00:00:02,270 S1: Okay, well, we already did call to order at 647. The attendance was myself, Dion Buco, Deirdre Peretti, Gary Cheeseman, and Ben Timon. That's four out of five. Pete should be coming. Um, we do have public input to regular meetings. Ten minutes reserved for any public input. Any participating participants wishing to address the Select board during public comments may do so today by zoom. By just raising their hands, speakers should identify themselves by name and street, and the select board may or may not deliberate or vote on any matters brought up during public comment. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to participate in public comment? 00:00:45,530 S1: I don't see anybody and I think I see everybody on the screen. Right? 00:00:51,000 S2: Yep. Okay, I see no hands. 00:00:53,929 S1: I see no hands. All right, let's get right into our new business. Then we have to discuss and possibly vote on the acquisition of five Ards Automated External Defibrillators. Additionally, we need to formally request approval from the fin com to release the funds from the reserve fund for the purchase of such AEDs. I think we're all in agreement that, especially after the training from the fire department, that we should have more AEDs available in and around Town Hall. I don't remember the exact locations for these five. Steve, do you? 00:01:29,099 S2: Yeah, we wanted one at the Koa building, one in the Koa van, um, one at the DPW, one at the police station, and, um, one at the, uh, iron rail isn't iron rail. That's right. Thanks, Gary. 00:01:50,099 S1: And the iron rail is different than the DPW. 00:01:53,599 S2: Yeah, well, the iron rail building and then the DPW building itself. 00:01:57,969 S1: Right. And we thought the sooner we got this money transferred through the fin com, then we could order them because there's a waitlist. So does anyone want to make a motion. And we can further, further discuss. 00:02:12,300 S2: Um, no, I think that. Well. I'm sorry. 00:02:19,569 S1: Deirdre. Go ahead. 00:02:22,229 S3: Move to approve the acquisition of five automated external defibrillators AEDs. And request the Finance and advisory committee to release funds from the fin com reserve fund for the purchase of the five AEDs. 00:02:36,669 S4: Gary. Seconds. 00:02:38,969 S1: Perfect. Any other discussion? Steve, did you have anything to add to that? 00:02:47,030 S2: I think that's great. I just, um, you know, they're both just so they're they're about $2,500 apiece. And the lead time from when you order them, which, you know, kind of adds to the urgency of 3 to 6 months. So we definitely want to get this order in sooner rather than later. And they do require some sort of a, you know, 50% or something down payment that to take the order in or out of the devices. 00:03:09,530 S1: So how does it work if we approve this, when does it go to Finkle? 00:03:13,629 S2: Pinkham will pick it up. So we'll send out of myself or Jeff Calder. Yeah. Jeff Solon will send a little memo to the fin com tomorrow. Just saying, you know, giving them the details, a little bit of why we need it, the reserve fund balance, etc.. 00:03:33,330 S1: Okay. 00:03:33,830 S2: And they'll they'll either approve or deny the release of the funds. So once they release the funds that we can proceed, they don't release the funds will be back to a select board. But you know. 00:03:45,099 S1: Okay. Sounds great. Let's vote. Diane says yes. 00:03:50,229 S3: Deirdre. Yes. 00:03:53,770 S4: Yes, yes. 00:03:55,000 S1: Sorry, I think we both. 00:03:56,199 S4: Yes. Yes. 00:03:57,199 S1: Perfect. So that's four votes. What do we. So it's unanimous for those who are here. Is that correct? Yes. So more business. We have a discussion and potential vote on a one day liquor license for Creative Catering for an event at the Penguin Hall on Thursday, March 21st, 2024 from 530 to 8. We held this over from last meeting because not all the paperwork was in. I think all the paperwork is in now. Um, so I think we should have a motion and then we can discuss. 00:04:41,269 S5: Move to discussion purposes anyway, to approve the one day liquor license for Creative Catering for event at Penguin Hall on Thursday, March 21st, 2024 from 530 to 8 p.m.. 00:04:56,529 S4: Second every seconds. 00:04:58,170 S1: So it's moved and seconded. We can discuss. Um, I believe we had asked for updates on the Penguin Hall, um, financial situation. So before we approve, I suppose we should, if there's any update at all. Steve. 00:05:16,000 S2: Yeah. Um, a couple updates. So one, they had a in as part of their water repayment plan. They had a, a, um, a payment due on the first. That was Friday. Town Hall was closed. Uh, so we came to the end of today and, uh, we still have not received that payment. Uh, in additionally, um, it was brought to my attention today from the police chief that they are also in arrears, um, on some detail pay that they had gotten in detail for a project and have not received, uh, or refund for that so that we pay the the way it works is we pay the the town pays the officers and then the vendor reimburse for the town. So we haven't we haven't received that reimbursement yet. 00:06:07,569 S1: So that's the regular motion when outside entities use our police detail that that's normal procedure that we pay for the officer. And then we submit to reimburse from, say, the Topsfield Fair or in this case, Penguin. All right. 00:06:23,129 S2: Yeah. Because we're by contract, were required to pay the officers within 14 days of them, um, 14 days of them, uh, providing the service. So. 00:06:39,699 S3: So we outside the 14 days? 00:06:44,500 S2: I believe so, yes. Yeah. We've already paid the officer. We have to pay the officer in any event. 00:06:50,329 S3: Right. But, I mean, their bill is now outstanding. 00:06:53,500 S4: Yes. 00:06:54,069 S2: That's right. That's. Yeah. That's correct. So to get to this point where they're actually going back and reconciling the hit, admit to it to that they're trying to get better about reconciling that past to detail invoices that it's been outstanding for some time. 00:07:13,329 S5: And this this is an event I'm sorry. Go ahead. 00:07:16,769 S3: I was just going to ask you said they were also notified that they had until the end of today for the water payment. 00:07:23,870 S2: No. Well, we gave them through the. It was due on Friday. Okay. I mean, so. 00:07:29,069 S3: Which they know. 00:07:30,329 S2: Which they know. And but we figured to give the you know we were close so but we do we take the payments and the drop box but the so we think it would give to the end of today to see if she came with the check. But it did not. And one day grace period. 00:07:45,500 S1: Got it then. 00:07:48,170 S5: Um, So the applicant is actually creative catering. And so this is an event for. 00:07:57,269 S4: I guess. 00:07:58,269 S5: The the only connection to the property owner here is the use of their venue. 00:08:06,029 S2: Well, my understanding is that this is this is a, this is an event being put on by Penguin Hall for a fundraising event. And this is the catering company that is running the event for them. So it is a it is the permit is to create a catering because they will be the one serving the alcohol and serving the food as well for that matter. But from my understanding, it's an event for Penguin Hall fundraising event. 00:08:33,330 S1: Yeah. 00:08:34,529 S4: So if it's a fundraiser for Penguin Hall, I should think, um, although we've had concerns in the past about payments that, uh, I would think that we'd like to allow them to make money so they can pay us. Is that rational? 00:08:53,600 S3: No. 00:08:54,299 S1: I see. Deirdre doesn't agree with that statement. I'm a little bit torn. 00:09:01,269 S3: Um, I think because there's a pattern that we're seeing here. Um, and that we, you know, we had to go to a payment plan to get paid for the water. And now, even after being granted a payment plan, it's still not being met. So, you know, the last time the license was submitted late, it's sort of like a continuous pattern here. And I find that problematic, and particularly that there's not also some explanation. 00:09:35,100 S1: Right. That's a good point. 00:09:39,429 S5: I think we, um. 00:09:41,470 S3: Sorry. Go ahead. 