00:02:56,870 S1: All right. Good evening everyone. It is 703 and I'll call the Select Board meeting for February 6th 26, 2024. To order. We're going to take a roll call, vote for attendance because we have one member joining us remotely. 00:03:16,430 Um, we'll start with, uh, Caroline, are you here? S2: Caroline, will you present? 00:03:18,070 S1: Perfect. I'll try to minimize the talking for you. Caroline. In the Bill Wilson present, uh, and Sean Farrell present. Uh, we have a handful of board and committee openings. We have a opening on the community preservation committee, two openings on the Conservation Commission to associate openings on the Council on Aging, one associate opening on the finance and advisory Committee. Uh, the historic district commission has a handful of openings, uh, two openings for a three year term, two openings for a two year term. Uh, and one of those must be a resident of the historic district, and the other one must be a resident realtor in town. One opening of the Human Rights Commission, one associate opening on the planning Board, and one associate opening on the Zoning Board of Appeals. Uh, and now is the time we have, uh, a moment for public comment. Uh, three minutes for topics not already on the agenda. If you're online joining us, raise your hand. If you're in person, come up to the podium and state your business. 00:04:24,000 S1: Here. Seeing nobody raising their hand or coming to the podium, we're going to move on to our consent agenda. Uh, and on it is approved request by Hamilton Windham youth Football to hang a banner on the tennis court fence at Patton Park and then approve a whole bunch of minutes for the select board meetings that are from January 17th, 2023. May 1st, 2023. June 20th, 2023. August 7th, 2023. September 9th, Ninth, 2023. September 18th, 2023. December 4th, 2023, December 18th, 2023 and December 19th, 2023. 00:05:01,800 S3: I move that we approve all the minutes for the dates just mentioned. 00:05:06,230 S4: Perfect and the Hamilton winning football request. 00:05:09,230 S3: How do I do that first? 00:05:10,430 S1: We do both the same. 00:05:11,700 S3: Okay, I may move that we, uh, approve the consent consent agenda. 00:05:15,670 S1: Perfect. Uh, Caroline. Say second. 00:05:18,500 S3: Second. 00:05:19,270 S1: Perfect. Uh, all those in favor will do a roll call. Bill. 00:05:24,070 S3: Bill Wilson, I. 00:05:25,170 S1: Sean Farrell, I Caroline. 00:05:26,900 S2: Caroline. Caroline Boyle, ui. 00:05:31,830 S2: Did you all hear me? 00:05:32,800 S1: We did, we did. 00:05:33,970 S3: I, mate? 00:05:36,200 S1: I did, yeah. Sean Farrell I yeah. 00:05:40,670 S1: Caroline I'm in a big a big thing. A chicken soup after this for participating. All right. Our agenda. 00:05:45,470 S2: My husband is making some right now. 00:05:47,370 S1: Oh, good. 00:05:50,670 S1: First up, we have approved presidential primary, election warrant and election detail. Discuss and vote with our town clerk, Corinne Cale. 00:06:00,170 S5: Good evening, Corinne Cale, town clerk. You have in your packet? Um, uh, from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, the warrant for the presidential preference primary that's taking place next Tuesday, March 5th. This is a routine document that gets signed every year and has to be posted in certain locations around town. I think this goes way back in history, before there were such things as any kind of internet or any probably even printed newspapers. But it's a tradition that remains, and we do have to have that signed. So you don't need a vote or anything and just need to get all the signatures on that. The item that you do need a vote on, please, is this will end up being an annual request for me is to delegate the responsibility for the assignment of police officers at polling places to the select from the Select Board to the Chief of Police. Historically, it's always been the Chief of Police. Police who works with the town clerk to determine who will be assigned. But the Votes Act of 2022, for some reason gave it back, gave it to the Select board. And I know in 2022 I worked with town council, as it did many other communities, and it was determined that this absolutely can be delegated back to the chief of police. And I've spoken to Chief Stevens, and he has a copy of the letter that's in front of you to indeed delegate that back. So we do need the language of the motion read in. Okay. And the vote for the record, please. 00:07:28,970 S1: All right. You want to make that motion? 00:07:31,230 S3: Yeah, sure. Um, so I move that the select board delegate the authority given to them in chapter 54, section 32, 72, 72, to detail a sufficient number of police officers or Constable's for each building that contains the polling places for one or more precincts, to preserve order and to protect the elections officers and supervisors from any interference with their duties, and to and to aid in enforcing the laws relating to all elections, including early voting to the police chief to the Chief of Police for 2024 elections. 00:08:09,500 S2: Second. 00:08:10,600 S1: Awesome. Caroline. Uh. 00:08:15,230 Any discussion? S3: So I'm just curious, you know, is this. You know, we couldn't just. The police chief can't just assign officers to the detail that. 00:08:24,370 S5: It's the way. 00:08:24,970 S3: It's spread. 00:08:25,770 S5: Forever. 00:08:26,400 S3: So this is a vote of thanks. 00:08:28,000 S5: Um, gave it back over to selectmen. I honestly do not have any Intel. Um, you know, it would all be hearsay. It just was one of those things that came into the. It came through in the law and, um, quite honestly, made no sense. So. But we, you know, it's the law. We have to be you guys to handle the scheduling of detail officers, which seems, as I said, it had always worked before to let the chief take the lead on that. And so that's all we're doing, is restoring it to the perfect way. Makes sense. Excellent question. 00:09:02,730 S3: To it. I just if he doesn't give a sufficient number let us know. 00:09:06,570 S6: Oh there we go. Yeah. No they I, I actually I'll, I'll. 00:09:11,730 S5: Use that as an opportunity to say I can't thank them enough. They've always been tremendously. 00:09:16,570 S6: Just. 00:09:16,930 S3: Never sent. 00:09:17,630 S5: You know some emails back and forth today tremendously responsive as they are in so many other incidents and things in the community. So I'm I'm very, very fortunate to be able to rely on them. 00:09:27,370 S3: Well, thank you for all your organization and thank you. Thank you. Keeping us compliant. 00:09:32,270 S5: Yeah. 00:09:32,570 S6: Trying to. 00:09:33,330 S1: All right. So we'll. 00:09:34,330 S5: Thank. 00:09:34,570 S6: You. 00:09:34,900 S1: Thank you Karen. So we'll move to the vote. Uh, Bill. 00:09:38,670 S3: Bill Wilson. Yes. 00:09:40,070 S1: Uh, Sean Farrell. Yes. Caroline. 00:09:42,530 S2: Caroline, what are you. Yes. 00:09:44,230 S1: Uh, okay. Thank you. Karen. Uh, and then we have review and offer by Everest Wireless for a one time lump sum payout for cell tower lease at 577 Bay road. Uh, in our packets. I can't remember what page it is, but there's a handful of correspondence, and there's a new number in there, and I think Bill Wilson, you. Have you seen all this already? And you had some part of the discussion? It seems like it's about ten grand more or something like that. 00:10:10,400 S4: $50,000 more and more for 32 to 46. 