including the all all the um Residences are doing what they’re using, what the metric is, how we’ll know, um, and where we should go forward. Without a plan, we’re just floating around, which is fine. Um, uh, this is also a, a rare opportunity to do a municipal

clean energy. Grand. Um, I understand the windows, believe me, I did all the green community stuff when it first, the 1st 4 years, and I understand the need for that. Um. So, I also, the CCA uh suggestion of the um purchasing the energy as a group for Wenham and ability to go to uh

green energy that is not at all, um, related. To um to getting metrics and measuring where we are in regard to our climate action goal, which is net zero. By 2040. So it’s sort of up to you guys what you wanna do, but that was, uh, we believe that was our mandate, um to start

figuring out where we are, what the plan is, and how we’re gonna get there. And it is very difficult. We need help doing it. I’ve been trying to figure it out for years and years how you um measure. Residential energy use and where it’s coming from. We don’t really know how to measure um the uh

solar that’s coming through. We don’t know how to offset that by oil and gasses. We don’t know a lot of this stuff, and it’s complicated. Um, so Vicky came to me and asked me if we were interested in doing that when on climate action was cast,

uh, and I said yes, so it took us over 2.5 weeks to get a meeting together cause we’re a little discombobulated, um, at summertime. So that’s why it’s so late. Are there any questions? When is the Grand due? The grand due is is due on Friday, but Vicky indicates she’s able to um to ride it

easily enough. Um, the other thing is, um, We, in the, in the um master plan, we also have a goal to achieve community-wide net zero carbon emissions by 2040 saying but it’s community-wide, which is why I think this is an important grant. It gives us some more visibility. Into the

residential use. We have the mass inside information on when I’s municipal buildings. Uh, basic information, but we don’t know how we’re offsetting it by the library, solar, or any other thing we’re doing. Um, And also, uh, if we are interested, which is also part of our mandate, like finding

more grants and things like that. If we’re interested in becoming climate leaders through the green communities. Um, Grant Division Uh, that’s the next level. Uh, we would be open for more more grants and more things and, you know, higher level of what we’re able to get and we’re able to do.

Having a climate action plan is one of the three things that our town, Lennon would need to do, um. In order to apply to become a climate leader. That’s kind of a forward thinking, but A climate action plan, just given the fact that they require it. To get to the next level of green communities is

something that All the town. I’m going to need So, um, so this is what I’m gonna say, um, and this is for my, uh, Here’s, um, This kind of feels like You know, the high school deferred maintenance for way too long. And it, and, you know, it’s not just the high school, it’s the

other schools as well. Um, And this Iron wheel needs this. He improved windows. They absolutely, they just need it. And um if we just kicked the uh stone down the road. You know, we’re gonna be back Again, trying to figure out how to fix iron rail because it leaks. Um, I think Uh, so it’s, it’s a

short term issue that we, we should not. Pass up in terms of fixing iron rail. And if your goal is to uh Get us energy, whatever, um, by 2040. I something leads would believe that you’re probably gonna have another opportunity for a grant. Um, in the next year. Maybe a year and a half. Does that make

sense? And then I, and I, you know, my peers understand what you’re saying. Any thoughts, folks? So my initial question. Sorry Sorry, Deirdre, Deirdre. My, my initial question was Is the ceiling on this grant. Sufficient enough that we could request some funding for a consultants and some for Windows. I don’t know what the

windows quote is. Or if he’s looking to use the entire budget ceiling, so that’s one question. And then I guess the other question is in terms of iron rail. I mean, I certainly can understand the importance of the windows, but we. The future of iron rail is still uncertain. Is it still if if we

were to get the grant, is it still a worthwhile investment for the Windows, despite the fact that we don’t know what the future of iron rail is. Then My question is, um, Which of these two needs? would be uh more achievable through a second grant. In other words, is there, is there other A range of grant.

Opportunities. That would be available to us in the future. To get new windows and iron rail. Versus Grant opportunities to achieve what. We’d be seeking in The uh WCASC. I’m sorry, the EECBG. Alphabet soup. I asked um Vicky that same question this morning, um, when I called her to see if she was able to still write the

grant, uh, and she said that she, she doesn’t know of anything for either at this point. I know the windows have been difficult to do and it’s not, I mean. Building envelope is not such a sexy thing to do anymore, right? Um, so I unders I do understand it. I think it’s a question of what you, it,

it’s, it’s, I’m glad you’re making the decision. Steve, do you have any sense of that, that, that, that question? No, a similar we’ve talked about it internally, that’s that same question and I think generally we don’t know of any grants specifically for either project. However, I think that given.

