00:00:00,500	S1:
Welcome everyone. If you don't mind making your way to your seats, you're much appreciated. Um, we just have a short presentation for you. Um, it includes some interaction. Um, so we're hoping you'll join in on that. Um, and we do have some folks that are joining virtually. Um, so we'll be doing our best to bridge between those two worlds. So with that, um, my name is Zoe Mueller. Um, I'm the project manager for this effort. This one on the town. Um, and I'm a planner by training. Um, grew up in the area, and I'm excited to work with you all and understand from you the aspects of your town center that you feel are most important, that we want to make sure are reflected in the planning work and in the zoning going forward. So with that, um, it's not just me. We have a bigger team here. Um, so, Matthew. Um, just behind me. Um, Sharon, Tomaso, uh, Teddy, Carlos and Mark, they're all helping kind of behind the scenes in different ways. So we have a really broad range of expertise to kind of make sure that we're getting you what you need.

00:01:08,170	S1:
What we're hoping to do today is to give you a foundational understanding of this process and plan the goals that we have, sort of over the course of this process. And to give you kind of a foundation in what form based code is what it means, what it can offer you and your town center. And then we really want to reflect to you, um, you know, what we have observed. And from our analysis, you know, some of the patterns that are defining sort of different parts of your town center currently and the residential neighborhoods surrounding it. And we want to get your feedback on that. We want to understand, are we getting it right, or are we missing things so that we can use that to build towards the next step, which will be starting to make recommendations? So nothing you hear tonight will be a recommendation. This is all just our observations and we're looking to make sure that we are getting it right before we go to the next step. Um, so some of the things that are involved are validating the boundaries that we're talking about of like different, where the pattern shifts between, you know, maybe a smaller scale to a larger scale, a commercial pattern to a residential pattern, just understanding where those boundaries are and then understanding within those patterns of development what you like and what you maybe don't like and want to see change over time. Um, so just to kind of give you a sense of the format, we're going to be talking with you a little bit in this setting. Um, with some live polling that will go through in just a moment, and then we're going to break about halfway through and we're going to close out the virtual session, and instead we're going to have those of you who are in person join us in the rear of the room. We have a series of boards that will enable us to have more informal conversations and answer questions and talk through things with you in a in a more flexible way. So if you're feeling antsy by the end of the presentation, don't worry. But we get an opportunity to have that that kind of interaction. And for those of you that are joining virtually, please feel free to drop the questions that you may have for us in the Q&A. We'll do our best to respond to simple ones as we go. And then we will. Anything that's more complex will work to sort of put that. Those responses on the website so that you can refer to them later. Okay. So with that, I'm going to ask you all to either use your cameras to scan the QR code or to go to Slido and enter into these digits that you see here. This will enable you all to participate in live polling that we can then all look at together on the screen during the meeting. We found this is a really helpful way for people to understand kind of opinions in the room. If you don't have a phone with you that can do this. This is not the only way to provide an input. We'll have conversations as the second part of the meeting. So we'll be happy to have those follow up conversations with you to make sure that we're capturing all of your thoughts on this.

00:04:07,599	S2:
And your.

00:04:08,800	S1:
Internet access. Okay. This is a good point. Um. One moment. I mean, come on. Do we have a.

00:04:17,370	S2:
Yes? Yeah. So I was going to. One of my guests is the Wi-Fi, and the password is school days. There's an uppercase S in school and uppercase D and days. So school days or Amazon would have guessed.

00:04:33,930	S3:
Okay. Six days.

00:04:36,399	S1:
Everybody got that. So you're not. So let's go to.

00:04:42,069	S2:
This one.

00:04:42,500	S1:
So I'm going to come and take a step by step. So everybody who's looking to connect to Wi-Fi go ahead and look up the different network options that you have. And look for Hamilton. One of my guest h.w.

Guest. 00:04:58,870	S1:
And he's feeling good about that stuff. Okay. Um, next up is. Once you're there. The password for that network is school days, capital s, capital D.

00:05:16,730	S1:
And maybe if you want to just give me a thumbs up. If you're if you've got it connected.

00:05:25,199	S3:
The same questions that you ask for people that don't have to.

00:05:30,170	S3:
Get an answer as well.

00:05:31,170	S1:
The the input the. So all of the questions that we're asking you here, um, we do also have a survey out that has a huge amount of overlap with the questions we're asking here tonight. So we encourage you all to take that survey as well. Um, and to share that with people who maybe did not come tonight. Um, and like I mentioned, in addition to that, we'll will have some time. Um, you know, the second half of the meeting will be conversational, so please do approach us if there's something you feel like you haven't come across in this first part.

00:06:02,870	S1:
I'll see a couple of thumbs ups.

00:06:08,399	S3:
Okay.

00:06:10,269	S1:
All right. Anybody who is not able to connect, please come find me after. And I'll make sure that we're capturing anything that we missed in this first part. I know this is kind of cumbersome, but it's kind of put me on a large group. Like this is one of the best ways that we can get a quick pulse, and people seem to really see each other's opinions, um, in the time that we have. All right.

00:06:40,629	S1:
Let me give a few more moments here.

00:06:52,230	S3:
That's great.

00:06:56,430	S1:
But I have an email. I don't think you should.

00:07:02,029	S3:
Use.

00:07:05,529	S3:
The word that.

00:07:10,529	S3:
I mentioned.

00:07:11,569	S1:
I'm going to jump to the next one. So this is just going to give everybody a feel for how this works.

00:07:23,430	S3:
The first.

00:07:28,300	S1:
Time I just had to explain to me that the the prompt about your email is not related to Slido. It's not related to us taking your email. It's about the school internet access. So it's a prompt to make sure that you're getting into the school internet.

00:07:45,769	S1:
So those of you who are in, um, you should see, uh, this on your phone. Um, and what we're wondering here is what your relationship is. Hamilton is kind of who's in the room today. Um, so Hamilton resident, Hamilton business owner. Um, having Hamilton property owner or landlord worker or other community members. So if you're from Wyndham, feel free to just check out a community member. You're welcome here. We just want to understand kind of who's who's in the room. Um, and you can check all that apply if more than one of these is true for you.

00:08:22,170	S1:
It looks like we've got 36, 37 people that have submitted. We're getting up there. Can I give a few more moments for folks to respond and then I'll reflect it back to you. Appreciate you being with us on this. I know it can be a little cumbersome, but We found it very helpful.

00:08:48,299	S3:
To get going.

00:08:57,399	S3:
All right.

00:08:57,769	S1:
I'm seeing a slowing of the responses. So I'm going to go ahead and close it out and we'll see. Um, you know who we have in the room. Um, and this will keep updating as people submit. It looks like this isn't surprising. We have mostly Hamilton residents. 98% of people who are here who responded are Hamilton residents. We have a lot of people who are property owners and or landlords and then to a lesser degree, workers, business owners and other community members. So I appreciate you all bearing with us on that. Hopefully now you kind of have a feel for it. We'll come back to this for when we get into the analysis of the patterns that we've observed in your community so far. So with that, I'm going to pass it over to Matthew to walk you through some of the, you know, key pieces that we feel like are important for you to understand before we get into the discussion later on.