00:09:43,370 S5: I think a few months ago, under similar circumstances. Not to say that has to dictate what the board does now, but that we, um. Well, I guess we didn't go out of our way. We didn't convene a special meeting. I think it was to approve, um, a prior event there. And then, um, the most recent time that this whole matter came to our attention was with respect to the food license, which, you know, what was renewed? Um, but based on, um, you know, a payment plan. So I guess I think the property owner certainly been on ample notice that, you know, that it has the, that it should be getting squared away with these matters before it's asking for discretionary approvals. 00:10:41,500 S2: And, um, you know, the the event is on the 21st. So the Select board is scheduled to meet on the 19th. Right. Next regular scheduled meeting. So, you know, if they were to pay up, I don't know if it would change. You know, it still before the event. So, you know, she may have an opportunity to come discuss it with the board. I don't know, I just want to throw that out there that it's there's still the board is still coming together one more time before the event. 00:11:12,429 S3: So it also says in the application, Gary, just to that point about fundraising, it says promotional event with North Shore Magazine. So I'm not sure that's the same as fundraising. 00:11:30,470 S1: Any further conversation or discussion? Do we think we're ready to vote? 00:11:39,129 S1: Okay. 00:11:40,730 S4: Can I ask one quick question? 00:11:42,269 S1: You can. 00:11:43,269 S4: Is there A option here to request a immediate payment on the other stuff, or to find out why we did not receive money today to reconsider. Because, you know, I'm thinking in one sense, you know, they certainly are in financial difficulties. I don't see how it benefits the town to put them deeper into difficulties without some conversation. 00:12:15,230 S1: So my thought is they knew we were meeting on this and they couldn't be here, right? We didn't make a formal invite, but I think because we didn't vote on it last week or last meeting, whenever that was, and we said we would bring it back, they would have been more interested, perhaps to come and speak to us or explain the situation or tell us what the event's about. 00:12:41,000 S4: Very well. 00:12:42,100 S1: You know. 00:12:42,870 S3: Yeah, but we could look at it again right at the next meeting if everything's paid. Is that what we're agreeing? 00:12:51,169 S1: Certainly. We certainly could. I mean, that that to run an event or to plan an event, I think you need to notify and prepare and plan. And so if it was denied or even postponed, how could they go forward? You know, planning for the event if we're not going to meet again until the 19th, that gives them two days. Mm. 00:13:11,470 S3: True. 00:13:12,070 S1: So I don't know. I don't know. Um, I'm happy to give that a try. 00:13:21,899 S1: But right now we have on the table a motion to approve this license from March 21st. 00:13:32,529 S1: Um. 00:13:34,370 S4: There's. Has there been a second? 00:13:37,500 S1: Yes, it's been seconded. 00:13:38,730 S4: All right. 00:13:41,169 S1: So we really just need to vote. Um. 00:13:46,100 S5: I mean, if it's the if it's the pleasure of the board, um, I could amend the motion. Well, I mean, I as I said, I made the motion to approve just for discussion purposes only. So as it stands now, that would likely be voted down. But one possibility, I suppose, would be that, you know, that motion gets withdrawn and then a motion to deny the application, but perhaps without prejudice to the property owner coming current on, on its, uh, those payment obligations to the town that are now that are overdue. 00:14:27,169 S1: So how so if if that was a motion that you made, would we need to. And so it gets made. Everything gets brought up to date. You know, on March 15th I'm throwing out a date. Do we need to meet again to to make a final approval? 00:14:43,830 S5: I think we I think we would want to. I mean, I think we would still want to meet on a regular schedule scheduled meeting, which is, you've said Diana's you know, there's only a couple days before the event, but if we if we were to vote in the way that I described it, it perhaps sends a signal that, you know, that those are the things that need to be corrected to, um, make it more likely that we would approve it on the on whatever date that is. 00:15:12,629 S1: Very creative motion. 00:15:14,070 S5: I, I don't know if it's the way to go or not, but I mean, I think it at least gives them a little bit of a, a roadmap. It shouldn't be a very difficult roadmap for anybody to, to follow. But just it looks like there's two payments that are due fire department reimbursement and, uh, the water installment payment. 00:15:34,570 S1: Police, police reimbursement. Right. Gary. 00:15:38,299 S4: Right. So you essentially you're going to go for an approval. Contingent upon payment of the two bills. Is that how the motion is going to read them? 00:15:47,730 S5: Well, we could we could do that. And if we if we did do that, I'd be fine with that. If we did that, then then there wouldn't be, I guess, a need for another vote or we could say denied, but, you know, denied without prejudice to, um, reconsideration upon payment of those bills, which is, I realize, a little convoluted, but that would still send a signal to them that that's what needs to be fixed, or we could approve it with those conditions, I guess. 00:16:18,299 S5: Or we can do something else. 00:16:19,370 S1: Very creative. 00:16:20,870 S2: Do you recommend that? I'd recommend the denial of prejudice and then it gives you it's I think it I believe to be cleaner and then you can bring it back up on the 19th. If we do get the payment and I can just communicate to Molly Martin tomorrow morning. 00:16:37,100 S4: Sounds good. 00:16:39,429 S5: So, um, I'm not sure how this works with Robert's Rules of Order. If if the motion can just be withdrawn by the person who made the motion, or if there's not some other action that needs to be taken procedurally. 00:16:54,169 S1: I think you can just be withdrawn because we did not vote on it. 00:16:57,799 S5: Okay. So I'll as the movements on that motion, I'll withdraw it and I'll, um, move instead that the requested. Um, well, let me just look at the actual language. Give me one second. 00:17:12,769 S1: One day. Liquor license. 00:17:16,470 S5: Um. 00:17:23,299 S5: All right, so I move. 00:17:27,000 S5: That we deny the one day liquor license for Creative catering for event at Penguin Hall on Thursday, March 21st, 2024, from 530 to 8 p.m.. Without prejudice to reconsideration of the decision upon payment of all outstanding obligations to the town. 00:17:54,230 S4: January seconds. 00:17:58,470 S1: Um. 00:18:01,829 S1: Yeah, I have. Any other conversation? Discussion? 00:18:08,430 S1: I would like to start voting and say yes. Yes. 00:18:13,369 S4: Gary. Yes. 00:18:14,869 S3: Deirdre. Yes. 00:18:16,569 S5: Yes. 00:18:18,069 S1: So, all for denial. Without prejudice to the one day liquor license. Great. What a great way to to go forward with that. I really appreciate that. Thanks, Ben. Um, and, Steve, you'll reach out. 00:18:38,829 S2: Oh, yes, I will. 00:18:40,000 S1: And, um, payment should probably be due if we have to post that meeting agenda by the 17th. That payment should be in. It shouldn't be a late add to the agenda. I don't think. 00:18:53,099 S2: Yeah. I mean, I could tell her that we need it by, you know, the morning of the 14th, because that's when we need to post it by the end of the day on the 14th. For that, we're going through the weekend with the 48 hours. 00:19:05,670 S1: Yeah, I appreciate that. I think that's important. 00:19:08,400 S2: Okay. I have to amend the agenda again. 00:19:10,829 S1: Thank you. Uh, discussion and potential vote on a one day liquor license. Everybody's having parties. Liquor license for our first church for a private event on March 16th, 2024, from 6 to 10. We saw this one last. This was pulled last time because it was not complete as well. Steve. Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:34,099 S2: Sorry, sorry. This one is now complete and there is no issues. This is a request from the first church. 00:19:43,829 S1: Okay. Um, I'd entertain a motion to approve the one day liquor license for the first church for the private event on March 16th, 2024, from 6 to 10 p.m.. 00:19:54,869 S4: Gary. Second. 00:19:57,599 S1: Deidre. So moved, I think. Right. 00:19:59,230 S3: Moved? 00:19:59,529 S1: Yes. So moved. Gary. Seconded. 