You know, the, the current push for climate change and green initiatives. It just seems that they would be more opportunity to A grant to um out there for, you know, some sort of energy plan. Land for windows. that’s my, that’s my thought. I also had a question if I, if I may, Mr. Chair, just on process.

Oh I see, I see, uh, Karen’s hand. I didn’t see that Karen’s hand was up before, so Karen, you probably have had your hand up. Where’s my no, go ahead, finish your thought, Ben. I’ll go right after. Thank you. Um, so I watched the um. The Watch and listen to the the last climate action. Um, And sustainability

committee meeting where this was addressed. And uh. You know, listen to what was a very intelligent discussion amongst the members. I was a little bit confused by um. Uh, mister. Um, You’re gonna say anger out my thoughts on, no, no, sorry. Mr. Stoddard’s, my apologies. I was a little, a little confused by

Mr. Stoddard’s. Email to Steve because the impression that I. Go and so you could correct me. I, I think process is is important and maybe important in this decision too, but I just wanna have a sense of how the process worked here. The impression I got was that.

Your committee. Voted to support. Um, Putting forward the the letter that you that that was was put forward and there was some discussion of editing of the letter and so on and I think the draft that was talking about the CCA letter. Are you talking about the CCA letter?

about OK. Right. So, so there was a draft grant letter that was discussed in the meeting. There was a vote of all the members there to. Move forward with that letter. After some editing, and I presume there was, you know, there definitely was some editing because it was

a different letter I could tell from the paragraph lengths and so on. The impression I had was that that the committee, you know, was supporting this. EECBG grant. But, but not to the exclusion of the window plan. I didn’t, I didn’t get the sense that the committee.

realized that it was an either or. Maybe I was, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the committee knew it was either or. We discussed that in the original. Disgusted of it, yeah, and that’s what we decided, we said we’d just let the board decide that’s your job. OK, all right, so I, I, I missed that part. I wasn’t

Colby was saying that he wasn’t sure if which would be more important and what should we do. So there was definitely they were aware of that for sure. OK. So, OK, so the OK, that, that clarifies it for me. I just, I, I wasn’t exactly sure. Whether there is a communication

breakdown somewhere along the way, and if there was, it probably was in in my uh not understanding the full context of the meeting that I was watching, but that’s helpful. I appreciate that we put forth this letter is because we’re trying to do our job, right? And if we just say, oh well, that’s going on, we won’t

bother them with that. We’re just trying to fulfill our mandate, and this is a good way we thought to do it, so there’s not there, there wasn’t any like, you know. Let’s push out the windows thing or anything, no, I didn’t, I didn’t think that there was. I just, that’s helpful context to me. I just

wanted to get a kind of an understanding of. If everyone was on the same page in terms of what the choices were. I believe they were. I mean, I, I, I, I believe they were. Mhm. OK. Thank you. Aaron. Um, I actually will mimic some of the comments of several of my select board members, um, the

first thing that came to mind to me when taking a look at Iron Rail was the question of exactly what the master plan for just iron rail is going to be, so is it really economical to be putting That type of uh support into the building.

I’m not 100% sure. Um, the other thing that comes back to you is is that the Climate Action Committee is truly helping affect the 1100 houses that we have, the amount of people that support Iron Rail are the amount of people that attend Iron Rail’s less than 100 houses. And so to me it it

makes perfect sense to be able to, to go with the clean energy plan. Um, also knowing that Massachusetts in general is pushing For large amounts of, of support and windows and and clean air process. I can’t imagine that there would be another ability for them to be able to find another option to.

To work to get the windows. I am in full support of the Clean Energy plan. Gary, Well, I also looked at the entire meeting of the climate action Committee and uh it came out, uh. Little different viewpoint on that as to uh at the end they uh didn’t vote to put forward this recommendation that we consider

this, but I think uh Talking to staff and the fact that For several years here, you know, there has not been the opportunity to replace the windows with outside grant money and certainly there is a I think Peter mentioned that there is much larger opportunities to get the sustainability plan going with other grant money, given that

this actually this conservation block grant is only a sliver. Of what the committee is tasked with the the climate and ashen. Charge was Broscope and I think as um One of the members said that, you know, We need to have a climate action plan or outline first before we get into these individual areas,

you know, certainly the, uh, arrogate electrical. Consortium, and now this looking at just energy, it’s just slices, but as a slug board, I’d like to see the full climate action plan and the focus on that first rather than just taking the slivers here, so I think uh it’s gonna be a good payback,