00:09:55,299	S2:
Thank you. All right. And just a quick thank you for all of you for coming out tonight on a nice summer evening when you could be doing something like sitting in the back porch. We really, really appreciate your input and it will make this effort in the results that much better. Um, so we've had some introductions. We'll talk a little bit about, uh, sort of orienting the plan and working on, um, and then uh, a little bit more detail about the various zoning approaches that we're considering and how they might fit relative to your goals. And then, um, we will be doing a sort of a trial run. You guys have seen some of the images in the back, but we'll be asking your specific get feedback about how we're observing the patterns that we're seeing in various different parts of your downtown.

00:10:49,000	S2:
Um, this little effort, I think, has been emerging over the last couple of years. The planning board, um, has, uh, for a little while, had a goal to develop a form based code for the downtown, uh, to more accurately, accurately reflect the built environment there. Uh, and for other reasons as well, which is, um, uh, to develop a little additional economic vibrancy to encourage more residents, more businesses that brings not just vibrancy, but in, in, in some cases, the diversification of the tax base, um, and consequently sort of economic support for the town more generally. And then another important piece that was also identified in your housing production plan, which was, I think, a general agreement that there was a desire to find ways to create more diverse forms of housing, more affordable housing and smaller types of housing, either for people who are aging and want to stay in the town, or younger people who wanted to live here and be able to afford it. So that was one of the other objectives. Um, a form based code, as we'll talk about, is is a very good tool to address a kind of, uh, rich and existing and sort of complex settled pattern, like like your downtown.

00:12:17,269	S3:
So, yeah, definitely want to do that.

00:12:21,629	S2:
I think we'll wait till the end. That's okay. Um, we will have a lot of time back there to have good, long conversations. Um, I think we want to keep the flow here because that's our goal here.

00:12:37,370	S3:
Your home here in Frankfurt.

00:12:42,070	S2:
Can you hear me?

00:12:43,529	S3:
Yes. Is it back here? Like one on.

00:12:47,100	S2:
One. It'll be one on one. We'll all be back there.

00:12:51,230	S3:
Is that one of the same answers?

00:12:57,100	S2:
Well, let's proceed through this. And if people want to gather together in the back. And I think that we can we can make that happen. Um. There are. It should be. You know, as many of you know, there are some issues, some complicated issues that are related to the settlement. Right? Um, you know that there are plans or not plans for the school site that may or may not bear on what's happening generally in the town. That's an important issue. Um, and then as many of you know, there is this state requirement, um, called meta to use A3A, and it's a law that requires communities like Hamilton that are served by public transportation to create a zoning district that allows a certain amount of multifamily units. Um, we are going to try to, uh, for as long as we can keep some of these issues a little bit separate so that we can start this process by focusing on the thing around which there seems to be some interest and consensus, which is to develop a form based code and a strategy specifically for the downtown, that strategy. Uh, is it possible that that could assist in compliance with three a uh, it's too early to tell whether that will actually work. Um, I can tell you that the downtown itself, just standing by itself, probably will not suffice to satisfy the requirements of three eight, but I think we've agreed on a path here to prioritize the form based code. Prioritize our goals here for downtown, and then explore how it might relate to 3D. You can use.

00:14:48,870	S3:
The.

00:14:49,000	S2:
Word form based code.

00:14:50,470	S3:
So.

00:14:51,600	S2:
I will I will explain what form based code is. Thank you.

00:14:58,529	S2:
Um, our study area is approximately the area which is about a half mile radius around the commuter rail station. Um, it's not a super hard line, but, um, you know, we want to start somewhere. It's it's, uh, kind of a measure of an approximate ten minute walk. Um, it's a kind of useful measure for, um, you know, environments that are walkable. Um, again, it's not a hard for us sort of, um, Boundary, and we will probably be refining the boundary to something much smaller than it is to fit within what we think is an appropriate area to be focusing on. Um, and I will say that if the town puts forward a zoning code that also can comply with three a, um, the town will be considering sites outside of the the town center to achieve that. The town center is probably not big enough to sort of bear all the the burden of that legislation and the amount of units. Um, there are two sites that are under consideration and have not been looked at in great detail, but one is the is the Gordon Commonwealth Theological Seminary campus, which already has a number of apartments there, which could be sort of counted. Um, the other is the town owned land on Tobacco Road, which was identified in the housing production plant as a possible place for the future development of housing. So those are a couple of the the remote places that might be considered for a three day compliance. Tonight we will be focusing on the downtown specifically to say that even if you went a half mile, that we would not be.

00:16:54,070	S3:
Inclined to stay in.

00:16:57,299	S2:
The state. Um, the three a law allows some of your district to be beyond a half mile from the commuter station. We limit it to one half mile. We still, with that in mind, is that correct? Um, what I'm saying is that if you try to cram it all within that one half mile requirement, I think it's not a requirement to all be within a one half a mile radius, only 20% of your district needs to be within one half mile. Other portions can be more remote. What I'm saying is that if the town wanted to squeeze it all within the downtown, I think we would find it difficult. Okay.

Sorry. 00:17:45,029	S2:
I'm clarifying as a couple moving along.

00:17:49,029	S3:
Thank you. I won't follow this with you because when we moved it up town meeting to approve the funding of this exercise, I thought that we voted for the form based code development, which I support personally, but it sounds like we're actually also working on trying to emulate DNA, which is a meta level, which is something that the town may or may not want us to do. So why are we spending the money to adapt before the vote?

00:18:23,829	S2:
That is our scope. Um, we're proceeding with these things a little bit in parallel here. Um, I, I I'll answer, like, a couple more questions. I don't want to get completely derailed on this issue, but I sense that it's important to people. There are a lot of there's a lot of information about these questions on the website. So I'll just direct it there. But I will say just in summary that that is the plan is that the town, uh, needs to explore the possibility of at least one of the three a compliant zoning. Um, our parallel and related effort is to look very carefully at form based potential, form based code for the downtown and to see what we want there just in and of itself, and then see how that may or may not contribute to a three acre site.

00:19:19,970	S3:
I agree that it took me two Continues to show at least one besides that. That isn't what show.

00:19:29,369	S2:
It is the town's intention to explore at least one possibility for compliant with the three a law.

00:19:38,130	S3:
In the town's intention, meaning good intentions.

00:19:42,029	S2:
I'm not going to say whether it's a good intention or not.

00:19:46,730	S3:
I just wanted to ask.

00:19:50,829	S3:
You about the town.

00:19:53,470	S2:
Uh, there are.

00:19:56,329	S3:
Some good questions, please. I think we have this presentation, and I'd love to hear it. And then I think the next part is that I'll just be like, I think so I want to ask the questions. So I think that, yeah.