00:20:03,170 S1: Questions? Comments. Discussion. No. Let's vote I say yes, Diane says yes. 00:20:10,099 S3: Deirdre. Yes. 00:20:11,769 S4: Gary? Yes. 00:20:13,200 S5: Then yes. 00:20:15,029 S1: Another unanimous decision. Um, to approve that. It's great the way you guys are all doing that. All in the same way that I see you on the screen. All right, here we go. The warrant. Everyone get the weekend, the warrant over the weekend. Um, so I did, and I sent Steve a whole bunch of, um, little things that I found. Someone else probably noticed this, but on the front page, we have the wrong date. Did you know that? Did you touch that to see that? 00:20:43,170 S2: Yeah. So let's see. 00:20:46,130 S4: At the top. 00:20:47,500 S2: Hold on. Let me share it. 00:21:00,200 S1: I didn't notice it when I first went through it. 00:21:18,769 S1: Steve, are you by yourself today? I don't see any Michelle or Joe. 00:21:23,000 S2: Yeah, they're in the in the background trying to. 00:21:27,970 S1: Do other things. Okay. 00:21:34,200 S5: We should be looking at the version that that you sent out on Friday. Right, Steve? 00:21:39,099 S2: Yeah. I, uh, I'm just just trying to pull it up here. 00:21:53,269 S1: Here we go. 00:21:58,099 S2: Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ, she is my language. Uh. 00:22:06,269 S1: Sex. 00:22:07,500 S2: Sex? Yeah. 00:22:10,069 S1: 2024. 00:22:15,269 S2: How many people have read through that and took to this stuff? 00:22:22,130 S1: Okay, so we're we're in person. 00:22:24,700 S2: Yeah. So we're in person, I changed this. There's a couple material changes that I received from comments and members on the board, so I tried to highlight the typos I did not highlight, but I highlighted the material changes when we were going through. Just so you know that it changed from the version that you reviewed over the weekend. And here is one of them. This was still set up as a zoom meeting from last year. However, it will be in person this year. Similar to the other select board meetings, it will be an in-person meeting with a hybrid, um, uh, capability for more of a convenience to the public. However, if there's a technical, technical difficulty, the meeting will continue in person. 00:23:03,869 S1: I think that's a great idea. We do a good job with that. 00:23:12,670 S2: As this remains unchanged. 00:23:15,069 S1: And so what's going on that blank page, the the finance and advisory Committee report? 00:23:19,569 S2: Yes, the finance advisory committee report is going to go here. 00:23:22,769 S1: Okay. 00:23:23,430 S2: So they're just waiting. They've done that. They're finished with that. Uh, They're just waiting on our final warrant articles. So they reference our article numbers in their report. 00:23:36,900 S1: Okay. 00:23:37,769 S2: And just to, you know, in case we, uh, change the order, or if the order gets changed, then we'll update it. Similar to this document here we have a couple of references of article numbers. Yeah Gary. 00:23:50,730 S1: I see. 00:23:51,069 S4: Yeah. You got another, uh. Yep. Top of that page April 6th again. 00:23:56,029 S2: Oh, Jesus. 00:23:58,369 S4: And if I could on article two is that increase veteran and or senior. 00:24:06,630 S1: Increase veteran. 00:24:08,529 S4: Because in the verbiage it says just senior tax work of. 00:24:16,299 S2: It's both. 00:24:17,529 S4: Okay. 00:24:18,170 S1: So then in the to see that if the town will vote to increase from 15 to 2000 the maximum tax deduction available to seniors under the senior tax work up. Yet get that veteran in there too, in the motion or in the, um, what do they call it? The article. 00:24:37,029 S1: Right where your cursor is. 00:24:39,269 S2: Oh. 00:24:47,230 S1: Yeah. 00:24:53,170 S4: And I think you need one more veteran. Right. Available to seniors and veterans under the senior and veteran tax work of earlier in that same line. 00:25:04,470 S2: Good to see if the town vote to increase the amount of time to avail to seniors and veterans. 00:25:15,299 S1: Good call. 00:25:32,299 S2: This is unchanged from last time. Just a note to update the article. References. 00:25:41,269 S2: And then the budget summary. If you remember that the budget summary that we sent out last week gets inserted between article, well, if it's article three and four will be like the, um, the boat goes by department, both salary and expense line items and the total ties with with this number here. 00:26:00,829 S1: Hopefully. Sorry. 00:26:05,170 S2: In theory. Right. 00:26:10,029 S2: Free cash we have. This is, um. This is like this. Go ahead. Gary. 00:26:16,670 S4: So sorry for the nit noise, but I saw an article three. The commentary. Yeah. One. Two. Three. Fifth line down. Using available funds, you need a dollar sign before 25,900. 00:26:34,269 S2: On an article three. 00:26:39,029 S4: I'm sorry. When I'm further down. Sorry at the bottom of the article four. 00:26:47,430 S2: Oh. 00:26:49,269 S4: There you go. 00:26:55,769 S2: The change here from the last time we talked about it was where we've, um. Instead of creating a separate article, we were able to re appropriate the funds, the $25,900 for a grant match, and the firefighters reconfiguration of the office space of in last year's capital program that those neither one of those projects are going to go forward. So we're going to re appropriate those funds to offset the free cash contribution needed to fund this year's capital requests. 00:27:30,269 S1: So how was that? How was that in there? If you could scroll up how was that in the. 00:27:34,029 S2: Yeah. So it kind of shows up. It shows up in the motion. 00:27:37,799 S1: Yeah. Oh. 00:27:39,670 S2: So the commentary spells it out. But then the motion will be okay. It'll spell out the available funds and it will will reference specifically what projects we're raising it from. And then also free cash. 00:27:54,430 S1: Got it. 00:27:55,529 S6: Steve, this is Jeff. 00:27:57,269 S2: Yeah. 00:27:57,970 S6: Did you want me to change that table? So it has multiple columns. So you can see 820 is the like the total cost. And then have a column for free cash and a column for uh, prior year articles. Or is the, the description below. 00:28:13,730 S2: Yeah, I think I think we're good. I think leaving it like this to not confuse it, because we're not going to fund any one article with different funding source. Sauce. It's just, um, it's the the total plan will be funded through two, two different funding sources. 00:28:29,869 S6: Perfect. 00:28:37,900 S2: Um, this is the funding of the stabilization funds is similar. Well, this is what we talked about last time. Recap on that is, you know, we're estimating around 2.3, maybe $2.4 million in free cash. And based on us looking to leave about 1% of our total expenditures, net of appropriation, we were going to, uh, the finance committee recommends and the the uh, select board also recommended and supported the um funding of capital program and about And $35,000 into the stabilization fund to get us to about a little over 6%, and OPEC trust fund contribution of 300,000. 00:29:31,029 S2: And one so we're going to be taking this graph. Just to highlight I didn't move it across because we have some updating to do with the article numbers. So when I copy and paste it across we're going to put this graph at the bottom of the commentary in the Open Trust Fund, uh, article, which is article six as reported before you and at the bottom of the capital, because it, you know, just a detail so that the folks reading it can kind of see what's going on, how they're all tied together. 00:30:00,630 S1: So that chart will be in there three times. 00:30:02,630 S2: Three times. Yep. Okay. You also add chart to free cash oh PM and capital article over here. 00:30:08,000 S1: Oh that's. 00:30:08,369 S6: Great. 00:30:16,029 S1: Um, I see Jeff has a Jeff Calder has a question. 00:30:27,170 S2: Jeff. 00:30:27,930 S7: Yeah. I just wanted to thank you. Uh, just wanted to ask then. Steve, if the use of free cash in that little chart there under article five should be updated so it doesn't read eight 2440 anymore. If the capital program's funding is coming from a combination of free cash plus the the recoup or the unspent funds from the prior year. 00:30:55,769 S2: Yeah. That's correct. That's it's in the note here, the amount article in amounts. So we'll update that on the final. 00:31:03,569 S6: Yeah okay I have that updated I'll send it to you. 00:31:07,329 S2: Thank you. 00:31:08,130 S7: Okay. Thank you. 00:31:10,829 S1: Awesome. Everybody's helping out. 00:31:14,430 S2: Article 606 is the op ed, the OP trust fund contribution that we just spoke about. 