00:10:14,570 S3: Yeah. So I did talk to Chris Davies today. This is, uh. 00:10:17,370 S1: We did okay. 00:10:17,800 S3: Good third party. Who code calls on accounts for them. He looked it all up, um, and, uh, said we have room. We should, uh, you should call him back, Joe. And, you know, let him know. Throw that. Throw his name out that we've spoken. And let him know, too, that we have someone on the board that's familiar in works in the industry. Yeah. And see what they come back with. But he's going to keep an eye on it. He also had a couple of questions on logistics. It's good we have attorneys here. Does something like this need? Um, need to go to an RFP process. If we're selling the rights to a lease, or he even thought, might it have to go to a vote at town hall, which I don't think would just reassigning a lease, basically of a tower, but I think he might have a point on an RFP process. I just think we should make sure about that, because there are companies that absolutely do this and you send it out, you give the address, who's on it, what the lease looks like, and. 00:11:12,570 S1: They'll put bids on. 00:11:13,370 S3: It. They'll get bids. 00:11:15,670 S1: I mean, it's worth kind of looking into because if it does look like it, we got to go out to that process. They might want to offer us more. Something like that. 00:11:24,570 S3: Yeah. I think Chris will influence this number. I think you can see it go north. I do think as a, you know, as a town and a board, it's a it sounds like a lot of money, but it pales to the annuity in revenue. we're going to get over the years, and especially if we put other carriers on there. There is another carrier that is on there. It's not live yet. 00:11:44,770 S4: I saw it tonight when I drove. 00:11:45,870 S3: Yeah. So they're going to come and turn that live. They had an issue with one of the products. But anyway that's not in this number right. So they need to add that. You asked all good questions I read your email, Joe. But if you know the annuity obviously if we budget as such and it's 27 going to 35,000 a month, I mean, if that's budgeted in there, we're getting use of it. If we need and have something specific, you know, maybe we want to consider it. But if it's a budget item, that's going to be what I did some quick math for you guys before, you know, and get north of, uh, you know, 800 million right? Over time, you know, it might be better to do that, but, you know, if we had something we needed it for, we'll just get it. 00:12:28,730 S1: For 800 million. 00:12:29,600 S6: But I'll say. 00:12:30,900 S1: It's probably correct. 00:12:31,700 S4: 800 million. I think it's 800,000. 00:12:35,970 S3: It's not AT&T. 00:12:37,430 S4: Rolls Royce is for everybody. Yeah. 00:12:40,400 S3: No, I, um, I deal with those extra commas in numbers all day. Sorry. Um, but, um, yeah, I think I would highly advise not to take the max. The revenue was 1.2 million I have now that I'm looking at my sheet. But over 20 years, and I don't know if it's a 20 year or 30 year. Usually they're 30 years, but it could be 20. 00:12:58,600 S1: I think it's. 00:12:59,000 S6: It's. 00:13:00,100 S3: I just went out. 00:13:00,770 S1: 20 years. What it is. 00:13:02,330 S3: So anyway, I think if you could send a note to that person and mention and say, hey, I had a chance to talk with Chris Davies, he seemed to, you know, he said to let you know that, you know, we do have someone on the board who is in the industry and both have spoken and said there's room for that in this number. And I want to make sure we include that second carrier. And to the extent there is a option for two more carriers, you know, how do they calculate that in if they did. Right. 00:13:27,670 S1: Yeah. I just I don't feel raising the the number that we thought was pretty baseline before $50,000 is enough to make us make a poor decision, in my mind, to take the payout, you know. 00:13:41,370 S4: But. 00:13:41,970 S3: You know, you're asking all the right questions that go back with that clarity. I'd get some clarification on an RFP process. Also, Tom Flora, I mean, the initial one had to go to town floor, but I don't think that would be accurate. But now that we're basically. 00:13:53,830 S1: If we were exercising another lease, we would is my guess. 00:13:58,430 Is that probably right? S3: We're basically reassigning a lease. Right. 00:14:02,070 S7: So I'd have to look into it, at least for my office. Had been working with Joe on this matter. 00:14:06,700 S6: Okay. 00:14:07,970 S1: All right. 00:14:08,370 S3: So as long as they can't change the purpose of the lease and I mean, and stop us from having access to areas. Right. Because technically, it's a third party. We don't know. 00:14:18,470 S1: Right. Right. 00:14:20,270 S4: Well, we wouldn't even even if you were okay with the number there, we'd have council review the whole contract before we would. Yeah. So. 00:14:27,430 S1: Right. 00:14:28,170 S6: Yep. 00:14:29,400 S1: All right. So I don't I don't think we need to vote on anything tonight other than just keep on keeping on with the questions and the next kind of steps with it. And let's go do some more math. 00:14:39,200 S3: And it's related. I did talk to Chris about a second location. Oh, good. He's been following town stuff I mean, right now. He said there hasn't been a lot of interest in the area right now. His worry, at least at the police station, has always been the setback because of the school he's heard there's talks about that area. He said that would open up a whole lot of things down the road for a tight if they they wouldn't have to squeeze it in a bad location because of setback requirements for a school. Um, just things to think about, not for for right now. But he seemed a little more interested in a second location. He is having a team do what's called the propagation map and relooking at that area. Good. 00:15:18,600 S1: Yeah, I think he told me he was doing that a little while ago, so I think he's. 00:15:21,130 S3: Yeah, he did. He told me to. He didn't. So yeah. 00:15:24,400 S1: He told me in August or something like that. And we're we're into February now. All right, uh, up next, review and confirm, uh, articles for annual town meeting warrant. Discuss articles for the warrant and vote to close the warrant. Uh, with town council, town moderator, finance advisory committee chair, and our finance director, uh, so on. I think at page. 00:15:48,830 S4: Finance director is not available today. 00:15:50,600 S1: So that's fine. Um, page 41. In our packets tonight is the articles. We have a handful of kind of boilerplate stuff. Uh, election of officers, the consent agenda, uh, budgets, compensation, classification table, community preservation, operating budget and grant requests. Uh, and we'll kind of dive into those a little bit, because there's one of those that's going to roll off of there. Uh, the FY 24 capital plan, uh, the stabilization fund, the capital stabilization Fund, OPG, the HTC, uh, and what do we call now the. 00:16:25,630 S4: The town center. 