00:20:18,769	S2:
I wanted to answer a few questions, just because it was clear that it was a concern and a little bit of a stumbling block. But I would like to proceed. Tonight's purpose of tonight's meeting is to focus on the potential for a form based code from downtown, and start there with something that we hope people can get behind. And again, it's relationship to a potentially through a compliant, broader zoning that will be determined in the future.

00:20:52,200	S3:
Can you see a little about that?

00:20:55,569	S2:
Just giving. We needed to acknowledge that it was it was part of what we're doing. Um, we have this is this is our schedule here. We have um, we're right here at number one Public visioning Workshop. Um, we will be meeting again, I hope, with the general public for a code development workshop. So we will be taking some of the feedback that we received tonight and developing ideas that were run by you again, about what sorts of things you would like to see in the code. And then subsequent to that, you will be working on sort of refining that and iterations of that I think will be available as we move along for public comment. Um, okay. Uh, let me start with where we are with the current zoning in the town center. Um, the current zoning in the town center is quite simple. There's literally only a pretty much two districts. You have the the business district, which is characterized by this purple color, and then the one, a residential district, which doesn't seem to distinguish between higher density residential and lower density residential. Um, and it's quite restrictive. And I think the important thing to look at is that in the residential district, you can't do anything until you have a 20,000 square foot lot. And I think as a result of this, a lot of projects, you know, small additions and things like that have to come in for special permits or variances or other sorts of special approvals. Um, and in fact, every parcel that you see here in red is a kind of what we call, um, already non conforming to the current zoning. So I think regardless of what the future zoning looks like, I think there's a very good argument to be made that a form based code can more accurately and usefully reflect what's there and reflect maybe a finer grained understanding of what the town would like to see. Um, in its in its town center.

00:23:11,500	S2:
Um, okay. So gentleman asked about what a form based code is. Um. A form based code is a type of zoning code that focuses primarily, as its name suggests, on the form of buildings. Their relationship to the street, their relationship to other buildings, and relies a little bit less on abstract numeric numerical metrics such as floor area ratio or lot coverage or things like that. Um, it is a very useful tool, particularly in a traditional village setting where you want to be more prescriptive about the shaping of buildings to ensure that their character and scale, and their relationship to the street and to their neighbours is more consistent. Um, and so that's why it's been sort of recommended, um, for, for Hamilton. I think the best way for me to sort of show you a little bit how it works is to show you, uh, a form based code example, the one that we developed for for Littleton, Massachusetts, which is it's not um, Littleton is not Hamilton, but I think it's a useful example to show how the town. Identified, um, you know, what sorts of forms they, they thought were characteristic and how they wanted to control them in that case. Um, it's a fairly rural environment. Um, there is a fondness for this, uh, what we call the aggregated barn house typology, where different volumes are sort of, um, in a nice aesthetic fashion or are sort of assembled together. Um, this was a kind of building typology and approach to building that they felt, uh, was reflective of the character of their town and their sort of agrarian roots. And so the form based code sort of builds on that logic, which is it allows for a certain size of what we call a primary massing. And then it identifies ways in which those sorts of building elements can be combined. And so even when you get to a sort of a larger building, um, the code is requiring you to break it down into elements of a certain scale that are really more reflective of, of the environment. And it's, it's really like a kind of a rule set, right. So you start with the main volume, and then there's just a series of elements that get identified and can be added. Um, it's it's a particularly strong way of preventing just one enormous box from, from taking place and, and forcing development to adopt a more finer grained sort of, um, uh, touch. You will.

00:26:00,200	S3:
Fall in.

00:26:01,170	S2:
Like, how are those.

00:26:02,700	S3:
Variables determine.

00:26:05,099	S2:
And then how do the developers.

00:26:07,430	S3:
Like.

00:26:08,069	S2:
How does that work? How do they.

00:26:09,269	S3:
Approach the.

00:26:09,799	S2:
Problem? They have a site that they want to develop. If I understand what their limitations are, how form based.

00:26:15,599	S3:
Code.

00:26:16,369	S2:
Applies limitations.

00:26:17,500	S3:
On.

00:26:17,569	S2:
Them. So that's a good question there. There are there are many limitations that are similar to a conventional code. So yes, we will have setbacks. Oftentimes you will have a maximum and a minimum setback. Right. Um, to prevent, for instance, a building from arbitrarily being all the way to the back of its lot. Right. To ensure that it might align with its neighbors. Um, you have height limits, the same as you do. You might need more prescriptive, though, about how that height is achieved. The shape of the roof, um, how dormers are arranged. Um, the other thing, that form based code is very strong and that is, um, how things are arranged in the site. So, uh, typically a form based code will prohibit people from parking in their front yard, right? Um, so many of those parameters are, um, are still in place. It's just that the rule set and the sort of the form based code part of it is a little bit more prescriptive about how the volumes are shaped. There are some parameters that are written down that population developers need to adhere to or anything as well. Completely, completely. And here's an example. Um, this hasn't been built yet, but this is a proposal that was is conforming to the Littleton form based code that we developed. And you'll see that it's it's mostly a commercial shopping center. But the buildings are, are are not the big fat block that's in the back of the site with the parking in front. But it's it's arranged towards the front of the street. Um, there's an emphasis, as you can see, on promoting a kind of walkable and pleasant sidewalk. The developer was, in a sense, took this ruleset and it and it created something that felt a little bit more village like than what they might do if they were just simply allowed to build a shopping center. Um, there's a big emphasis. You'll see. For instance, the parking is at the rear. There are provisions for, um, being able to walk through the site again. Um, sorry. Um, promoting those aspects that feel more like a village and less like a shopping center.

00:28:44,769	S3:
I guess I'm just wondering if this presentation is going well.

00:28:51,170	S2:
Yes. Yes, I think so. Um, does anyone have any questions of form based code before I.

Yes. 00:28:59,029	S3:
I'm sure you understand that. How come you don't have to And I would love to talk to some people about that. So this is the separation from God. And the reason I don't show up is not because I don't want the same problems that exist. I'm curious to know how that I don't try to jump ahead and assume that this is something that.

00:29:36,730	S2:
So again, there are more answers to this than restate the question. Okay. So is there a question about the relationship between, uh, septic requirements, title five and potential conflicts between those limitations and what zoning might allow? So those requirements don't go away. Um. it's possible that zoning may allow something that is not possible for those reasons. And, uh, the two are, in a sense, separate zoning is a little bit vision, the ideal picture. Um, but any any proposed project would have to go through all those requirements, um, above a certain size. They need to meet the requirements of site plan review, and they need to meet, um, title II requirements. Um, there may be cases where on a particular site because it's too small, they can't. Um, but it's.

00:30:36,130	S3:
Given that all this zoning is somewhat irrelevant somehow because it's all downtown. Every person is on the.

00:30:53,329	S3:
Other side.