00:31:23,799 S2: Where are your bills? This is our. These are our two outstanding bills that we have. 00:31:33,670 S2: And um, based on the fact that these were planned for and funds were appropriated in the fiscal year, we only need a simple majority, not 4/5. 00:31:46,299 S2: They weren't unplanned expenditures. It's just that we did not receive the bill in time to pay it before our books had to close. 00:31:55,000 S1: That's perfect. So it's the same boat so we can squeeze it into the consent agenda. Yeah. Yeah. 00:32:03,299 S2: And the cemetery trust fund. And we went. We went through. I don't want to unless you have any edits. When we went through these pretty and pretty detailed review with the income last week. Just kind of scroll through quick unless you have any changes. 00:32:20,500 S1: Well, before you get to 12, I think we can agree with these numbers. And then you can put back the consent agenda set. I think before we go further, you can make sure that the consent agenda, because we're not going to change those article numbers. 00:32:34,170 S2: Okay. So you have those article numbers. Okay. Yeah. Right. So we'll do. So then that means it will be eight 910 and 11. 00:32:44,000 S1: 789 1011 00:32:47,700 S1: seven. 00:32:48,200 S2: So we don't do prior bills do we. Oh do you want to. Usually we don't I don't think. 00:32:52,500 S1: Usually we don't because we do 4/5. 00:32:54,799 S2: Okay. 00:32:55,700 S1: The amount is $3 $379. And it's a simple majority I'd say put it right in with the. 00:33:02,599 S2: All right. Yeah I'm not opposed. 00:33:04,170 S1: So someone's opposed. They can pull it out. 00:33:06,170 S2: 789 1011 okay. 721. 00:33:09,200 S1: Unless anybody on the board has another option. You're good. 00:33:16,599 S1: 7 to 11. 00:33:40,869 S2: The funding stabilization? 00:33:42,869 S1: Yes. You can put the article numbers in there too. But if Jeff's going to make changes, he can do. Jeff S is going to make changes. 00:33:48,369 S2: Yeah, well, we'll change that just to do that. 00:33:51,000 S1: So then we get into article 12 Water Software. We went through CPA, CPC. We went through article 14 I had questions. 00:34:04,099 S4: For 13. Are we going to put the numbers in the chart like last year. 00:34:08,400 S2: Yeah. Yeah I mean let me pull that up for you right now. 00:35:21,599 S2: All right. So can you see this? You see the spreadsheet in front of you? Yes. All right. So this will be the. This will be copied and pasted into there. These are Lauren's basically Lauren's edits to what you saw last time. 00:35:38,699 S2: They've been Rick. Rick Woodland, um, worked with her over the weekend. 00:35:46,699 S1: I see an error right there in number ten, though. 00:35:49,500 S2: Okay. 00:35:50,000 S1: 910 in the red. Including related fees and A11 expenses or all expenses. 00:35:58,170 S2: Okay, 11. 00:36:03,000 S1: I can't wait to the other ones. 00:36:09,530 S6: If that last comment column, with the red estimated reserves added in there. Um, I still want that to say FY 25 budgetary reserve. 00:36:23,530 S6: Because I need distinct votes between utilizing FY 24 budgetary reserve before six 3020, 24, and then um, the remaining projects would be taken out of the FY 25 budgetary reserve that we're setting. Um, as part of the vote for, um, the estimated revenues. 00:36:46,400 S2: Okay. Um, all right. So why don't we. We'll get Lauren's ear in the morning, you and I, first thing, and we'll we'll make sure that we can make the appropriate or at least, uh, amend it to satisfy her and the accounting side of things. 00:37:00,599 S1: Right, because it's not revenue. Why would the estimated revenues. 00:37:05,929 S6: The estimated revenues is a source for, um, what we call the appropriations and reserves. So every year we, we, we carve out what we think our CPA collected from the residents in the state match. We look at what those numbers are, and that's where we come up with the 10% that goes to affordable housing, the 10% that goes to, you know, historic preservation, etcetera. Um, so I know there was some talk going around about, you know, needing another column for that. Um, but just from my side, I need to have a distinct FY 24 and FY 25 budgetary reserve. Okay. 00:37:45,130 S1: Thank you. Yeah, I'll let you guys figure that out. 00:37:58,070 S1: Is everybody good with this? And we want to read through it. 00:38:17,630 S1: I think we're good. There's no no one seems to have any comments. 00:38:23,730 S1: Or are you reading? 00:38:36,099 S1: No one's answering me. I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of young. 00:38:38,469 S4: So I'm finished reading. Looks good so far. 00:38:41,929 S5: Yeah. Okay, I'm all set with it. 00:38:43,469 S1: Okay. Deirdre. 00:38:45,030 S3: Yeah. 00:38:45,869 S1: Yeah. Thanks, Steve. 00:38:51,300 S1: So article 14. I had a question with the name of the article. 00:39:03,900 S2: So just take note of I don't know. Instead of so 14. You had a. I'm sorry. Dang. Go ahead. 00:39:12,269 S1: Yes. Article 14. The title. 00:39:14,199 S2: Okay. Yeah. 00:39:15,599 S1: I think it's just add section or new buy. It's a new bylaw. It's not a section. Right. You're adding a new article. 00:39:29,269 S1: Add article ten to section 5.5 Dash 37. Organization and succession of board, Commission, counsel and committee officers. I don't think yeah. 00:39:44,000 S1: Anyone have any better wording? 00:39:53,829 S2: Added. 00:39:57,670 S2: Added. 00:40:01,199 S2: Yeah. 00:40:02,030 S1: Or just new bylaw? 00:40:08,469 S3: Article five. A new section. Or is it we adding to the existing article five? 00:40:16,469 S4: Article five is a new article. If I remember correctly. 00:40:27,400 S2: Add an article. 00:40:32,070 S1: Add article five, section 537. 00:40:39,670 S2: We're talking the title, right? 00:40:41,269 S1: Yep, yep. 00:40:42,699 S2: So add just wanted to add article. 00:40:47,900 S1: I think so added sounds like we already did it. So I don't think we want to do that or a new bylaw. I can't think of how we've done this before. 00:41:01,869 S5: If all of article five is new. Then why would this be section five. Three. Seven. It's not just. It's the sections new. 00:41:10,469 S4: Know if I can explain the. The articles and sections run separately. So. Okay. Article one has sections one through eight. Article two has nine through 13. Whatever. 00:41:22,630 S5: I gotcha okay. Oh I see. So it is a whole new article. Yeah. Um, I mean, it could just say, um, could you say new new bylaw, hyphen, organization and succession of board, commission, Council and committee officers? I don't think we need to get into. Is it a section? There's an article in the title. You can just say new bylaw. 00:41:53,329 S2: A new bylaw. 00:41:55,030 S1: And then get rid of add article to town. 00:41:57,530 S5: And yeah then just do a hyphen and then just do hyphen and then start a organization. 00:42:08,670 S5: I mean, that seems like it would work. It's an extra space there, but nice job. It's just a spacing issue on both sides of the hyphen. But that's it. 00:42:23,130 S1: I think bylaw is capitalized, but because you capitalized it in the article. 00:42:29,599 S1: Thank you. 00:42:32,030 S5: I think that works. Yep. 00:42:50,869 S5: And Steve, um, well, maybe Lauren's already checked this, but, um, given that this is a an amendment or the addition of a to the general bylaws, which I do think is a simple majority, but I'm not positive. I assume that maybe Lauren has. 00:43:08,369 S1: Which ones at the new. 00:43:09,269 S5: Ballpark. The thresholds of approval for 14. 00:43:12,070 S2: She she has reviewed all of them, but I've learned from past, um, instances that I'll before this goes out tomorrow. This will go back to her and I'm going to ask to double check the well, the. 00:43:25,730 S1: Vote would know it's in town meeting time pretty much 100% sure that it's a simple majority for a bylaw. 00:43:31,730 S5: Is zoning for zoning bylaws. It gets a little bit more complicated based on the the actually the MBTA communities legislation, um, changed some of that, but we'll we'll get to that when we get to the zoning bylaw. Yeah, yeah. 00:43:51,000 S1: I think 15 and 16, the Board of Assessors and Board of Health is all good, right? 00:43:58,369 S2: Yeah. While we're here, do you guys want to make a recommendation? 00:44:04,269 S1: We haven't done that yet. Is this the first one? We haven't done that yet. We didn't do 14 either, did we? Oh, no, we did 14. 00:44:09,969 S2: We only know. I put it in there. I put it in there. Oh, you haven't taken the vote yet to recommend. 