00:16:26,530 S1: Town center. 00:16:27,170 S4: Comprehensive. 00:16:27,770 S1: Plan. Comprehensive plan, uh, which on our packet says Winthrop School downtown zoning plan. Uh, and then we've talked about this a little bit, um, establishing a special revenue fund for the opioid settlement funds, uh, except MDL chapter 32, section four, uh, to be, uh, resolution asking the state legislature to change the Sealand flag, which we've talked about previously. Uh, transfer of funds from the Athletic field Stabilization Fund to be used to offset our debt exclusion assessment from the school district, uh, and then amend the town manager act to allow the select board of the negotiated contract of up to five years. Uh, and then we're taking off. But we have to vote on it. Um, actually, we don't, because we haven't closed it yet, but, uh, zoning articles, uh, the Brownsville Overlay district. So just to go back to the top kind of CPC articles. Um, there's a handful of them. I think a lot of them can go on, uh, consent. Um, there's a. 00:17:29,570 S3: Can. 00:17:30,930 I find the page? S1: Page 41 of the packet. At least in mine. 00:17:33,470 S3: It's not in mine. 00:17:34,530 S1: You're about two thirds the way down. 00:17:36,000 S3: All these minutes? Yeah. Is it a grid of some sort or. 00:17:40,330 S7: Just a word. 00:17:41,370 S3: Up? We're done. Okay, thanks. I'm on 44. 00:17:45,470 S1: Yeah. If you go back, if you run into the Everest stuff, you've gone too far. 00:17:49,270 S3: Oh, I assumed because you already spoke about that. I went past it. 00:17:52,170 S4: No, after the river stuff. 00:17:53,570 S1: It's after the other stuff. Yeah, just after the cell tower stuff. Um, but CPC has, um. 00:18:00,130 S4: Put it up on the screen. 00:18:01,470 S1: Yeah, that'd be great. Has a handful of transfers it in. Tom, you can help clarify, because we weren't sure at the CPC meeting earlier tonight that for the transfers. 00:18:17,600 Can they go on the consent agenda or do they have to be separate articles themselves for transfers? S7: Um, on the it depends really how they're worded. Um, so if generally speaking, that if a warrant article includes a specific funding source, specific dollar amount, and specific purpose for which the funds are being appropriated, then it's anything essentially that's going to be moved as printed in the warrant typically can go on the consent agenda. Generally speaking, we've also included articles that only require majority vote. So anything that requires a supermajority vote typically has not been included on the consent agenda. So for CPC appropriations, unless it involved a borrowing, um, any of those would just be your typical majority votes. So they could be as long as we've identified the specific dollar amount, as opposed to saying like a sum of money if it had the exact dollar amount in the funding. 00:19:09,230 S1: So it's mostly kind of internal transfers within our CPC budget. 00:19:13,130 S7: So on that, I know the way I kind of, I think we've structured it in the past has been um, typically we've included the CPC budget as an addendum, as in the appendix book. And so usually it has the specific transfers and then you know where the moneys are getting. For example in this case we're going to appropriate. I believe the amount was $11,000 to community housing, 11,000 to historic preservation, and then something else into the um. 00:19:42,700 S1: For admin. 00:19:43,470 S7: Admin costs. Right. That hasn't been determined yet. So typically those are identified in the I guess what I would call the a budget article, which is usually part of an appendix. Um, and that can just be moved as printed in the warrant. 00:19:55,330 S1: Okay. Perfect. 00:19:56,370 S7: And I think in the past, the budget article has also included, for example, some debt service for the Sagamore Hill project. And this year the town Hall debt service will be added as well. 00:20:07,930 S1: Right. So it looks like the first kind of five things in the CPC warrant articles could go in the consent. 00:20:15,470 S7: Right? Um, yeah. So that's how I kind of structured it. It's just a My rough draft. And then I had separate warrant articles for the appropriation to the Affordable Housing Trust, the appropriation for the antique fire apparatus, and for the housing production plan in the pocket park. 00:20:34,530 S6: Okay. 00:20:36,270 S1: Um, and so just for folks at home, if you're not looking at the packet, um, there's a handful of intern transfers that Tom was just talking about. Um, about $104,000 for debt service on Sagamore Hill. Um, and then to be determined at the moment, uh, the first and second year debt service for town hall bonds. And then we have three grants. Uh, 500,000 to the Affordable Housing Trust, 150,000 to construct a building to preserve the model T at the fire station, and $40,000 for the housing production plan to be updated. And then, uh, up until tonight, we had another grant, but they've pulled their application for it so we can pull that one off the 40,000 for the pocket park at um Bay Road and Railroad. 00:21:21,230 S3: So is that still a project and just other source of funds or. 00:21:25,100 S1: Other source of. 00:21:25,670 S3: Funds? 00:21:26,430 S1: Yeah. 00:21:29,200 S1: Um. 00:21:30,670 S4: So of those, all those could then the, the three separate articles in the main CPC budget article could all be put on the consent agenda and conceivably, conceivably. 00:21:41,670 S7: Yes. The only thing that we would want to make sure we got with respect to those at town meeting is just a recommendation from the CPC. Yeah, but otherwise, sure, they could be if they're non-controversial and we don't expect much debate on those, certainly they could be added. 00:21:58,570 S3: There's no intention for any presentation like around the model T preservation or something like that just from a community. I mean, it's a great thing they're doing. 00:22:07,600 S4: So I mean, one one way that we could approach is to have, you know, in the interest of trying to keep the moving, the meeting going, knowing that there's going to be some things that are going to be under debate. You can put it on the consent agenda. Somebody can ask to hold it if it gets held. We just make sure that the proponents of the project have a presentation that they're ready to share. If their project gets held. 00:22:26,270 S1: Gotcha. And we've done that before. You can kind of read the room a little bit and you can tell. Um, let's see, I guess if you if you, Caroline, if you feel like saying anything but Bill too, if you if you're looking at the list here, if there's something that sticks out to you that you want to discuss a little bit about what it is or what it's all about, we don't need to get into the nitty gritty about stuff tonight, because we're just closing the warrant, and next time we're going to do recommendations and kind of dive into some of it a little bit deeper. But if there's something tonight that you want to talk about or cover. 