uh, you know, whatever happens, the, uh, The iron rail building is gonna be on our books for, you know, Foreseeable future 2 or 3 years, and certainly we need to address the uh issues on those windows now and here’s one time chance to get it done with the grant money, so that’s the way I go. Any further

discussion? I have 11. Sorry, sorry, go ahead. I, I’m honestly torn on this. And I guess I’m still not clear what, what is, if there were more time, I would. I like to have heard from staff input, Vicky, Mike, and Kate Mallory to get their sense also, but what does this grant get us in terms of

windows? Is it a few windows? Is it all the windows? 1616 out of 40 windows. 16 out of 40. Yeah. 16. That’s if you use the entire budget ceiling of the grant. Application is that correct? Yeah. All right, that’s helpful. And It seems to me, I’m torn on it too. I mean,

these are both very worthy grants, and I think everyone, everyone’s motivations are absolutely. Wonderful in all directions and both things are needed, um, but it strikes me that the. Replacement of windows and iron rail. is something that would fit pretty neatly in. A um grant application to the CPC under the historic preservation.

Umbrella. I think that that would win support. At the CPC and I would be ineligible. Project, I believe. So just throwing that out there. thoughts on that one? No, I mean, I do, I do believe it to be an eligible use for sure. Of CPC funds. Mm. be a fan.

But would that mean if we would take money away from other things? Yeah, there’s only one pot of money and, you know, at the end of the day, the decision has to be made whether to spend it on this or not, or, you know, an alternative and.

So I, I still think we should stick with the iron. Oh, Gary. Yeah, so, um, the energy efficiency and conservation block grant, do we have details as to What portion of a climate action plan that would actually address and is there any flexibility or is this gonna be focused on just energy

efficiency and conservation, which we already know the town has pretty much uh run the course on those two areas. As far as municipal buildings and such. I must supposed to answer that. Are you asking me? No, I think that, I think that’s the question to the, to the board that, uh, you know, the, uh,

not particularly energy conservation. Uh, energy conservation, but it’s more the plan is really to determine of the level of um fossil fuel. Energy, the town, residential and and municipal is using now how much they’re feeding back through solar or any other green way and then come to try to figure out how we get to

that. Net zero place. That’s, that’s the energy that’s the energy piece, which is also yeah but have we confirmed that this grant Covers that sort of effort or whether it’s focused just on conservation. Programs. Uh, According to Vicky, the grant, the application for the grant is for, well, there’s a number of things, but ours is a

clean uh community clean energy, um, I can’t find it right now. I’m in the dark. Yeah, um, The community, community-based clean energy plan. So it would cover. That exact thing. It would cover a different thing. Hamilton is Hamilton is going to apply for $50,000 to do a greenhouse gas emissions plan.

Um So I think you can craft it anyway, any which way you’re particularly interested in. I believe there’s is municipal only and I’m maybe speaking out of turn, but that’s what I understood. And when I would, it would lean towards both municipal and residential. You know, it’s an outreach, it’s a

maybe it’s a website, maybe it’s a, it’s a whole. Uh Metric plan and outreach and education. It’s what we would ask the grant for. And it would need a consultant that we’d have to find a consultant who was it, would agree that we can craft a plan that would do all that.

And not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but you also have to figure out which of the applications is gonna get approved. You know, I don’t know what are they gonna approve? Windows? Are they gonna approve a climate action. I mean, I don’t know. Any comment on the windows? Steve

No, I mean, we, we did apply for right the same energy. Clean energy plan a year and a half ago and did not get it. I don’t know if that’s an indication. For the windows? No, for the, uh, my understand is we we applied for the grant.

For this clean energy plan about a year and a half ago. Through MVP. Yeah. Different grant mechanism, I believe. Yeah, that was through, um. What was it? Uh, mutual vulnerability preparedness. I don’t, I don’t know enough about it, so. So see value in both, I mean, I, you know. Uh But I’m not making the choice.

I’m prepared to make a motion, Mr. Chair, if you’re entertain one. OK. I move that we, um, continue with the application. For the replacement of windows at Iron rail. 3 seconds. Gary seconds. Discussion I think we just got a lot. Um, OK, so. Talk about Peter says yes.

Karen says no. Gary S Then yes I guess, yes. OK, so by a vote of 4 to 1, um, Iron rail to OK. OK, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, so old business. Continued discussion of FY 25 goals and objectives. Do we have anything that the Look out.