00:44:19,769 S1: Is this the only. Is this the first one we haven't recommended yet? Did we miss any yet? 00:44:25,000 S2: Uh, no, I don't believe. 00:44:26,070 S1: Okay, so I'd certainly entertain a motion, um, that the Select Board recommend article 14 to add a new bylaw about the organization and succession of board, commission, counsel and committee officers. 00:44:44,769 S3: So moved. 00:44:46,199 S4: Gary. Seconds. 00:44:48,000 S1: Perfect. Any more discussion? We talked about it at meetings and stuff. I say yes. 00:44:54,969 S3: Yes. 00:44:55,900 S4: Jerry. 00:44:56,170 S5: Yes and yes. 00:44:59,500 S1: Four. Zero. Perfect. Unanimous. Thank you. Thanks for bringing that up, Steve. So then, Board of Health. 00:45:07,170 S1: I think we've talked about this and Steve explained it to you. I certainly entertain a motion that the Select board recommend moving from an elected board of health to an appointed Board of Health, or article 15. 00:45:20,730 S3: Moved. 00:45:22,369 S4: Gary. 00:45:22,769 S1: Seconds for discussion. Diane says yes. 00:45:27,429 S3: Deirdre. 00:45:27,829 S4: Yes, Gary? Yes. 00:45:30,000 S5: Then yes. 00:45:31,230 S1: Or nothing. Another unanimous vote. I would also entertain a motion, um, that the Select Board recommend moving from an elected board of assessors to an appointed board of assessors, or article 16. 00:45:46,030 S3: Moved. 00:45:47,099 S4: Zero seconds. 00:45:50,000 S1: Any more discussion? Steve, you jumping the gun? 00:45:53,170 S2: Sorry. 00:45:53,929 S1: Look at you. 00:45:55,500 S2: Uh, so quick,. 00:45:57,170 S1: I know Diane reluctantly says yes to that one. 00:46:03,130 S4: Gary. Yes. 00:46:05,929 S5: Ben. Yes. 00:46:08,099 S3: Yes. 00:46:09,070 S4: Perfect. And, Steve, you're putting in 401. 00:46:12,030 S3: Yeah, that's. 00:46:12,670 S4: What should be 400. Right. Third one is abstention rather than absent. 00:46:18,130 S3: Yeah. Right. 00:46:19,230 S2: Okay. 00:46:24,500 S8: Excuse me. 00:46:34,230 S1: Article 17. Septic loan program. 00:46:39,530 S1: Um, we have also spoken about this as well. I would entertain a motion that the Select board would recommend the community Septic Loan program or article 17. 00:46:51,670 S5: Then moved. 00:46:53,070 S4: Jerry seconds. 00:46:55,800 S1: And we can vote, I believe. No discussion. Diane says yes. 00:47:00,369 S3: Deirdre. Yes. 00:47:01,400 S4: Gary. Yes. 00:47:02,869 S5: Yes. 00:47:04,070 S1: Perfect for for nothing on that one. Article 18. I'm going to throw it to Ben to see if he has any changes or. 00:47:13,699 S5: Sure. Um. Thank you. We, the planning board met last week, and I attended that meeting, and, uh, it was very useful in getting some feedback from planning board members. And the upshot of that was that we did make a few wordsmithing changes. And then the one substantive change I believe it's really the only substantive change from the earlier draft is, um, Dan Pasteurella suggested that there be a fifth exemption covering yard waste brush and compost, which I think makes a lot of sense. And so that's now exemption number four of five. Um, we put it in there. Um, in that particular sequence. But the rest of this is substantively the same as, um, the last version. 00:48:17,170 S1: So again then then at the title, I would just like to recommend that we say amend the junk zoning bylaws. 00:48:25,630 S5: Yeah I think. Or just, um, maybe. Yes. Right. Yeah. Amendment. 00:48:37,269 S5: Um. 00:48:38,599 S2: Junkyard zoning bylaw. 00:48:42,269 S5: I don't want to call it a junkyard because people are getting confused with, um, with the definition of junkyard, which is sort of different than this. Both are related. So, um, How about I think it should say, um, amend. What did we do in the upper one? We said new bylaw hyphen. 00:49:00,670 S1: Yes. 00:49:01,400 S2: Yes. 00:49:02,530 S5: Maybe we could say, um, amend zoning bylaw capital Z men's zoning bylaw hyphen, um, storage of junk outdoor storage. 00:49:20,599 S5: We actually might as well. It's going to be called outdoor storage or stockpiling of junk. That's going to be the name of the section if it passes. So outdoor storage or stockpiling of junk. 00:49:35,269 S1: Perfect. 00:49:36,230 S8: Yeah. 00:49:37,599 S1: At some point this happens everywhere though we have bylaw written so many different ways right. 00:49:43,800 S5: Hyphens. No hyphens. 00:49:45,000 S1: Yeah yeah yeah. But. 00:49:49,670 S5: Yeah. As long as we're consistent, which maybe we're not I can see in the text of this itself that we're not. So I guess that can be a a final find. Search and find edit type thing. 00:50:05,429 S1: I think all of our bylaws are like that though. Unfortunately, we need to clean that up. It doesn't look like Gary did that, but it's a nice picture. 00:50:14,099 S4: No. Hey, nice. Nice new diagram. 00:50:16,869 S2: Especially. 00:50:17,400 S4: I got it. 00:50:18,469 S5: Gary got it started. And then who was this? Michelle. Did you. 00:50:21,000 S2: Say? Michelle? Yeah. Michelle digitized it. 00:50:24,000 S5: Nice job. Michelle. Um. So vote needed. Um, I'm obviously Lauren should confirm it, but I'm pretty confident that that this is going to require two thirds approval threshold. 00:50:38,369 S1: I would agree as well. 00:50:39,829 S8: Okay. 00:50:41,329 S5: Because that's always been the rule for zoning amendments. Um, there though, under the state statute that it's the same statute that, um, That, um, an act of embittered communities makes certain types of zoning bylaws now just a majority vote, like having to do with certain open space and affordable housing changes. But this this would not be one that would be in the simple majority category. 00:51:11,300 S1: Well, it's definitely a two thirds. 00:51:13,599 S8: Yeah. 00:51:14,699 S1: Um. 00:51:18,699 S1: I would I would defer to you, Ben. On on a motion. 00:51:23,599 S5: Um, I'll move that. The select board recommend passage of. 00:51:30,730 S5: What is called right now article 18, um, amending the zoning bylaw to add an outdoor storage or stockpiling of junk provision. 00:51:39,929 S4: Jerry, seconds. 00:51:41,869 S1: Any more discussion on that? Diane. Votes. Yes. 00:51:46,530 S3: Yes. 00:51:47,570 S4: Jerry. Yes. 00:51:49,000 S5: Then? Yes. 00:51:50,329 S4: Did the Planning board take a vote there? 00:51:52,800 S5: They did. Yeah. They voted unanimously. 5 to 0 for it. 00:52:00,269 S1: Wonderful. Great. Looks like we're on article 19. Adoption of credible service regulation. 00:52:11,530 S1: Um. 00:52:12,500 S2: It's just an update on this before discussion. 00:52:15,869 S1: Thank you. 00:52:17,099 S2: So, Hamilton looks like they're going to put it on their warrant. Um, you know, they don't really don't know much of any more than us. I think their rationale was that, you know, if there is a financial impact, it may be relatively small. They don't have a lot of. I don't believe they have a lot of call firefighters anymore. They've kind of gone more towards a full time model both with police and fire. Uh, you know, so that that may be true. however. You know, it's just important to note that. Yeah. 00:52:54,630 S9: Excuse me. Um, is Peter there to let in now? 00:53:02,170 S9: He's asking to be let in. 00:53:03,469 S2: There we go. 00:53:07,429 S2: There it is. 00:53:09,230 S1: Thank you. Michel. 00:53:10,500 S9: Thank you. Thanks. 00:53:12,730 S1: Steve. You were saying, however, and in one of them, it's not the same situation. 00:53:16,030 S2: Well, I mean, we have more call firefighters. You know, I just think that, you know, on one hand, if they qualify for the service, I feel like, you know, you should be able to buy the service back regardless of who the liability falls on. Uh, if you did provide the service. But there is a lot of unknowns here in that, you know, this this section here where it says the board that would that's not the select board, it's the retirement board. And this crediting of service is a totally new calculation, even by the admission of the, um, uh, Chuck Castro of the Essex, uh, retirement. He, you know, he's like he's unsure how the board is going to interpret that. It's their regulation. They passed it, but they haven't had to actually calculate one out. So we don't know. You know, is it going to be, you know a windfall. Is it going to be similar to what it was before. You know we don't know. So there's just some some unknown. So if the question was to come up, you know, how much is this going to cost or you know, what are the estimates. You know, it's really we just don't know any anything would be a guess. We have no idea what the supporting documents are going to be. Um, it's just totally new. So that's, you know, that's really my only hesitation in discussion with the board. I just can't answer any questions as to, you know, how it's going to play out. 00:54:40,300 S1: And so if I read further on what you said two paragraphs down, the responsibility for any of this will be assessed to the municipality of the. 00:54:51,070 S2: That's correct. 