00:22:57,870 S3: So should we. For things like Sagamore Hill, I mean that's not new, right? I mean. 00:23:01,530 S1: No, we're. 00:23:02,230 S3: Just couple years on that versus like we did on, uh, town hall bonds. We said first and second year, should we say. 00:23:08,570 S4: I don't know. I don't know if you have the funds available to set aside this year for a second year at Sagamore. 00:23:14,270 S3: What if we sell a cell tower? 00:23:17,800 S6: Maybe. 00:23:18,470 S3: No, I'm just surprised. 00:23:19,730 S1: No. 00:23:20,000 S7: So for in the past, on the on the Sagamore Hill article, it's specifically in the CPC budget. It does reference that the bond will be paid in full in FY 2032. So at least you'd have a sense of when the bond is in depth. 00:23:35,270 S3: Okay. 00:23:36,130 S1: Yeah. And plus we're kind of I think at CPC we're at the ceiling of our, our bonding limit and payout limit. And right now we're, we're we're pretty much expunged a good portion of our funds. So even if we wanted to double that payment this year, I don't think we could. 00:23:50,770 S3: Well, I mean, just for next year in the future years. 00:23:53,130 S1: Oh, just so next year, maybe. 00:23:54,370 S6: We're trying to make two years something. 00:23:56,330 S3: It's approving it for multiple years because. 00:23:59,300 S1: I'm not a bad thought. Try to pay over the the premium right to lower it a little bit. 00:24:09,170 S1: Um, other things are fairly straightforward. FY 24 capital plan stabilization fund. Capital stabilization fund. OPEC. What's the OPEC number. The usual that we're putting in. 00:24:17,900 S4: Yeah 250,000. 00:24:21,430 S1: Is that right John. 00:24:24,600 S1: Is it 125. 00:24:25,700 S6: I was thinking. 00:24:27,300 S1: I think it's 125 150 I can't remember which, but it's it's our standard. 00:24:32,030 S4: It's the same I've been doing. I thought we were. 00:24:33,500 S1: Ten. 00:24:33,800 S6: 50 years. 125. Wow. Okay. Gave that to me. 00:24:37,570 S1: Okay. Uh, HTC is our usual whatever, 66, 50, 80, whatever it ends up being from receipts. Uh, and then the town center, zoning, zoning. 00:24:52,800 S4: Town center, comprehensive. 00:24:53,870 S1: Plan. Yeah. Comprehensive plan. 00:24:55,370 S4: 125. 00:24:56,230 S1: That's 120 that we're going to take from free cash. 00:24:59,570 S6: Free cash. 00:25:00,070 S1: Right? Right. 00:25:01,470 S4: Yeah. 00:25:02,030 S8: What about the transfer? Yeah, pipe in on that if you. 00:25:07,200 S1: Which transfer are you talking about. 00:25:08,870 S8: For the athletic Field Stabilization Fund. 00:25:12,830 S1: So that the next kind of one's down there. So let's let's get to that in a second. Let me just get the other one. That's okay. Um, we talked about the with the feds with the opioid settlement funds. We don't think we're gonna get that much, but we want to make sure that we have it separate. 00:25:30,830 S4: Well, it's so state law. Doar has come out and issued, you know, guidance on how to segregate those funds so that they can because they can only be used for very specific things. So they don't want the funds mingling in the general fund. So we've been holding them in the general fund off to the side. But uh, we're starting to follow the guidance, and we're asking for a special revenue fund so that the funds can come in and go right into that fund and then be expanded only for the purposes that are allowed under the terms of that, that settlement. So. 00:25:58,770 S7: So at the current time, there are funds that are in the general. 00:26:02,330 S6: Yeah. 00:26:02,530 S4: We got a small amount of money. I think it's less than $16,000 last year. All in, I don't think we're supposed to get much more to 60. More north of $65,000 total. And that's over ten years. 00:26:15,370 So it's not a big sum of money for us, right? S7: Okay, so the way I drafted the article, at least in draft form at this point, is to transfer funds from free from free cash, essentially, which is the equivalent of what you've received to date into the special revenue fund, which is what dollars is recommending. Right. As Joe indicated, the settlement that was negotiated has very specific guidelines in. 00:26:38,800 S6: Terms of. 00:26:39,170 S1: What you can and what. 00:26:39,800 S6: You get funds. 00:26:40,530 S7: For. So it makes sense to have those separated. 00:26:45,100 S1: All right. And then up next is the MDL chapter 32 section four. To be sure you want to explain that a little bit to folks that. 00:26:52,770 S4: So um kind of convoluted. So previously part time employees, for instance, call firefighters or reserve police officers who then subsequently get hired on as full time in their roles in their same town, are currently under the state law, are only eligible to accumulate up to five years of their part time service towards retirement. This offers them a path to accrue some additional time through a really, really convoluted and, uh. 00:27:25,300 S4: Formula. Um, and it is basically asking the town to allow us to allow our people that would fall under that category to be able to pursue that when it comes time for them to retire. Now, at the at the current moment, there's about four firefighters that it would potentially impact when it comes to their retirement. Um, there are I don't believe there are any police officers that would fall under this because the police officers that we have pulled up in the reserve spent far more time in on active duty than they have in the in the reserve. So there is some concern that, you know, kind of really depending on where we pull people from in the future to lately when we've hired new full time firefighters, we're hiring people that had been call firefighters previously. So this is something that could, in the long run, have a financial impact on the town. As of right now, with the staffing we have, it wouldn't. But, um, it was raised as a request by the chief to consider it, and we put it before the board. The board said, let's put it on to on the list of things to talk about. Uh, we there are a number of towns around us now. Essex County Retirement System only recently adopted the statute that they had to do on their end. So I think Newbury and one of the town are the only two towns that have so far adopted it. Um, but there are I've talked to a couple of my colleagues around and there went them in a couple of other towns are considering putting this on their warrant this year. Some are considering not putting it on their warrant this year. 00:29:01,270 S7: Right. And I can tell you, I've had similar requests from other communities in Central Mass as well related to the same thing. So basically, if you hire someone who is a call firefighter, for example, it allows them to essentially add some of that call time to the ultimately to the region. 00:29:18,670 S6: But they have to be a. 00:29:19,730 S4: Firefighter in their town that they get hired on to. 00:29:21,930 S6: A full time. 00:29:22,930 S7: Full time in your town. 00:29:24,970 Correct? S6: Yeah. 00:29:25,470 S3: And do they have to be full time for a period of time before. 00:29:28,370 S6: They need. 00:29:28,800 S4: To be a long time, long enough to be able to qualify for a pension. 