Yeah, we’re pulling up the worksheet right now. OK. Is that OK? Yeah. It’s huge. Can you just zoom out. A little toggle on the bottom, Joe. I believe we are. Um, Scroll down These are all the ones we’ve gone through, and I added the. Additional information. And we’re currently on. I, I

believe. We keep scrolling down, Joe. We did technology, so we’re on boards and committees. So these are These are existing. These are existing goals that were discussed last year that are similar to other ones need, you know, a little bit of that the select board decided not to pick up and pursue for FY 24,

so, you know, we’ll have a little discussion on to, you know, kind of redefine. What the board was thinking. And, you know, whether they wanna keep it around for further finalization or or drop it off. Gary. So I think uh I get tasked last year on number one, and so here’s my status report.

I’ve uh pretty much gone through all the files down in the basement, and I’d like to thank uh Chris Alexander and the town clerk’s office. So we’ve uh done keyword searches on uh all the select board minutes going back, I think about 3 decades. And I think we’re at a point that uh

somemit charges are missing in action. Uh, most of them exist either in the bylaws or we have more recent copies of them, but uh I think we’re faced with the situation. I found in one select board minutes where it just said uh here’s the new committee and we assigned this select board member to sit down

with them and tell them what we want. That was the that was the amount of the charge. So I would say, um, you know, By next month, I can provide you with the uh full uh spreadsheet of what we have and what we don’t have and giving at what

we have that other than the most recent ones like the Veterans Committee, they all need to be updated anyhow, so. That’s the status report and then we decide uh how we go forward with the replacing the missing or updating charges. Steve, can I ask a question? Do we have any uh Expected

timeline when we’re going to get the uh The um town meeting. Minutes, the articles that need to go through the Attorney General back to us. Uh, no, I, I, I don’t have a timeline on that. All right. So, um, Steve, I was with Diane. At the function on Last Wednesday, Um, at Kirsten’s house And Diane

Diane told me that she was gonna do the town meeting minutes. Yeah, she did indicate that if Kristen couldn’t get them done, that she would. Should take them over, so, um, but yeah, it’s so it’s really just 22 up in the air to give, to give a hard timeline.

I’m not sure when they’re gonna be completed. OK. Any other comments on any of this uh boards and committees? We’re um Complete sorry. I see somebody’s hand up. Just Gary again if uh on number 2, the records review. Perhaps if I could have one minute to give a little history there. Go ahead.

Yeah, so, uh, back with Jamie Colon’s time, we did do the uh I think Steve was there, a partial clean out of the basement. For records And we took out 80 box loads of uh Surplus documents, but there remains, especially in the uh police cage, the fire cage, a very large effort to sort

through what is there, what needs to be uh retained, uh. Most Everything I think in the town clerk’s office is now digitized other than for the some of the large uh. All the documents in this safe but minutes we have a scanned. And uh a lot of the other stuff is done, but if we’re gonna do

this, It’s uh It’s well beyond. Um, The current staff’s capabilities timewise, and probably well beyond. The availability of using tax write-off volunteers to get the portions of this done, and certainly, um, particularly, I believe the police department records do need to have uh Steve, you can back me up.

There has to be a trusted agent that goes through those records as their sensitive materials. Yeah, that’s my understanding as well. What’s to find a trusted agent. It’s just like a records manager, generally it’s the clerk that will go through and Verify what what it is and

Whether it can be disposed of all that. As some of the police records, you know, involve investigation materials that may or may not have gone the full length to action or whatever. So the privacy concerns on that as well. So it just has to be, you know, I believe what someone that’s

sworn into, you know. Not reveal anything that’s sensitive. Gary, how far back are you going? And how far back should we go? Well, the state archives requires that you Maintain certain reckons in perpetuity, such as, you know, cemetery records, uh, Kirsten is much better, uh, path just

be on the archives, but you know, uh,,, 20 years for uh employee pay records in case there’s questions, uh, certainly the select board minutes are perpetual as well, and they are currently um I think have 8 file drawers. In the town clerk’s office, and there’s a couple more plus

tapes, videos, VCR and hard drives in the basement. And certainly if we want our committees to work effectively, you know, we ought to have some sort of organization that says here, new chairman, here’s your file drawer, and here’s the whole history of You know, the uh Of the cemetery commission,

or here’s the whole cemetery of wish. And that is not, does not exist currently. Things are spread out and Not recorded. Not to mention that we also have as a result of the rebuilding of the town hall many years ago, that we have probably uh 60 linear feet of shelf space of records still

sitting at the library in there uh climate control area. That have not been inventoried. So this is a big job. So I’m not sure where that. Um, I mean, hearing. From you Gary at how daunting. A series of tasks remain on this. Um, Makes me think that it’s probably. It’s not a practical priority, um.