So. 00:30:58,569	S2:
I think there's consensus that as a first step, the town wants to see better zoning in the district. And right now the zoning doesn't really allow practically anything. And I think what a form based code can do is provide a more granular and fine grained approach that allows people to develop incrementally, to develop things that are small, to do additions that are sensitive to their neighbors, and to work out the sceptics and those other things in parallel. But I disagree that it will be completely impossible everywhere. I think you need to set a vision of what you want through the zoning. And yes, there will be challenges, but you may have, you know, you may have septic someday, you may have sewer or you may have, you know, these things can change.

00:31:50,269	S3:
You.

00:31:52,430	S3:
Know exercises.

You. 00:31:56,569	S2:
Know it's not. It's not part of this plan.

00:32:00,769	S3:
What are you going to show us? Something inside of that. It is the the conversation on behalf

00:32:09,670	S3:
of the project. Everything is on business as well. So this is what you're looking at. But what are we looking at and what do we do with this? We have five residential properties inside of that. How much is it? That's the second one.

00:32:29,700	S2:
So we are at the extremely beginning of this process. We have not developed those rules. We are we are right now, with your help and insight, we are, um, trying to establish what the patterns are of the downtown. What are the things that we want to continue to preserve, where we may want to change and grow at a much finer grain.

Right. 00:32:54,829	S3:
I appreciate that you can go to work for me to get.

00:33:07,200	S3:
Out.

00:33:12,799	S3:
There. And you know, once we if we do in fact go down this road 2.38 we see a lot of demand resulting in the safe passage. That's the question is whether that's great. All right. So you want to play out and talk to us about what this is going to look like, what this would look like. Is there something that you want to show us or is this this?

00:33:37,599	S2:
This is not I am not saying that this is what Hamilton should look like. And this is an example of how four base codes can incentivize or create control certain outcomes for people. People for. for how it worked closely to control development in forms that are, let's say, acceptable to the to the town clerk.

Yes. 00:34:06,329	S3:
But again, I wanted to ask you show us what is taking us right now.

00:34:16,800	S2:
You know, this is this is I would like to continue this effort. We are here. We are not here to talk just about three a our our primary mission. First, in this effort, we've been through a lot of conversations around this is to actually begin to look at what the form based zoning can do for for downtown Hamilton. It may it may not fit into a three day compliance scenario, but we need to start somewhere. From what I understand, there is consensus around crafting a better zoning code for downtown. Let's start there. We are not into this per acre yet. We're not into any of those parameters yet.

00:35:02,300	S3:
Yes. Can I ask the same question? Make the same recommendation. Through that competition, you have to tell us that as a part of it.

00:35:10,369	S2:
I need to acknowledge that it's out there. It would be. You know, I need to acknowledge that it's in the room, so to speak.

00:35:16,800	S3:
Do you think for us and residents that here.

00:35:19,969	S2:
You.

00:35:20,199	S3:
Have to tell us that part of your scope is to study creative? We're not going to talk about it.

00:35:28,369	S2:
Not tonight.

00:35:30,570	S3:
We want the presentation. And that's

00:35:35,170	S3:
the point that we take residential development. We also have to follow the example.

00:35:41,570	S2:
All right.

Correct. 00:35:43,570	S3:
Okay. This is a residential development.

00:35:50,570	S2:
Form based code would regulate the volumes. The mass of things that make up is the of a building for any type of things.

00:36:01,170	S3:
Examples of things are. What's that?

00:36:05,769	S2:
I don't have an example because that's not. That was not the focus of our show.

00:36:14,099	S3:
What are.

00:36:20,530	S3:
You talking about? How can you say everything that happens when you don't give a brand out there or something? You have to follow everything.

00:36:40,730	S2:
Yeah. So the question is about how this vision might say that's embodied in form based code. It's implemented and what happens to properties that were being developed under the different code. There are different ways to implement the new code. One is as an overlay. So the form based code would come in and you could choose which code you want. The other is to replace the existing code. Um, and um there is it's too early to tell which is going to work better, but a lot of properties are already again. 70% of the properties in that area are already able to call, um, existing non-conforming.

00:37:27,000	S3:
Residential properties.

00:37:28,869	S2:
If they're mostly residential.

00:37:32,369	S3:
You have.

00:37:35,030	S3:
To remain on.

00:37:37,369	S2:
The older property.

00:37:38,829	S3:
Do not need to modify properties.

00:37:41,630	S4:
No no no no no no no no.

00:37:43,829	S2:
There's no.

00:37:47,099	S2:
Yes. So? So now, if there's a new code, it's not like everyone suddenly is forced to go out and change their. It's really not at all. And in fact, a new code might bring a lot of. In fact, most of those properties to a place where they might actually be important.

00:38:05,070	S3:
So yes, I appreciate I acknowledge that they are in the process. My question about the first time is the first step is being significant, but there's a set of rules established in 1887, essentially recognizing the town of $125,000 for the effort. And the housing development expected 2530 goals. And it was an agency alignment. There was a minority of the effort. So I guess I wonder if this is an opportunity to address the original set goals that we established for that This would be helpful for us.

00:38:48,170	S2:
I think.

00:38:48,570	S3:
We're participating in developing.

00:38:51,530	S2:
This question of what the goal is and the vision. I think the goals of the plan are to, um, implement a form based code for the downtown in parallel, exploring through a compliance. But those goals for the downtown. Uh, those have been discussed through, um, you know, the planning board has discussed those things. There was a desire.

00:39:17,300	S3:
To do this.

00:39:18,269	S2:
There was a desire to do that.

00:39:20,469	S3:
We did this as well.

So. 00:39:23,570	S2:
Uh, that's how they've been identified in terms of how those goals and the goals of developing the code, uh, those the vision. Right. What you want to see here downtown. Uh, that's what we determined through this process that is not predetermined.

So. 00:39:45,730	S3:
Just to see how they feel because.

00:39:50,599	S2:
The current business owners, everyone is invited to participate. There are numerous.

00:39:56,670	S3:
I know you can input. You go to our reach. But has anyone done outreach to the current business community in Hamilton to see how they feel about all the things that will happen afterwards? Because I can't imagine that multi-generational businesses like you and all the rest of the railroad and all of downtown that you have the lives of the generations are going to be unhappy. Just wondering when I am talking about this.

00:40:30,570	S2:
I'm not sure they had reached out to us specifically, but there has been there have been open channels for input.

00:40:39,800	S1:
Sorry. Is that to clarify for me? In order for the people who are participating virtually to understand what's happening, we have to restate the question. This is also not an intentional Q&A. We are trying to be responsive to the clear frustration and people wanting to have clear answers to this or adapting to that, but in order to do that, we need to pause. Let us restate the question so everybody can hear it. We're not going to start introducing bringing the microphone out into the crowd, because we really need to get to the point where we're getting input on the actual patterns of your downtown so that we can have something to work with that's not just from our brains. So with that, if you don't mind restating the question, and then we'll keep going.