00:54:51,699 S1: So any so it's it's it's all on the town to pay that out. 00:54:56,570 S2: Right. So it's not the risk is not if you you know, the risk is not redistributed through the all the participants in Essex County like a, you know, a new uh, new employee would be like the new employee would be, you know, it would could change your percentage, uh, in the, in the risk pool, but not, you know, not necessarily. It's not all the liability gets put on the community. It's it's distributed. And in this case the all the liability that, you know, that calculate a separate assessment that, uh, would encompass the entire cost of the pension, you know, both both in the liability sense. So what the future cost could be and in retirement. 00:55:46,900 S2: So I put it here. You know, it's not uncommon to have recommendation made at town meeting floor. I kind of set it up that way. The board wanted to include it in the warrant. We could include it so they could bring it before the taxpayers. Since the request was made. And, you know, we could continue to talk with Hamilton. Topsfield is in the very early stages. They were also approached by one of their firefighters, and they've just started discussions on it, but they don't know if it's going to gain any traction or not for their warrant, their meetings a little bit later than ours. But just kind of, you know, Joe and Kevin is the town manager in Topsfield and myself and kind of stay connected over the next month. And, you know, if anything comes up, we can obviously notify the board. Any more information comes to light. 00:56:39,769 S1: So that that's an option and we can wait and make a recommendation at the either then. Well, I guess not. The next meeting would be at town meeting. I personally think that, um, it concerns me a little bit just listening to you explain it and reading the commentary because it just so, um, vague. We have no idea of the cost of what it could be. So that's I just feel as if, um, if we had more time if if our fin com had more time to, to look and make up some estimates. And so you had some idea that would be my those are my concerns with that. 00:57:22,199 S1: Anybody have anything else. Because I think we need to decide if we're going to put it on the warrant or keep it, keep it on the warrant or take it off the warrant. And then we have to decide on our recommendation by town meeting. 00:57:39,199 S1: Gary. 00:57:40,469 S4: So, Steve, this really is going to apply to a very small group, right? Only those that do the five year buy and then continue for a period of time as Cal firefighters and then continue as a full time or with the same municipality. Is that correct? 00:58:02,000 S2: That's correct. So as far as I know, we're looking at right now off the, you know, from from the dig in, we've done a little bit of digging. We've done you're looking at, I believe three firefighters. And this also applies to police as well. Um, three, five but three firefighters and um, 2 or 3 police officers. 00:58:30,099 S5: We think we'll have more guidance on this from Chuck Castro or others. 00:58:35,570 S2: Yeah. I mean, I think the guidance is going to come out by way of them actually calculating a few of them out and then figuring out how they're going to actually, you know, come up with an allocation or a separate assessment, you know, like how much how are they going to quantify the future cost of the liability? How are they going to quantify it in retirement? Um, you know, and then what are the supporting documents? They're going to be required of the participant to buy the time. So like, how are they going to prove how many calls they went to in any given month? You know, particularly when you're talking records that can be 20 or 30 or more years old in some instances. Uh, so really, you know, we don't we just we don't really know any of that. So it could be that they're very lenient. Uh, and it results in a decent amount of time bought. And then how are they, you know, how are they going to calculate that as far as a liability on the town's, uh, perspective? So I think really though. 00:59:41,530 S2: It's just going to be time. As communities adopt this. And folks by the time back and we kind of see you know what the board how the board interprets this, the board being the retirement board and then how they're going, you know, then the cost implications in that, then you can start coming up with the pro forma. It's like, well, here's an individual who, you know, bought 4 or 5 years. Here's his salary, you know, so roughly this is how this is how the board is looking at it. And this is how the board's put in quantifying the liability that's going to be assessed to the community. And then you can come up with, you know, more firm numbers based on, you know, who you have. That could be, um, uh, affected by this. But like, how many how many employees you have average salaries, uh, age, how much time they have left, uh, to be paying into the system, things like that. 01:00:41,929 S5: The town. If the town weren't to take action on this. Now for the Spring Town meeting. It wouldn't prevent the town from doing so for the Fall Town meeting. We have a benefit, maybe have the benefit of some of that guidance. Is that true or. 01:01:00,929 S2: Yeah. I mean, to the extent that somebody tries to buy time between now and then. Right. That's the that's the key piece. Somebody has to try the new regulation. So by somebody meaning you know another community has to adopt it. So that means we would need Hamilton and Top. Let's just say hypothetically Hamilton and Topsfield both adopted it in the spring and then between the spring and next fall would have to have individuals in those two communities. Employees purchase years of service through Essex County retirement. So it's not just that they're, um, you know, they can purchase service. They have to actually purchase the service. And then from there we can see, you know, because that will actually be that will actually force the retirement board to calculate, um, essentially how much they can buy back. 01:01:58,170 S2: I guess it's a long way of saying maybe depending on what happens. 01:02:02,570 S1: It's just it's so it's so. 01:02:07,599 S1: I don't know, it doesn't seem definite either way. So I don't know. 01:02:13,400 S8: I. 01:02:13,570 S2: Don't know, you know, again, no one's at the core of it. It's like, you know, they earn the time. Then you should be able to buy by the time back. 01:02:24,630 S2: When they were able to buy it back up until 2023, when the interpretation of the law changed to be more in line with the rest of the state. 01:02:36,969 S2: Then they came up with this regulation as a way to allow the continuance of buying more than five years. But the liability will be and this is how we're going to calculate it, because that was another issue they had. So this is how we're going to calculate it. And the liability that's associated with it will be passed directly to the community. 01:02:57,030 S1: All right. Wants to talk about it. 01:03:03,400 S1: I guess our first decision is is whether we want to keep it in the Warren. Is that right, Steve? 01:03:09,070 S2: Yeah. I think if if. Right. Yeah, I think that's that's a good point is if if you don't want it in the warrant, then there's no sense, you know, we can talk about it at a different date or you can talk about it now, but it's like, you know, we can Google it and move on. Or if you want in the warrant, then, you know, I guess then you can also move on and talk about it later in the month. And again, because I think the the best way to go at this point, unless you're ready to make a recommendation is to recommend on town meeting floor. 01:03:39,269 S1: So I'll take a stab and, um, move that. We remove this article from the warrant by the annual Town meeting warrant in 2024, due to the lack of information. 01:04:00,469 S5: Second, that. 01:04:04,769 S1: Any further discussion? 01:04:09,400 S3: The idea being that we would potentially bring it back in the fall. Special. If there's a special. 