Over the next year or two because we don’t have the resources to do it, but. Sounds like it may be if it’s some kind of a kind of medium term priority, it probably should be analyzed with an eye towards. Again, you know, I hate, I hate to keep going back to CPA, but

to the extent these are historic records, there may be, maybe there’s some grant money or some appropriation that could be made to hire. Um, the appropriate team to. To tackle, you know, one or more of those locations. And I believe there has been CPC money in the past to do the uh I think they use

that for um the town reports. The whole history of those And I believe they just gave money to the winning museum to do some records, um, maintenance. Mhm. So maybe uh just something that we need to continue to think about and a budget. You know, maybe after next year or

two of uh High demand items that we can. You know, just keep this on the back burner and know it’s a uh something that needs to be done, but uh we’ll continue just to. See what we can get done with the volunteers in certain areas.

Gary, would it make sense to just Um, a list of like We need to do these files first, then these files, then these files. And, and then what approximately size it. Yeah, I think the uh the town clerk as the records officer can probably do that, give us the priorities. And we can, you

know, just go down with the ruler and measure linear feet of uh shelf space currently being used. Or numbers of boxes. OK. Right. Any more uh discussion on this topic? Right. Um, so what’s Where are we in terms of Um, any, are there any other matters that may have not been anticipated by the chair,

discussion only. All right. Gary? Yeah, it’s I see me talking a lot tonight, but uh I was wondering if Steve, you know, we had that huge omnibus legislative package go through at the end of the The session last week, and I know uh Margaret’s been building some

stuff on ADUs, but uh can we get uh any information back to the slack board on what in that uh Big uh bill actually is gonna affect the town. For a Yeah, so we just got, yeah, we got obviously the ADUs, but then AP law just gave us a um

Kind of a, a briefing on that today. And we asked uh. Robin and Lauren are putting together some input and implications directly for when I’m like as far as like what we’re gonna do for our zoning and and rewriting so that that’s definitely to come. There was a lot of, a lot in there, a lot

in the. So don’t know Land use and development space. Almost all of it uniformly geared towards making. And easier to develop housing. There was a Elimination of the doctrine of. Merger, which is a zoning concept that sometimes prohibits. Buildable lots, um, and it wasn’t a complete. Um, Elimination of that, but uh, but uh. Partial elimination, so

there’s definitely a lot in there I’d be definitely interested in reading AP Law’s uh summary on it. All right, um. So we move the minutes? Um, I Went through 123. For 56 sets of minutes. Um, and I I didn’t see any Major issues. It’s really great to have Catherine back. It sure is. She, she’s

not on tonight’s meeting, is that right? I didn’t see her on the Zoom, which means she’d probably be taking minutes off of HW cam, or is she here? Yeah, we, we record it. I didn’t see her here tonight, but we, uh, we record them and we’ll send her the the video. Excuse me.

All right, well without further discussion, I’m gonna make a motion. That we accept the Draft minutes of um executive session April 23rd, 2024. May 7th, 2024. May 18th, 2024. Um, OS June. 04 June 4th. 2024, June 10th, 2024 and 618, 2024. Just one minor correction, Peter, I think you said for the

3rd executive session, minutes, May 18th and I believe it’s June 18th. June June 18th, 2024. Second, as amended. All right. Um, we’ll vote. start. Yeah, go ahead. Peter, yes. Karen, yes. Gerry, yes. OK, we’re going to um I moved we adjourn this meeting. Of August 13th. At 8:06 p.m. to reconvene on

August 27th at 6:30. That’s my motion 2. All right, so, uh, I’m not gonna ask if there’s gonna be any discussion. But, um, Peter’s votes, yes. Deirdre. S. Then yes Karen yes. And uh some of us have a 9 o’clock tomorrow, on Thursday, right? with the Manchester. Yeah. Yep, at Manchester Memorial. Let me

know if you. Need an address or anything. telling him that. I’m just telling you. Um, You, if you have the chance. You want to see the school. It’s ridiculous. I’ve had the luxury of being a parent that has to go in and out of color. So I’m talking, I’m talking about Manchester. Manchester Memorial

Elementary School is it it’ll it’ll just blow you away. And that’s, that’s exactly what um Eric’s trying to build, um. Here. So Anyway, All right, folks, take care. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Thanks Joe and Steve. Thank you. All right,