00:41:24,800	S2:
I bet I haven't been restating this question. The question was, have we reached out to the business owners in downtown? I don't know if we've reached out to them specifically. There are numerous avenues to to to get input polls or respondent's attendance at these meetings. Um, I think, uh, of course it's important to them. Part of part of why we're meeting is to understand what's important to all of you in the various parts of your downtown, and you'll see that we've sort of identified Railroad Avenue as a as a special place that the zone needs and concerns

00:42:02,070	S2:
about.

00:42:05,329	S3:
This is the next phase where we have to go in November, and you don't even have anything for us.

00:42:17,469	S3:
And we're doing the same thing because it also is tied with the public school. It's all in one month.

00:42:25,000	S2:
And while the the question is when M is about to vote on this fall in November, uh, Hamilton is scheduled to vote next spring. The question is why? Why don't we have anything ready? Um, the reason is, is because, uh, the the town realized that this was going to be a difficult process, and they elected to take more time to do a better job, to do a more thorough job of building, um, something that people could understand and contribute to it.

00:42:59,670	S3:
So it was another thing to understand that this is between now and November and the next, and we'll have to vote on it. And so what, 15 units and one acre is.

00:43:16,000	S2:
I'm going to move on, if I may. One more question.

00:43:22,199	S3:
For me, which I'm.

00:43:23,929	S2:
Guessing.

00:43:24,300	S3:
Is.

00:43:24,469	S5:
The context here. The town actually is taking control here. It has deliberately decided not to comply with three a We're supposed to have been born in force by December 31st of this year, the town decided. Town officials decided not to do that because one did not want this caught down our throat and last until people on the day understood what the impact was, and then they could make an informed decision about whether they wanted to accept it or not. It's not a done deal. The voters will decide what they want. So and the same thing is true of if this form based code comes to a conclusion, it has to go to town meeting for approval. So none of this is being forced down anybody's throat. It's a process to explore what are the benefits of this to the town and if and when created first, how it might control that portion of development. But none of this is a given. And it's so I think that's important to context here. You all have control after voting to accept any and all of this. So please keep that in mind. We're just starting the process to explore options for future development. And that's it for decision.

00:44:57,730	S3:
Okay.

00:45:00,869	S2:
I'm going to keep proceeding there. There's you all have many, many, many questions. I just want to say that we will have a lot of time after this to answer this and spend more time and maybe answer your questions more thoughtfully.

00:45:16,030	S3:
Also contact you.

00:45:17,670	S2:
Know.

00:45:18,329	S3:
You.

00:45:19,300	S2:
Know we are not contracted with one of them.

00:45:23,570	S3:
Thank you. And all the time that you have that I would probably leave out this information it? Yes it is. Absolutely. We can all hear you. Yes. I am really sorry. I probably need it after this, because this seems like it's such a useless exercise to me. And I'm giving up a baseball game for my son. But now, here, I think that what a lot of us is frustrating is the fact that there is two things the four ways code and the air. And like somebody just said, I think Eric Mitchell just told us that we're trying to explore, but somebody else rightly said, what are we exploring? We are not deciding whether we want to fly or not. Why don't you let the people decide first and then spend the money where the people want to spend? That's kind of why think of this. I think this is a really critical time.

So. 00:46:21,900	S3:
I would like to do that.

00:46:24,300	S2:
Thank you. I'm going to proceed with the presentation. Um, Okay. Form based code. Uh, these are some, some sort of some of the primary elements that a form based code would control. The maximum footprint, let's say the heights of the building, the form of the roof. Um, and if we look in sort of more, more detail, um, the other thing that the form based code does very well is, um, sort of shaping the building. Again, footprint, height. Uh, how stories are defined, how the building is placed on a site. So this is back to the question of setbacks and separation of other buildings. Um, and then what we call site standards. So, uh, open space, how parking is treated, curb cuts, all those things. Um, this is a lot more detail than a conventional code and a lot more guidance, typically, um, than a conventional code gives you. Um, I have to show this funny comparison here. These are both buildings that house about 3 or 4 units. Um, the one on the on the right is clearly not being controlled by a form based code. You'll see that it has, uh, sort of a blank, boxy front. The parking sort of dominates the front yard. Um, the house on the left was probably not constructed by the form based code, but a form based code could get you much closer to that. That result on the left than it would on the right, again, because it has tools to incentivize and govern the shape of the building, how the massing relates to its front yard and to its context where the front doors are located. Those sorts of things. Um, and in fact, these are other examples in different towns nearby that are housing three or more units. Um, again, I don't think any of these were, were sort of conforming to a farm based code, but they exhibit sort of qualities that a form based code could control in terms of their appearance, in ways that would allow these structures to be much more compatible, let's say, with single family houses or two family houses or whatever the context is.

00:48:45,869	S5:
There's one example of one acre. Let's say you have a 50% share.

00:48:56,130	S2:
Let me keep going, if I may. Um, okay. Uh, what we want to do, uh, I'll back up a little bit. Um, a form based code doesn't come out of thin air, right? It shouldn't. You shouldn't just randomly decide what the setbacks are or how buildings should be shaped or looked. Um, a form based code is best when it is responding to your existing patterns. Um, of of a particular place. Um, a form based code is very good at, um, having subdistricts. Right? Currently in this area only has three, three, two, two zoning districts in it. Um, a farm based code is very good at calibrating subdistricts and making things much more carefully aligned with their context. Um, in order to do that, what we want to engage you on today is whether, um, we are seeing those patterns correctly. We've done our own initial analysis. We've looked very carefully, which you have. We've documented things. Um, and we have, uh, as a first step in this conversation, we have sort of identified areas that we think have their own sort of existing sort of pattern. Um, so, for instance, um, the crossroads in Cumberland Farms is very clearly a, um, commercial area that is dominated by sort of, um, it's it's parking. It has a certain sort of, uh, shopping mall character, if you will. Um, railroad by by contrast, which is shown here in the pink um, is, um, a different kind of commercial center, right? Uh, more more like a sort of a dense, old school village center. Um, the yellow area, which we're calling the sort of downtown residential, is characterized by, uh, smaller residential developments and accessory buildings. The purple area we're calling the real estate industrial. It's characterized by some of those sort of industrial or heavy commercial uses that occur there. Um, and then another one we're calling the um, Bay road commercial, where you see slightly different kind of pattern of older residential buildings that have been sort of converted or adapted to Commercial use. And finally, the Windsor School obviously was, which is what we call a sort of civic center campus, which has its own sort of, um, character. And last but not least, what we're calling the Walnut Road Residential, uh, in this lighter color, which is sort of representative of also single family residential, but slightly bigger lots and bigger front yards. So this is again, this is our first pass and sort of starting the conversation with you about understanding what the patterns are. This is the first step in creating a form based code that is responsive to those patterns, either by preserving them or through identifying where they should evolve or change or growth. Um, and we're going to we're going to enter a little bit of an engagement, some polling here right now. So I'll go into detail on each one of these. And I will ask you all if we have it right or wrong, or if there's other things you want to add to it. Um, railroad Ave is a very precious, beautiful, sort of old, old fashioned village street. Um, what we're seeing are smaller buildings closer. Closer to each other, closer to the sidewalk to create a nice continuous pattern. Um, we see actually quite a variety in the building forms. Um, although when you are on the street, they don't seem as varied as they're appearing here because, um, again, they're sort of holding the sidewalk very carefully for the most part. But we see everything from one story to one and a half to two story buildings. Um, and what we've done also is to assign some, um, we call them like, what we think the range of existing dimensions really are. And so we're seeing parcels that are anywhere from 25 to 75ft. Deaths from 50 to 100. Hundred very shallow setbacks in the front and sometimes very little or no side yards. Um, and so these are sort of typical patterns that we're seeing. And we're trying to sense document dimensionally some of the range that we're seeing here.