01:04:16,199 S1: I would, I would I'm I'm not opposed personally to the to the whole concept of it. I just would feel uncomfortable throwing that at the residents, at the voters without any definite information. So I would certainly entertain bringing it back or recommend bringing it back. Gary. 01:04:35,570 S4: Yeah, it would seem that, uh, although it applies to a small group. It'd be hard to answer questions on Tom eating floor as we really don't have the information. So maybe we'll just let, uh, Hamilton take the lead on this and let them play it out and then come back in the fall. 01:04:55,800 S1: So it's not just Hamilton and Topsfield. There are other communities that also have call firefighters and reserve police officers. I would think so. 01:05:06,369 S2: Yeah, I did. I sent out a, um, an email that suggested by the board a couple of meetings ago to probably a dozen, maybe 14, 15 smallish North Shore communities, most of which surround us in. Um, 01:05:24,329 S2: no. Nobody except for Hamilton and Topsfield are are entertaining it at this point. 01:05:31,929 S8: Yeah. 01:05:33,730 S1: I mean, it makes sense. It's hard to bring it to the floor and be not be able to give any answers. If anyone ask questions, you know any further discussion on that. So I will vote to remove I will vote yes on my motion. 01:05:53,699 S10: Peters votes yes as well. 01:06:00,730 S4: Gary. Yes. 01:06:04,500 S5: Then yes. 01:06:10,730 S3: I did vote Deirdre. Yes. 01:06:12,929 S1: Deirdre. Yes. Okay. Maybe I should just call people's names. It would be easier. Yeah. So that's 5 to 0 that we voted to take that out. Um, we should probably also make note that Pete Clay joined our meeting. I'm going to say like 15 minutes ago. 745. Just so we have that in the minutes. Thank you. All right. So then. 01:06:38,570 S1: The ban of single use plastics becomes article 19. And I will throw this to you. Deirdre did a nice job on that commentary. 01:06:47,869 S3: Thank you. 01:06:50,929 S3: Um, I it I think it looks good. Unless anybody has any comments. 01:06:58,730 S1: I do. Doesn't sound like that. Would you like to throw the motion out? 01:07:04,730 S3: Sure. I move that we recommend article 19 on, uh, restricting, uh, on the plastic bag band. 01:07:14,599 S10: Five seconds. 01:07:16,929 S1: Five seconds. Any more discussion? Diane. Votes. Yes. Ben. 01:07:22,800 S8: Yes. 01:07:23,570 S1: Deirdre. 01:07:24,400 S3: Yes. 01:07:25,170 S1: Gary. Yes, Pete. 01:07:27,500 S8: P. Yes. 01:07:28,900 S1: Five zero unanimous vote to get that to recommend that. Thank you very much. On to article 20. The resolution to change the state flag and seal. 01:07:43,900 S1: Um. 01:07:46,769 S2: I added this little commentary here. 01:07:50,130 S8: Oh. 01:07:52,869 S1: Can you guys read that? See, everybody's good in. 01:08:03,500 S1: 2021. 01:08:09,699 S1: Well. Thank you. 01:08:11,929 S4: Need to capitalize legislature. 01:08:16,500 S4: Next to last line or there? Next to last line. 01:08:30,300 S2: We got this right off of. So you don't think I wrote? I dreamed it up, but I got it right off of the flyer that Sam was circulating with the Human Rights Committee. 01:08:44,899 S1: I was going to give you all that credit. 01:08:46,729 S2: Yeah. No, I don't want to take any. 01:08:48,130 S8: Credit. 01:08:50,100 S2: Unless you really like it. Then I'll take. 01:08:51,729 S8: It. Um. 01:08:53,630 S1: I move that the select board recommend article 20 to change the state flag and seal at town meeting 20 2421. 01:09:07,699 S1: But it's actually article 20. 01:09:08,930 S2: I think I was reading Umberto. Oh, no, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. 01:09:14,670 S8: I got it. 01:09:16,470 S5: I think that, um. 01:09:18,329 S10: Plays seconds, by the way. 01:09:20,270 S1: It's been seconded. Any other discussion on the resolution, Diane. 01:09:25,069 S5: I have a comment about the commentary. 01:09:27,399 S8: Go ahead. 01:09:27,899 S5: Sorry, I have a comment. I mean, I, I support this, but I don't know that the last few sentences of the commentary are appropriate because it's basically telling people how to vote. Or maybe too much advocacy for a town meeting where an article, in my opinion. 01:09:49,029 S4: Yeah, I'll just leave it at. It's up to the legislature to take action. 01:09:57,600 S1: You can say, um. 01:10:00,800 S2: I guess. Yeah. I mean, that's fair. On your recommendation to them. 01:10:03,899 S8: Yeah. Yes. Okay. 01:10:06,100 S1: Good call then. Any other discussion? I jumped the gun on that. Diane votes. Yes. Deirdre. Yes, Ben? 01:10:14,630 S8: Yes. 01:10:15,500 S4: Yes yes. 01:10:18,229 S10: Yes. 01:10:19,800 S1: Look at that. It's already recommended. Five zero. Amazing. So now we're on article 21. 01:10:29,430 S1: Which is, um. Would be titled amend. 01:10:33,369 S2: Yeah. So this. 01:10:34,899 S8: Uh. 01:10:36,970 S2: Just before we get started, um. 01:10:38,770 S8: I see you. 01:10:39,829 S2: So. Pat. Well, so, I mean, Michelle Bailey brought it forward to the board that, you know, she was concerned until the board kind of opted to take the lead and be like, you know, we don't need a citizen's petition. We'll just add it to the warrant and revote it anyways. Right. So, uh, Pat, who was the also the so was the the two motions, the motion and the motion to amend or by Michelle was by, I think Pat Waddell motion the First Amendment. And Michelle Bailey amended it and then Pat Waddell agreed or added another twist in uh so he he is against Reeves. I just feel like, you know, you should know he he's against revisiting it. He feels like it should go through the clerk's office. Um, right, so I see. He didn't say this, but I see kind of both sides. I think, you know, if it goes through, this might be a little bit cleaner, but then you also are running the risk of something that passed that last town meeting that, you know, maybe won't pass this town meeting. And I don't think it's a large risk, but that that is a liability. There something that is already passed and then kind of didn't pass because of a Scribner's error. 01:11:56,199 S1: Deirdre, did you have your hand up? 01:11:58,529 S3: Yeah. Well, one thing I have to leave is, um. I have to pick my daughter up, and she's outside alone, um, in Hamilton, so I gotta go. But one comment I made on this was just to make sure if we keep it in here, to make sure the commentary states actually what we're doing, that it was voted last year, and this is a procedural vote, but, you know, there is still a possibility it won't be voted, I guess. 01:12:28,100 S1: Good point. I think it would be. And that's a I like the cleaner way to go. And I would rather have it on the town meeting this year and just get it done nice and neat. The Attorney General, etc. etc. but in the commentary it should be the explanation that this was passed last year in a little bit of confusion and just want to make sure that it's set that way. So well stated. We'll take that under under consideration. And wow. And um, I hope your daughter is okay. 01:12:58,970 S3: Thanks. I have to excuse myself. 01:13:02,600 S1: Um, so. 01:13:08,430 S1: I guess the first thing we should discuss then is if we want to put this in. So if we want to keep this in the warrant for 2024. Um, personally, I would say yes, Ben. 01:13:24,170 S5: I think we should. And I think it. I think the commentary should be, as both you and Deirdre were just saying, just with a little bit of background, that it's a procedural fix from last year. 01:13:39,329 S1: Thank you. I personally was. Um. Gary. Go ahead. 01:13:44,500 S4: No, go ahead first. 01:13:46,069 S1: Well, so I was at the town meeting and also on the board last year, and and I don't know how that vote went very well. So last at the last meeting. So I that's why I. This makes perfect sense. It seems very clear, very easy to understand. I don't think anyone's going to have a problem with that. 01:14:03,569 S4: Gary I agree with that. I would also put in the commentary, uh, as to when this takes effect, given this route that we're going. 01:14:14,069 S8: Oh yeah. 01:14:16,500 S1: When would it take effect? 01:14:20,170 S4: Does the Attorney General have to have another swipe at it, or is it? 01:14:22,869 S2: Yeah. Well, I would think that a new, you know, a kind of a band. I think that what stands now is what the attorney general. So it's at any at large members have a ten year term limit. And the other, um, you know, a board and committee members elected to members don't when it's supposed to be any member has a ten year. So right now, as it stands, it's just the at large members have ten year. And this would have to go through. Right. Just like how the last one did would have to go through with the submit it to the attorney General's office. 