00:29:31,800 S6: So how long is that? 00:29:33,270 S4: Ten years to. 00:29:33,930 S6: Get the system. 00:29:34,970 S3: So that'll shorten the full time requirement right. Like, do you have any sense of how much it would like could I. 00:29:40,130 S7: Now you can you can only buy back up. My understanding is that you can only buy back up to five years. 00:29:45,570 S6: Five years. Right. 00:29:46,400 S3: So you could go five years full time and. 00:29:47,870 S6: Then five years part. 00:29:49,000 S3: Of a part time. 00:29:49,670 S6: To do. 00:29:51,570 S3: So. And do we have how many part timers do you have that we have. 00:29:55,130 S4: Well we have so mostly called fire. It's mostly called force I think we have 26. 00:29:58,400 S6: Called 26 or. 00:29:59,470 S3: 27. And so they would have to be a full time, right. You can't just go in and say, okay, we're not going to change this in a couple of years to say. 00:30:06,170 S6: Well. 00:30:06,430 S4: The state retirement system doesn't allow you to give a retirement to a part time employee. So it's it's only for people who become full time employees and qualify in all the other areas, allows them to look back at their part time time. 00:30:19,200 S3: As they looked at this. Or is anyone kind of thought about the financial? I see it wouldn't be with four people, but it could be something that bumps on the books with 26 part timers. And I don't know how fast the the attrition happens, but it could. 00:30:32,430 S1: Yeah, it. 00:30:32,900 S6: Could add up. 00:30:35,300 S1: Hey, John, could you do me a favor and just grab one of those microphones since. 00:30:38,170 S6: You're sitting there? Yeah. 00:30:39,970 S8: It sounds de minimis to me, but we could I mean, I think we probably should have a financial impact in our pocket. 00:30:48,900 S6: Yeah. 00:30:49,200 S8: Or put it into the into the Warren article. But it doesn't it doesn't sound to me as though. 00:30:55,470 S6: It's. 00:30:55,800 S1: It's not going to swing us either way, I think. 00:30:57,600 S8: But that would be my guess without looking at the numbers. 00:31:00,330 S3: Yeah, yeah, that's my first thought too. I just. And we're not here to approve or not. We're just to leave it on. I think it's something we should look at. Yeah. Right. Because, yeah. I mean, you should reward those who have worked through the system and we should promote from that. 00:31:13,300 S1: And if they're staying in town. 00:31:15,170 S4: If they're staying in town and a lot of fire, a lot of call firefighters, particularly they either live in Hamilton or very, very close by. That's why they become firefighters. So you're talking taking care of local residents? Yeah. Um, and it's not like they didn't earn it by by doing work for the town. 00:31:28,830 S6: Sure. 00:31:29,270 S2: So as I recall from last time, it's not a very generous formula either. Like. 00:31:37,370 S6: No, it's very convoluted. 00:31:38,730 S1: As Joe. 00:31:39,130 S6: Said, it's. 00:31:39,870 S1: It's tough. 00:31:40,430 S6: To get. 00:31:40,770 S2: It's not like you do five years part time and get credit for five full years. It's like if you did 20 years, you would get like five years full time service. 00:31:50,630 S6: Yeah. Yeah. Right. 00:31:52,470 S2: So you wouldn't incentivize to like do five years of part time service and then go full time to get a pension because the formula doesn't work that way. 00:32:00,470 S6: Right. 00:32:00,730 S1: Right. You couldn't do five years part time and then five years full time and get a pension. 00:32:04,730 S6: Right. 00:32:05,170 S3: Right. Yeah. No way. It would have to be a no. 00:32:07,400 S1: And I think that's why they. 00:32:08,330 S6: Made it 2015. 00:32:09,770 S3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think it's I, I'm not debating it or saying no. Um. 00:32:15,730 S6: Yeah. You don't. 00:32:16,470 S4: You don't get a full year for a year of part time service. Yeah. There's a. 00:32:19,970 S6: If you were I think. 00:32:20,930 S4: It's something like if you work 15, if you work if you respond to enough call each each response will call. Get you a day. If you can get 15 days in a month, then that gets you a month of service time. Right. So it's and then it goes from there. But then it caps out at five years. So it's that's really difficult, right. Um, that's a really difficult way to prove it to. 00:32:43,870 S3: So yeah. No, but that's probably the way to do it. Look at whether it's hours or calls. 00:32:49,400 S1: Yeah. All right. 00:32:49,870 S3: Next I think. 00:32:50,400 S1: It's. 00:32:51,130 S3: Leave it on. 00:32:51,730 S1: Yeah. Leave it on. Up next is a resolution asking the state legislature to change the seal and flag. We discussed this a meeting or so ago, I think. 00:32:59,270 S4: Yeah. And the chairman of the Human Rights Committee Commission is here in case you had questions for him on it. We have got a draft version of that question from the change of Seal group. I got it just last week, so I haven't been able to share it with time yet, but I'll get it to him. 00:33:15,830 S1: It's it's so if I remember correctly, it the they've put it in the committee twice over the years has gone through committee twice. And the outcome was yes we all agree we should change it, but we haven't done it. Is that kind of the understanding that I have for the most part. 00:33:36,230 S4: The governor, the government? Yeah. The governor established a commission that looked at it for about two years. Then they brought it forward with recommendations that, yeah, the the Seals should be changed. The flag should be changed, but we don't know what to change it to. 00:33:48,600 S1: So nothing's been nothing's been done right. 00:33:51,900 S4: Right. 00:33:53,330 S9: That's a good summary. 00:33:55,400 S1: So should I start designing a new flag for Massachusetts? 00:33:58,100 S9: Yes. They really need that. They need that. 00:33:59,800 S3: Help on our medal. 00:34:01,670 S9: Uh, but yeah, so the commission has that. The legislature appointed has said it needs to be changed. They've given maybe some ideas about how it could be changed. The legislature hasn't done anything itself other than established the commissioner and received the report. 00:34:19,730 S1: Gotcha. Um, so hopefully this will push them into the next step. 00:34:24,800 S9: Yes. And there are, you know, a number of towns, including a bunch around us that have already done this. 00:34:31,730 S3: I think you said about 80 out of the 351 cities or whatever have adopted it now, or is that. 00:34:38,130 S9: Yes. Yep. Yeah, that's about right. 00:34:42,770 S1: All right. Any other questions? Well, Jamie standing up there. 00:34:46,570 S4: Just. 00:34:48,070 S3: I mean, this has been going on a long time. Right. 00:34:49,770 S1: 1980s? Yeah, it's been going on for 30 years. 00:34:52,570 S10: So this is predatory language. I mean, it's not like. 00:34:57,100 S4: It's just asking the state legislature to act. 00:35:00,430 S1: Okay? It's just a resolution. It's it's proclamation. Kind of. 00:35:03,430 S10: Okay. I'm just, you know, in terms of planning. I mean, there's, you know, sometimes things that are, you know. 00:35:09,330 S1: Do you think it's going to be mundane, but it's still this or. 00:35:12,100 S3: This could, uh, go have it lead to a discussion. 