00:53:36,670	S2:
Okay. So he's going to lead us through a poll question.

00:53:40,030	S1:
Okay. Okay. So if you don't mind pulling your phone back up, um, if you still have the same window open, it should now show you this question. Um, if it's if you've lost that screen, you can find it again, either by scanning the QR code that you see here or by joining that with that IT number. Um, so I'm going to give you all, um, some time to kind of both understand the question and respond to it. Um, you can see kind of in the right, you already have, you know, 17 people that have submitted. Um, so this is really what we're trying to get at here is we want to understand from your perspective, how are we doing in understanding the pattern of railroad art commercial. Um, have we captured that pattern of development? Well, um, this is kind of a rabbit question, so really making a temperature check. How far off are we going to be? Pretty close. Are we wait for.

00:54:39,500	S1:
A few minutes for folks to go through it. This is kind of a way to signal to us, you know, how much going home work we have to do to get it right, so that we're responding to an accurate understanding of your existing town center and the different subdistricts within it. So none of this, again, none of this is a proposal. We are not at that point. We are just trying to accurately understand and document the current conditions and what's distinctive about them.

00:55:11,800	S1:
We have a pretty good participation, so I'm going to go ahead and advance to the next one. So overall we're doing pretty good. We're in that kind of we're not quite at the, you know, love eyes. But that's okay. We can work on that. Um, so this is encouraging, but it looks like we still have some room to improve. Um, so with that in mind, um, I'm going to go ahead and move on to the next one. Um, which is to understand, basically, how can we close that gap? Like, what else are we missing that is important about this? Um, this is, you know, this part of your town center. And this is something we're going to in the conversation for the second part of the meeting. We'll we'll talk through this in a more flexible way. But we wanted to kind of get a a first start. So if there's anything that comes to mind immediately, um, you can type it in. Um, and then we also like I mentioned, we'll have sticky notes that you can add some more, um, you know, maybe you might need a little bit more time to think about what's what's the thing that's missing? So, um, no worries if it doesn't come to mind immediately.

00:56:18,030	S1:
A few more minutes. I got a bunch of people who are mid typing.

00:56:35,030	S3:
I.

00:56:47,570	S1:
Understand that question so folks can understand. So, um, and let me know if I'm not getting it right. Um, so I think the question was, um, in documenting and reflecting these patterns on railroad apps, are we thinking about these as patterns that we want to expand or introduce elsewhere, or are we just trying to understand And suggests what might make sense in the real world. Is that an accurate? Summary? Not quite.

00:57:20,800	S1:
Yeah. So the so to respond to. To answer that question, um, this is not a suggestion that the rest of your town center should look like railroad up, unless you all tell us that's what you want. Our assumption is that there's something special about Railroad App. You want to hold on to that you want to make sure that that's something that continues and that any future development fits in. But we're not assuming that that's what you want elsewhere as well at this point.

00:57:54,570	S3:
Um.

00:57:57,199	S1:
Yeah, that's a great point. I see there's a couple of people typing, but I'll just mention, um, she was calling attention to the height as something you want to make sure that we don't see three stories, for instance, as something. So just to point out, the current zoning does allow three stories. So this is something that this is one of the things that somewhat urgent or important about this exercise. Apart from all the other concerns swirling around it, as your current zoning doesn't necessarily help you get what you like and care about about your town center now. Yeah. Go ahead.

00:58:32,500	S3:
This is just a form of what happens in the future. Or are we going to say, okay, so we're talking about our businesses supposed to apply retroactively and make businesses and buildings.

00:58:50,929	S1:
Yeah, this is a great question. So this is something that comes up a lot with zoning. I think there's a variant on this question before. So zoning doesn't apply retroactively. So if you have a building because a certain character, a certain size, certain pattern, um, you are almost always, you know, allowed to continue with no alterations. The only time that new zoning starts to matter if you're an existing building or property owner is if you're making a massive gut renovation to the point where you begin to trigger the all of those same approvals. So if you're doing like an incremental addition, it's not going to have a lot of impact. If you're talking about a complete overhaul, it would. But for the vast majority of people, it won't affect you in that way. It'll only affect properties that want to pursue a big change. Thank you. Yeah. Um, so this is great. We're going to get the beginnings of some things that we should be capturing more completely in our documentation. I'll do in just a moment. Um, around, um, trees, parking variety, flower sidewalks. So a lot of things related to public realm, which is the term we use to talk about the space that's both public and private, that's in front of buildings and properties. Um, I'm going to go ahead and jump to, um, I think a couple more people typing. So while people are typing, why don't you go ahead?

01:00:16,670	S5:
Is there any way that we can see the entire presentation? We're asking very specifically the downtown area. We don't see what you're presenting for the whole thing. I don't know how I personally can answer this question for a very specific area.

01:00:32,769	S1:
We will at the end of this talk, some questions about the relationship of the different patterns of areas. Um, I think I understand what you're asking for. It's kind of a chicken or the egg. We need to get into some level of detail. We're not proposed. We don't have a proposal for the overall. We're going to ask that from you. So we can't. In order to be able to have that conversation, we have to get to some level of detail to see how this is resonating? Um.

01:01:00,869	S3:
You know.

01:01:05,000	S5:
I don't think.

01:01:06,030	S3:
So.

01:01:06,769	S1:
You know, those are the. Yeah. The map that we showed as a starting point for this exercise is our understanding, our interpretation of what the patterns are in your downtown currently. Um, it is not related to the zoning that governs what can happen on those properties now.

01:01:26,429	S3:
In that.

01:01:27,630	S1:
Area. Yeah. For each of the areas, we're going to go through the same exercise. Um, so I'm going to go ahead and close this out. Um, apologies for those of you that may still be typing. We just need to keep moving so that we don't keep it here too late. Um, so that all.

01:01:41,469	S3:
We're dealing with whatsoever.

Right? 01:01:43,929	S1:
Correct.

01:01:45,829	S3:
So.

01:01:47,130	S1:
Yeah, we don't have a proposal. That's why we're trying to break this down into a scale that we can get meaningful input. So it's not overwhelming all at once. And we're trying to start from a from you?

01:02:00,199	S3:
Correct.