01:15:02,869 S4: I just think that the commentary ought to include the path to finality on this one. So I agree. Let's put it on in the let's get it done. 01:15:13,869 S8: Okay. 01:15:16,329 S1: So it's already in the warrant, so we don't have to take a vote to take it off the warrant. Is that right? 01:15:23,699 S2: No. So I think at the end of the at the end of this night, I think the board should vote to open the warrant and then read through a motion to set the warrant as follows. Just read through the title of each article, we'll scroll through it and then vote to close the warrant. And then that way there's no. 01:15:46,300 S8: Okay. 01:15:47,329 S1: So article 21 should have a title. And I think it would be amend uh by law hyphen uh CPC or Community Preservation Committee. 01:15:59,300 S2: CPC term limits. 01:16:01,869 S8: Yeah. 01:16:07,500 S1: And I would make a motion that the Select board recommend favorable action on This by this article. 01:16:17,869 S4: Jerry. Seconds. 01:16:21,569 S1: Oh, sorry. Any further discussion? Diane. Votes. Yes. Ben. 01:16:27,170 S8: Yes. 01:16:28,529 S1: Gary. 01:16:29,500 S4: Yes. 01:16:31,300 S10: Yes. 01:16:32,569 S1: So that's A40 vote. Thank you very much. Moving on then. It would be article 22 would be the election of officers. And I think they're up to date. 01:16:45,130 S1: So, um, I don't think we recommend that. Then the ballot questions and there's only one. Right. 01:16:54,000 S8: Yep. 01:16:56,529 S2: And the one other thing that, uh, Jeff, Jeff Calder, um, sent to Jeff Seward and I, and I thought it was a good idea is to include a glossary of terms at the end of the warrant as a glossary on the DLS website. That's pretty good. So it's just it's like three pages long, but it defines like what the general fund is, what Hope trust fund is, what free cash is, what you know, all kind of like the municipal finance jargon override exclusion, like all the terms that are kind of thrown around that, you know, the general person picking it up probably would have no idea. I know I wouldn't if I didn't do this for a living. 01:17:42,970 S8: Right. 01:17:43,300 S1: So and all the the words in the glossary, we use them the same way as they describe that they define them, you know, because every municipality calls things differently. 01:17:52,069 S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all it's pretty much all finance terms and it's all, you know, finance master and a lot of finance law you know. Yeah. 01:18:03,170 S1: Awesome. I think that's a great idea. But you still have two ballot questions. Right. But we're taking. 01:18:09,029 S2: Yeah. We're gonna delete. That's a yeah. 01:18:10,899 S1: We're gonna go do that. 01:18:11,630 S2: Now I can delete it now. 01:18:12,829 S8: Yeah. Okay. 01:18:14,600 S1: So I move that we open the warrant for the annual town meeting 2020 four seconds. It's seconded. Twice. That's great. Um. Diane. Votes. Yes. Ben. 01:18:25,970 S8: Yes. 01:18:27,029 S1: Gary. 01:18:27,899 S4: Yes. 01:18:28,770 S8: Pete. 01:18:29,470 S10: Yes. 01:18:32,069 S2: And while you're open, you got to recommend this one last. This master plan. 01:18:38,100 S8: Okay. 01:18:40,300 S1: All right. We missed that one. All right, so it's open. So we'll go through each one. Um. 01:18:49,699 S10: And you want me to do it? 01:18:53,229 S1: Yeah. Do you want to just go through the article and then the title? 01:18:56,029 S8: Yeah. I'll do. 01:18:58,630 S1: It. I'll do the recommendation at article one, and then you will continue. Yeah. 01:19:03,000 S10: Article one. Status of master plan. Planning board report. Article two increased veteran and senior tax work off abatement from $5500 to $2000. Article three annual operating budget appropriation. Town and schools article for use of free cash and other available funds to fund fiscal year 2025 capital Improvement Program. Article five Funding of Stabilization Fund. 01:19:36,199 S10: Article six funding of OHP Trust Fund. 01:19:42,100 S10: Article seven prior year bills. Article eight Cemetery and other trust funds. Article nine and cemetery. Sale of lots. Transfer. Article ten transfer from water operating budget to water capital reserve fund. Article 11 roadwork. Chapter 90 funding. Article 12 water software purchase. Article 13 CPA Reservations and Appropriations. Article 14 new bylaw. Organization and succession of board. Commission, counsel and Committee officers. Article 15 to remove from elected Board of Health to appointed Board of Health. Article 16 to remove from elected board of Assessors to appointed Board of Assessors. Article 17 community septic loan program. Article 18 amending zoning bylaw. Outdoor storage or stockpiling of junk. 01:20:47,600 S2: Article with removing this. 01:20:53,729 S1: We'll take that out. 01:20:55,100 S10: Article 19 ban single use plastic bags. Article 20 resolution. Change the state flag and seal. Article 21 amend bylaw CPC term limits, article 22 election of officers. 01:21:15,670 S2: That's it. 01:21:18,329 S4: Gary. Seconds. 01:21:21,699 S1: Um. Any discussion? Diane says yes. 01:21:28,500 S5: Ben? Yes. 01:21:29,869 S1: Sorry. Gary. 01:21:31,500 S4: Jerry. Yes. 01:21:32,500 S8: Pete. Yes. 01:21:34,069 S1: Perfect. So I would now make a motion that the Select board approve or recommend the article one the status of the master plan planning board report. 01:21:47,069 S4: Jerry. Seconds. 01:21:51,000 S10: Yes. 01:21:52,170 S1: Ben. 01:21:53,000 S8: Yes. 01:21:54,069 S1: For enough for zero to recommend that to town meeting. Um. 01:22:02,869 S8: So. 01:22:04,500 S1: Do we take a vote to remove? Is that what we need to do? Gary. 01:22:08,399 S4: Do we need a vote for the consent agenda? 01:22:12,970 S2: Might as well take it. Just to be safe. I don't think you have the vote to remove anything just because you've. You kind of went through and listed the final warrant. 01:22:21,369 S8: Okay. Perfect. 01:22:23,000 S1: Gary, you want to make that motion? 01:22:25,470 S4: Uh, so is it. I don't have the numbers in front of me. Is it? 01:22:30,470 S1: Seven. 11. 01:22:31,600 S4: Okay, I move that we establish a consent agenda for articles seven through 11, inclusive. 01:22:38,569 S1: Second. Any discussion? Uh, Danny votes yes. Pete. 01:22:45,729 S8: Yes, Gary. 01:22:47,930 S4: Yes. 01:22:48,970 S1: Ben. 01:22:49,800 S8: Yes! 01:22:51,470 S1: That's everyone. Four yeses. Okay, I move to close. Oh, wait a minute. Are we good to close, Ben? 01:23:01,569 S5: Sorry, I just the the article that, um, regarding the board of Health, I think it was just like a capitalization issue. Um. 01:23:16,369 S5: That's further. It's I think it's further up. It's the elected to appointed. 01:23:24,470 S5: Yeah, I think elected should be should be capitalized. And that's how we did it for article 16 as well. 01:23:31,699 S8: Yeah. 01:23:33,729 S1: Very good. 01:23:35,829 S10: Eagle eye. 01:23:39,029 S1: Um, anything else we need to do before we close it? 01:23:45,069 S1: I don't think so. So I move that the one, um, select board vote to close the April 6th, 2024 town meeting. Warren. 01:23:54,770 S4: Jerry. 01:23:55,130 S1: Seconds discussion. No. Diane says yes. Ben. 01:24:01,630 S5: Yes. 01:24:02,430 S1: Gary. 01:24:03,329 S4: Yes. 01:24:04,930 S8: Yes. Yes. 01:24:06,430 S1: Unanimous vote to close the warrant. And I do believe that brings us to the end of our meeting today. Anything you want to add, Steve? 01:24:14,470 S2: No. Just to apologize for the little hiccup, the earlier. And thanks for being with us. So we ironed it out. 01:24:24,369 S1: Issues happen. Not a problem. Anyone have anything else to bring up? If not, I'll just remind you all. If you haven't voted yet, tomorrow is the day to vote. One of them is open from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m., and I entertain a motion to adjourn. 01:24:41,069 S4: I move that we adjourn at eight. 6:15 p.m.. 01:24:45,529 S1: Second. All in favor? Diane. Yes, Ben. 01:24:50,369 S5: Ben. Yes. 01:24:51,369 S1: Gary. 01:24:52,229 S4: Yes. 01:24:53,000 S8: Pete. Yep. 01:24:54,569 S1: We are out of here. Thank you. 01:24:56,300 S8: Guys so. 01:24:56,729 S1: Much. Have a wonderful tomorrow. See you soon. 01:25:00,470 S8: Thanks, everybody. 01:25:01,529 S5: Bye.