00:35:14,630 S10: So I just, you know, I just want to know where I am, where we are. 00:35:19,130 S1: Yes. I think back to the town meeting we had when we were trying to buy, I think, a 1500 or $2000 brass plaque for the Koa, and we debated it for 45 minutes to an hour, and then we voted a $38 million school budget. Five minutes. 00:35:39,270 S4: Yep. 00:35:40,800 S1: All right. So, uh, up next was transfer funds from the Athletic Field Stabilization Fund to be used to offset the debt exclusion An assessment from the regional school district, which is the fund that we started from the sale of the portion of the patent homestead. We have Peyton Ridge now, and it's about six 630,000. There we go. 00:36:03,270 So what is it? S8: Six 630,000? 00:36:05,370 S1: Sorry, we did pretty good. $130,000 in interest or so. 00:36:08,200 S3: Something in there is all of it go or just the 500 initially? 00:36:11,100 S1: That's up to what's the question? 00:36:13,100 S4: So you want to make it 630. You want to do 315 and 315 or so. 00:36:19,430 S8: We discussed this last week at fin com. 00:36:22,800 S1: Yeah. Because we talked about whether it be better to pay it all at once or pay it out over time. 00:36:26,800 S8: So it's, um, it occurred to us that it if this is earning in the MMT fund with the state it's earning, it's been earning 4% to 5.5%. Okay. 00:36:42,800 S3: So we'll have fun. I mean. 00:36:44,830 S8: It's the MMT, it's the Massachusetts Municipal Depository Trust. It's run by the state Treasurer's office, and almost all the municipalities pool their funds and they invest it with a professional investment team anyway. The bond that the school has got for the fields, I think is 3.3. 00:37:08,900 9 S8: 9%. Yeah. So if you're earning north of that, right, the income felt as long as you're earning more than the bond. It behooves us to keep the money in the MDT. Um, otherwise you're collectively you're losing money. So why not let this asset continue to earn at a higher rate than you're spending on the bond? That was that was the conclusion we came to. Certainly we haven't talked to the treasurer because the the rate may have dipped. But you know, for the fiscal year 24, it's going to earn another $35,000 if we leave it into June. So our thought is, don't just cash out because you're going to lose some. 00:37:55,000 S1: Cash, a percentage of it out. 00:37:56,470 S8: I mean, you can you can every year you can look at the rate and then say, okay, it's time to move it. 00:38:03,330 S3: So how would it work, though? Would you say we did follow that logic, which it is logical. 00:38:10,830 Would we just pay our 112? S4: Well, we're going to have to pay. 00:38:11,870 S3: More out of that and say, hey, we're. 00:38:13,400 S4: Going to have to pay. So we would I'd ask that we just for now, we leave it here, we keep it. You can always. 00:38:21,200 S3: How we do. 00:38:21,570 S4: It at the at. 00:38:23,270 S1: We can change. 00:38:24,100 S4: It right up to town meeting floor. You can make a motion to take no action in this article and move on. I think that I want to have John and Wendy, and I have a conversation about how we have this planned in the budget this year, and make sure we're not hurting ourselves on the back side, but. Right. I think that John, in the Finance Committee's analysis is very sound if it's making us. If it's making more money than. Then we'd be paying any interest right now. Then hold on to it for a little while longer. If we've got the money in the budget to make our payment to the district this year, that's fine. Next year, maybe things change and it helps. 00:38:57,030 S1: Us closer to Levy or whatever we. 00:38:59,370 S3: But we should do two things. One is, um, commit to a dollar amount out of that, whether it's until it's exhausted or we committed to 500. That's a discussion. And then two is it's either a transfer or an allocation. I don't know if I'd keep the word transfer in it, but, you know, to be determined how it comes out. 00:39:15,430 S1: And then we're. 00:39:15,830 S3: Committing to the school to. 00:39:16,800 S1: Pay a two thirds vote to get anything out of that fund. 00:39:21,170 S8: Right? 00:39:22,700 S4: Right. 00:39:23,200 S1: So if we, you know, if we decide we're going to take out 500 and leave 130 in it, we gotta really know what we're going to use. 134. 00:39:32,970 S8: So the question is, Joe. 00:39:34,300 S4: So all of the money and the interest insurance can only go towards our our share of the turf field. So. And it really can't go for anything else. Right. So. 00:39:44,300 S8: Um, so so the question is. 00:39:46,170 S3: Future obligations outside of this. Yeah. We can apply it to. 00:39:49,130 S8: So the so the question is you assume this money. 00:39:53,530 S4: I'm not sure I have the I have to confirm that. 00:39:55,930 S8: Because if in fact, you assumed this was going to cover a portion of our current capital spend. 00:40:01,870 S4: Then we. 00:40:02,170 S8: Need to either shrink that down or then go borrow that difference at which. So it's not a slam dunk. It's just this is earning a healthy chunk of change. Just bring that into the conversation. Right. That's all. 00:40:14,770 S4: So if we could just if we could just leave it and plan it. 00:40:16,670 S1: Yeah. 00:40:16,800 S8: Let's leave it I would leave it. 00:40:17,900 S1: We got to figure out. 00:40:18,870 S4: And then we've got a couple of weeks to figure out all that with income. And you. Yep yep. 00:40:23,200 S1: Yep. All right. Uh, and then the next one is amend the town Manager Act to allow the select board to negotiate a contract of up to five years for the town manager. Now, Bill, this was. 00:40:32,500 S3: This was more me, not Joe, in our discussions, you know, as the board had charged Bill. Yeah. No, I'll make sure I say that, you know, when I look at something, I like to come at it at all angles, right? And, um, we were just we met with Bill Olsen and Joe and I, and we went through everything, and, and I was just talking about the length, and I was talking about all the things that'll be on your plate over the number of years, whether it's town hall, whether it's Gordon, uh, whether it's to school athletic fields, whether it's a new school where, you know, we want to make sure we have continuity going through stuff and the relationships and things we've built with the schools. We have people that attrition, select boards move, fin com members move. Should we look at more consistency via that seat? I had no idea it would be something that would trigger, you know this and go to town meeting. I don't think it's critical we do it. But it was part of a discussion that we had and Joby and Diligent just went through and found out, okay, if you wanted to do that, here's what it takes. So that's where it came from. I don't think it's critical to do it, you know? But if I had thought if it was, we should talk about it for the continuity that I just spoke about, that's all. I'm not sure I meant for it to go to town floor. 00:41:38,700 S8: Yeah. 00:41:40,670 S3: Right. 