01:02:05,670	S1:
Yeah. I think it's hard to be patient when the end result is. Yeah. The question was just pointing out that, um, we're trying to, um, take it step by step. We're not doing showing you a big picture vision or proposal because we haven't gotten there yet. We don't have that. So I know it's hard to be patient, given all of the things that are all the big issues that are swirling around this. But we really have to talk about this at this level of detail in order to get to a point where we can even understand how this relates to those other issues.

Um. 01:02:42,469	S5:
You may go back.

01:02:43,369	S3:
To that one.

01:02:44,530	S5:
And talk about that.

01:02:48,730	S1:
Yeah. I'm going to briefly go back to that. I'm not going to speak to it at length. Um, but just so that everybody knows. This is this is the structure we're going through. So we're each of these color zones. We are talking about those individually with you. So we've based on our interpretation. This is where we think these boundaries these transitions between different patterns occur. And we're trying to understand if within each of these areas were accurately understanding what the pattern is right now.

01:03:17,429	S3:
This is exactly the same. So one of these.

01:03:24,769	S5:
So.

01:03:27,929	S1:
Yes. The feedback that we did tonight is the thing that we are using to begin the next step. It will inform how we approach this going forward. And without that input we're stuck with just our analysis which we know is not sufficient. So we need to get input from you all to do this right.

01:03:52,000	S1:
Yeah. The without the community input, it would be us just going for it based on our best professional judgment, which is never the right way to do something. You know your community better than we ever will, and we want to make sure that we're understanding it as good as we as well as we possibly can at the time we have. So we're giving you something that's relevant and useful, and that matches the character of your community. And we can't do that if we don't hear from you about the patterns. Um, okay.

01:04:24,829	S2:
So, um, thank you for staying with us here. We're going to cycle through each one of those areas very quickly to ask you to get it right, or we characterize you in the right way. Are the things that you'd like to preserve or enhance or other things you want to see in those areas. Um, the second area we call Bay Road Commercial, um, it's characterized by that sort of area that's just to the East Bay road of of the railroad tracks. And I think the predominant sort of feature a little bit are, um, you know, two and a half story, uh, more like residential structures that through time have begun to absorb commercial uses. So you see signage out front. Um, there's a few other dedicated commercial uses. Um, what we're also seeing in this area are lots that are pretty deep. And so you see sort of other kinds of structures that have emerged in the back. Um, this is the, this sort of coffee shop in the back. Um, anyway, these are some of the sort of characteristics that we're seeing here. Um, and again, we've, we've, um, elected to just so we have our facts straight to understand dimensionally what we're seeing on the ground here. And so these are much larger lots, um, somewhere between 75ft wide and 125ft. Again, we see very commonly there's quite a bit of parking. To serve some of those commercial uses. Um, and again, um, deep loss that allow for um have allowed for different kinds of structures to be built towards the rear over time.

01:06:10,800	S2:
Um, again, this is, this is our sort of collecting data, if you will. Um, to understand what exists and then to your feedback from you whether those observations are correct. And also, um, further, uh, what kinds of things that you may want to, to see in these locations.

01:06:34,429	S1:
So same deal with this one. These are all going to have the same two questions, but relative to each of the subjects of subareas that we're talking about. So for this one, for the Bay road Commercial subarea, we want to understand the same thing. How did we do? Um, how close are we at capturing that development? Um, and then we'll follow up by asking you about, you know, what do you think we might have missed? So we'll give people some time for this. It's like we're got a good strong response so far. About 35 people. Give it a few more minutes to get into the upper 40s.

01:07:13,400	S3:
Okay.

01:07:14,829	S1:
Since we're running a bit short on time, I'm going to go ahead and advance that so you can see how we did so about the same. So we're getting most of it. But there's still things that are missing. Um so with that in mind um, what are we missing? What other features about this area are important that we should be understanding and reflecting and building on going forward?

01:07:49,269	S1:
This is a good time for questions while people are typing.

01:07:59,000	S1:
Sorry. One second. We have two of you asking questions. We can have the yellow shirt in the front and then in the back. Go ahead.

01:08:13,469	S1:
Okay, so the question is are we talking about commercially developing the town.

01:08:19,000	S3:
Yes.

01:08:19,270	S1:
And three. Okay. So first there's also a question of whether we're developers. We are not developers. We are planners and architects. So we deal with regulations and occasionally we will design buildings for other people. But we do know we never develop buildings. Um, the question the second piece about three A and commercial development. So this is if we come up with a zoning code together. It goes to town meeting and at that town meeting collectively choose to adopt that zoning, which is all both all those things are biggest. If we get to that point and the zoning is implemented, it would govern what can and cannot happen, but it would not require development. Three also does not require development. Three A is only about zoning, so it's only about the rules for development. It's not about the development itself, which is I know a subtle distinction but isn't very satisfying. But none of this actually requires or triggers development and just changes the rules for development. And that might change people's behavior. That might make people make different choices because they have new opportunities. So there is real change that's about that's associated with these choices, but it does not fundamentally require anything new to happen.

01:09:40,170	S3:
They have said that 6177.

01:09:44,869	S3:
Must fill a certain number.

01:09:47,399	S1:
That is in. I'm going to restate that. I'm going to restate what you said. So a woman in the audience is just said that the state has required each town that's in this to build a certain number of units.

01:10:01,270	S3:
Open to developers.

01:10:03,199	S1:
Okay. That requires a certain number of units to be built.

01:10:05,869	S3:
Yes.

01:10:06,800	S1:
That is a very common inaccurate understanding. It is requiring zoning. That is it. There is no requirement for building. It is just zoning.

01:10:19,770	S3:
It is a level playing field.

01:10:21,829	S1:
Because the question is why would they want to change zoning? Um, I'm going to do this so everybody can see if everybody can be quiet for a moment. I will explain an answer to that. Why would the state want communities to change their zoning? Right now, zoning is one of the biggest barriers to any kind of housing development in the entirety of the state. And so, yes, if you change zoning, people may respond differently. They probably will respond differently. But the state requirement is not about that response. It does not require that response. They would like to see that response, but it does not have any direct requirement for that response. It is only about the zoning because that is such a big barrier.

01:11:14,470	S5:
Obviously, we are a public school. The town is planning to build something positive in any town.

01:11:28,229	S1:
So there was a comment about the town on school site being a place where there is an active interest in development. That may be true. However, any town owned land, in addition to zoning has to go through a town vote.

01:11:48,569	S5:
To.

01:11:49,270	S1:
Even be available to developers, and all of that would be addressed at that time separately, with very specific priorities.

01:11:57,329	S5:
How do you do that?