00:41:41,470 S7: Right. Yeah. In this case, because the town manager act as a special act, it would require a town meeting vote to authorize the Select board to pursue special legislation, in this case, to amend the special act to authorize a contract. The select board to appoint the town manager for up to five years as opposed to three years. It's I think it's likely to get through. It's not really controversial, but it is a time consuming process sometimes to go through the legislature. 00:42:13,300 S1: Let's say let's say we town meeting approves it. Select board, pass the legislature. The change of special act. 00:42:22,930 What's the timeline typically? S7: It's really hard to say. It really depends on what the agenda is up at the at the legislature. I mean, something like that you would think would go through pretty quickly. I would hope it would be on the books by the end of the year, but it's really hard to tell. 00:42:37,130 S8: And you'd be asked, what about what are other towns doing? 00:42:40,930 S3: Yeah, that's something we did. 00:42:43,070 S8: Force Hamilton to be an outlier. And you know. So. 00:42:45,800 S3: Right. And we would say the projects in the length of time. But and it's up to. Right. So then it gives the board the flexibility to do one year through five years. But honestly I don't. Had I known this I probably wouldn't have made it a big of a discussion that it was. But I wish Bill was here. He was at the table as well. But Bill Olson, I don't know if anyone else. Caroline if if you had a thought on it. Um. 00:43:12,570 S2: But I just wonder, given the timeline, that we're going to be on for the contract negotiation, will it not matter in the end? 00:43:22,570 S3: Depends. Um, the contract is due in September. Right. I mean, we are early. Um, so. 00:43:28,130 S2: But but if it won't make it through the legislature, right? 00:43:31,800 S1: By the end of the year. Yeah. By I mean, you could do you could do a three year contract. And then when the legislature comes through, you could add a year or two to it. 00:43:43,600 Is that okay? S7: Yeah. I think you could probably do that. You could have some language in the contract that had a three year appointment, for example. And then provided that the legislature approves it, you could automatically add another two years to it. That certainly would be an option. 00:44:01,370 S3: Yeah. So I don't think it's critical. Um, I think you know how as structured there are, there's all sorts of provisions in there that allow us to stop if we had to and keep going if we want to, and address it earlier than later. You know, I mean, we could re-up a contract in two years. Right. And for another three and get out. 00:44:18,430 S7: Right. That's another option. Exactly. Is that after year one, for example, you could assign another three year contract. After you two, you could sign another three year contract and get to three that ultimately get to five years. But the appointment is never for more than a three year period. Arguably, you could also sign a three year contract that perhaps has two built in automatic one year extensions so that it's again, it's a three year term, but ultimately the contract is automatically extended for an additional, you know, two one year terms perhaps, or something like that. And you know, that I think is probably subject to challenge. But you could there's a technical argument to be made there that you're not exceeding a three year appointment. 00:45:00,530 S1: Yeah. 00:45:02,430 S3: So again, I don't think it's critical. That was the whole basis on the discussion was continuity on all the big things that are going on. And there's there is a path that it could be all brand new people sitting at a table around a select board or a fin com or whoever. 00:45:18,270 S1: And so I guess my question to you, Bill, since you're kind of on the boots on the ground here, do you think it's you leave it on. And then if we decide, we can open the warrant and take it off. 00:45:34,770 Or do you think that there's a different workaround? S3: I honestly, I don't know. My first reaction was take it off. But, you know, I think there's a lot of other things we can do in it that, you know, we're in a good place with Joe and everything. So I think, uh, I don't see any I don't see the need. But if that's something I get that when speaking, I wish Bill was here for Joe to like is did I bust a bubble there? I don't know, but. 00:46:00,770 S1: Well, why don't we. Why don't we? My suggestion maybe. Why don't we leave it on and then we. Can you talk to Bill again and convene with Joe again, maybe, and have a little more powwow with it? And from what Tom has said, there's some other options. And then I'd be. 00:46:16,700 S3: Curious to learn about the auto renewal for a year or year. To me, that does lead to more than three. But maybe if. 00:46:23,700 S1: You said in the beginning of that you do a 1 or 2 year contract and then, yeah, it's, you know, there's another three year contract on top of that kind of thing. But um, so I would say let's if people are right with it, let's leave it on and then you guys can talk some more and we can always open it and amend it or remove it. Just because we do have we're getting close, but we got a little bit of time that we could do that in. 00:46:49,430 What do you think? S3: That's fine with me. 00:46:51,070 S1: Uh, and then up next, we're removing the zoning article that we had for the Browns Hill overlay district. Uh, and is there anything else that I'm forgetting that's not on the list. 00:47:02,970 S11: For the citizens? 00:47:04,600 S8: Oh, yeah. Petitions. 00:47:05,630 S1: Oh, citizens petitions. Yes, we have are on. There they are on. 00:47:08,870 S10: There they. 00:47:09,500 S1: Are. They're just not on our list here tonight. But we have three citizens petitions. Uh, I'm going to forget the order that there is. One is a moratorium for three years on the project. One is a revision of previous warrant article to add no turf artificial turf and the third one is escaping me for some. 00:47:37,870 S7: The third one is a resolution, essentially to request that the representative to Hamilton, representatives to the Regional School Committee inform the Regional School Committee of the town's position with respect to artificial turf fields. 00:47:54,870 S8: So they were certified. I assume the signatures. 00:47:58,870 S1: Verified all the signatures and. 00:48:00,530 S4: They're all going to be the one. Okay. 00:48:05,870 S1: So those are on even if we wanted to take them off. 00:48:08,500 S3: So so is there any plan for will the petitioners come in and kind of do any type of presentation for us, or is it there at Town Hall? 00:48:18,930 S8: We've we've invited them to the fine. Come on Wednesday night. 