01:12:01,069	S1:
The current zoning. We haven't looked at that closely because it hasn't been the focus so far. But the zoning is not designed for the kind of thing that people have been discussing or considering on site. I'm going to, in the interest of time, I'm going to keep moving the next question cycle where we're doing polling. I'll take some more questions. And sorry to the gentleman back. I know that we will get to you. Um, okay. Um, so for this one, we saw that there's some of the things we missed included traffic, commercial trees, railroad parking. So again, a lot of things that are not so much about the development on the parcels themselves, but about their relationship to the street and the activities there and the other infrastructure nearby. So that's important for us to understand that that's that's really part of what people are noticing about the specific character of these different areas. And I'm just going to make a note that we are running over time from what we've allocated this, given that we had so many questions, which was not our intended format, again, we understand that was what was needed. Um, we can either keep proceeding through this in a more structured way, or we can transition more quickly to the portion of the meeting where we are not in this relationship, and we're all talking in the rear of the room in a discussion format. My inclination is to do that sooner rather than later. We do have this and one other, um, pattern subarea that we've gone into this level of detail on. So I'd like to get to the polling questions for those two sites, and then I'd like to break so that we can all have more informal discussions together and address specific questions you may have. Um, in the time that we have remaining. So I hope that others feel similarly. And I'll pass it back to you to take these last two.

01:13:53,770	S2:
Thank you for staying with us. Um, the next sort of character area generally we're calling downtown residential. It's the it's the single family residential that's west of the tracks. Um, and I think it's it's pretty consistently characterized by slightly smaller lots, in some cases a more informal arrangements of older houses with some garages or small sort of barn attachments. Um, there is generally kind of a higher lot coverage because the lots are smaller. But um, again, it has a sort of, uh, what I would say is more of a village. Village character to to its density. Um, and here's just a kind of a little bit of. Some of our qualitative observations about what we're seeing in terms of the architecture, in terms of what's going on in the front, in the front yard. Um, sometimes, uh, the buildings are similar, sometimes one is different from the other, but we're seeing a slightly more, maybe modest scale of, of dwelling and, um, a slightly tighter relationship to the street as some of these parcels are a little bit smaller. Um, so we're seeing parcel widths, you know, anywhere from 50 to 100ft. Um, this is maybe an example of a typical sort of smaller one with a garage in the back. Um, there are obviously slightly bigger ones, again, with some, some open space in the rear and maybe some that are even bigger, but we're seeing sort of a variety that tend to be a little bit more compact than the Walnut Road area. Um, so I will move on again if I ask you to, to to pull on this one. Um, did we describe it correctly? Um, move on to the next question. It should be it should be prompted. Right now I see some answers rolling in. That's good. And, um.

01:15:58,199	S2:
We can answer questions at the end.

Okay. 01:16:17,970	S1:
Sorry, I didn't have a mic. Um, we were in the upper 40, so, um. Or lower 40, so I wanted to go ahead and keep us moving. So in this case, um, we were starting to get closer. Um, so slightly better score than we had for the other ones, but same general idea. Mostly on track, but still needs some some fine tuning. So this next one is about what we're missing. So for the downtown residential subarea, what features did we miss?

01:17:13,199	S1:
Quite a few people typing, but I'm going to go ahead and advance. You can keep typing and submit it. It won't lock you, but you can start to see some of the things that have come up. Um, just in us doing more work around the sidewalks, acknowledging churches as part of this pattern. Um, you know, looking at how walkable it is. Um, and septic issues like we talked about before. Um, children, um, families, a bunch of other things that are kind of in smaller text here. Um, okay. I'm going to keep moving.

01:17:46,930	S5:
I think, in the interest of time.

01:17:50,399	S2:
Okay. Walnut grove residential. Um, this is a residential area that is west of Bay road. Again, we're seeing, as I mentioned earlier, uh, it's kind of a distinct residential neighborhood from the downtown portion because the parcels tend to be bigger. The, um, the houses tend to be set back a little bit further. Uh, the lots again are slightly larger. Um, you can see from some of these sampling images a much more generous front yards, much more generous side yards, It's a more traditional suburban slash rural pattern. Um, less like a kind of type village sort of pattern. Um, again, some of these lots are quite large, so some of them are actually leaving that 20,000 square foot minimum is probably based around that, um, but 100 to 200ft deep. Um, and again, a lot's big enough to support, uh, buildings that are two, two and a half storeys with, with garages that are either attached or even sometimes sort of separate. Um, but generally, again, larger lots, bigger houses, uh, bigger front yards, bigger setbacks. Um, and I'll quickly ask you if that sounds about right.

01:19:29,199	S2:
41 is our magic number. All right. Pretty good. Our best one yet. I guess we're getting warm. Um, and I will move on to the next one again, which is, um, what are other important features or aspects of this neighborhood maybe that we have captured or just are important to you in terms of, uh, that describe its existing character?

01:20:01,899	S3:
I know I'm almost.

01:20:05,069	S2:
To the expert.

01:20:09,869	S3:
Land. And my teacher recommends there's a lot of room that goes through all.

01:20:33,729	S5:
I hope you're.

01:20:34,569	S2:
Putting your answers down.

Okay. 01:20:38,569	S5:
I'm going to I'm going.

01:20:39,329	S2:
To again keep this.

01:20:40,470	S5:
Moving.

01:20:43,869	S1:
So I think this will be our last one. Maybe we can keep going with the other tools. But I.

01:20:49,770	S3:
Think.

01:20:50,630	S1:
For time. So we have about 30 minutes remaining and we'll leave this open so people can keep responding. Um, a lot of the questions that we've had up for the polls are kind of replicated in certain ways on the boards behind us. So please, if there's one that you wanted to talk to us about more, please come find us at the board that matches that. Um, that subarea. So just to give you a general sense of it. Um, and apologies for the virtual folks will kick you off in a moment. Um, on the far right, if you turn around and look towards the rear of the room on the far right is the overall map of the, um, that half mile from the town center, um, uh, commuter rail station on that. But we really want to hear from you about is how do you define the boundary of your town center? We know we've been using this half mile as a starting point, but we know that that's not an accurate representation of what your town center is. So help us understand where you think the boundary is. Um, so if we the handouts that you may have collected as you were coming in, um, that's what that's for. So we want you to draw on that and then give it back to us so that we can see where you think the boundary is. Um, there's also room for sticky notes to add to that board. The next one to the left from there is the railroad and commercial. Um, if folks who just keep the chatter down a little bit longer so that everybody can hear the instructions, that'd be great. So railroad commercial. We want to know what have we missed? We want to have conversations with you about that for Bay road Commercial. Same thing. And we have all this information there. We want to hear from you about what we've missed. Um, and then the downtown residential and the Walnut Row residential. Same thing. And then lastly, we also have the Crossroads and Cumberland Farms area and the Willow Street Industrial Services area, which we didn't get a chance to speak with you about in the polling setting. So if you want to talk to us about those, please find us at that board. Um, we want to understand, you know, your thoughts on that. And if you consider those to be part of the town center. Um, so with that, I think I will break and folks can go ahead and transition to the rear of the room. I'm going to need a few minutes just to close out the virtual setting. And please come to us with any questions that you didn't get answered in this format. Um, appreciate your patience with us, and hopefully we'll be able to answer any remaining questions you have in that setting. So thanks everyone.