00:48:21,700 S3: Okay. 00:48:22,600 S8: So just because we want to hear from it and you know, our the Finn composition a year ago was, uh, Break the Fields project up into pieces or consider it to be smaller. And we also said that we didn't feel as though that, uh, the financials and the health and safety risks were properly vetted. So we basically, you know, didn't support it a year ago for those reasons. Right. So we want to, you know, hear some more vetting from someone who's put his hand up. And Mr. Shields actually sent two letters to us last June and last September. Yeah. And wrote the, um, you know, wrote a, you know, basically updated all of us on both towns on the subject. So anyway, so we just wanted to, you know, get on the record and in advance of the town meeting so people could sort of hear what. What the latest is. That's all. 00:49:26,370 S3: Do you know how many signatures were on it or ten? Ten. These are all blank. 00:49:31,900 These signatures? S1: Yeah, they're all blank. 00:49:32,670 S4: They were the template forms, but the the clerk got the actual documents with. 00:49:36,630 S3: The signatures. 00:49:37,630 S4: And certified. The signatures certified. 00:49:41,670 S1: So we haven't asked them to come in, and we'll kind of discuss the merits and legalities of everything. We had a bit of a conversation today with, with Tom and and Joe and etc. about the legal ease of it, of what they're asking us so we can break that down next time, a little bit more in depth, because I believe they are a little problematic. 00:50:03,230 S1: Um, so seeing that we've kind of gone through everything now, um, if someone Bill wants to make a motion to close the warrant. 00:50:17,100 S3: I move that we close the. Close the warrant. 00:50:21,630 S2: Second. 00:50:22,730 S1: All right. 00:50:24,070 S4: That means, as discussed with all. 00:50:25,630 S1: The things we just had to. 00:50:26,830 S3: Discuss. Discussed. Sorry. 00:50:28,770 S1: Thank you. Uh. 00:50:30,670 S3: Do we need to talk about anything? Move to consent, or is that all just legit? 00:50:33,570 S1: No, that'll be next time. Next time. Once we've got to kind of the the whole thing. 00:50:37,000 S4: You can either you can either do that next time or even on the 18th. The consent motion thing doesn't even wind. 00:50:41,300 S7: Up once your next meeting. 00:50:42,930 S4: There's a meeting next Monday on the fourth, and then there's another meeting on the 18th. Okay. I think that next meeting will probably have the select board go over the, um, the draft warrant so that we can turn that back to you so that we can start the script. And we the script discussion would probably be on the 18th, and that's when we start to talk about what might get moved into consent, etc.. 00:51:03,930 S8: So when would you vote? 00:51:05,870 S1: Recommendations. 00:51:08,930 S8: At which meeting? 00:51:10,370 S3: Do we have a calendar? 00:51:11,870 S4: I prefer that it's on. It's on the the warrant. It's on the town meeting calendar as happening next week. Um, and it would be better for us. We don't have to make a printer now. So if it had to go to the 18th, we could. But that's really cutting it close because we still need to post it two weeks in advance of the first. So I want to make sure that we have enough time to have it all properly written up, so that it can be scanned into a QR code and send out all those things to it. 00:51:41,170 S8: Planning to vote what they a fourth. 00:51:45,000 S4: Fourth a week from today. 00:51:46,270 S8: So that would be okay. 00:51:48,170 S1: So next week we doubled up on meetings because we we skipped last week. 00:51:51,470 S4: Because the school vacation. 00:51:52,430 S3: Didn't stay too. 00:51:53,230 S1: So the President's day. 00:51:54,470 S3: We're going to vote on the articles next week without going having okay I just assumed we'd have different walkthroughs each one. But I'm not saying we had to. I just that's quick. 00:52:06,100 S1: It is quick. We'll walk through them all though. It would be fine. There's actually there's not a ton on there that I think is going to take much discussion. No, You know, I think there'll be some about CPC. The rest of it's kind of boilerplate. And many of the things like the, the MJHL with the fire department, except for police, that's, you know, we'll have some more numbers and stuff on that, hopefully. 00:52:27,100 S8: So you'd you'd have a draft warrant in relatively final form on the fourth. 00:52:34,070 S4: You're going to have a draft, Warren pretty much by Wednesday morning. Tom's kind of rough draft of it. Now after the votes tonight we have to make some adjustments and then we have to fill out some numbers, but it'll be a pretty good. 00:52:44,630 S8: So when would you be able to have one? 00:52:47,170 S7: So I have as Joe indicated, I have a draft in pretty good shape. There was one article that I need to add, one article I need to take off. Um, there are some blanks that will need to be filled in, of course, with respect to various numbers and things like that, but at least the outline of the Warren should be done. Um, tomorrow tied up. Wednesday, I'd say by Thursday I would have a draft of Joe, probably Thursday at some point at the latest. 00:53:11,000 S8: On Wednesday. I going to vote Wednesday night. But you. 00:53:13,870 S7: Want to. 00:53:14,100 S4: Vote. This one's in it. Oh, wow. 00:53:16,100 S3: That'd be great if we knew your positions. 00:53:19,070 S8: Well, we were going to try to do it in advance of your vote, if we could do it. 00:53:22,570 S3: Yeah. 00:53:23,100 S1: If you could do it Wednesday to give us. 00:53:24,630 S8: Could you could you just send whatever the whatever the current form is? Yes. 00:53:31,030 S7: I can send it. I should be able to get it. Like I said, it's in pretty good shape at this point. I don't have the actual numbers for a lot of things, but at least kind of the shell is in good shape. Um, with a couple of changes. 00:53:41,930 S1: Your meeting is Wednesday night. 00:53:43,030 S8: Yeah. So we were we had scheduled the vote on the 28th. 00:53:50,270 S8: And there's nothing really controversial. So if you could give us a rough shell, whatever shape it's into, um, we can probably do the vote. Unless there's individual items we want to wait on. 00:54:05,430 S8: So anyway, we're just trying to. 00:54:06,870 S7: Yeah. That's fine. I can try to get Joe something by the end of the day tomorrow. 00:54:10,800 S8: Yeah. Okay, thanks. That's. That's our plan. 00:54:15,430 S1: All right. Um, where were we? We made. 00:54:22,400 Did we make a motion? Do we vote on it yet? S4: We haven't voted on yet. Moved by bill. Seconded by Caroline. 00:54:25,270 S1: Okay. Uh, all those in favor of closing the Warren, say a bill? 00:54:28,970 S3: Bill Wilson, I. 00:54:30,230 S1: Sean Farrell, I. 00:54:32,030 S2: Caroline boyle. 00:54:32,670 S3: You I. 00:54:33,330 S1: Thank you. All right. Up next. Uh, we have review the requirement for annual preamble of town border with our town moderator, Bill bowler, who says we're out of compliance. 00:54:46,630 S3: Yeah. 00:54:47,800 S1: Shame on us. 00:54:48,430 S7: Do you need me for anything else? 00:54:49,570 S1: I don't think so, Tom. Okay. No. 00:54:52,170 S4: We're good. 00:54:52,870 S7: Excellent. All right. Well. Thank you. Have a nice. 00:54:54,270 S4: Night. 00:54:54,430 S1: Tom. Tom, before you go. 00:54:55,870 S4: Yes? 00:54:56,470 S1: Do you want to ask a question about the signatures? 00:55:02,030 S12: On the presidential primary warrant. Um, they were asking the electronic signatures of. 00:55:10,900 S7: Ideally, if you can have wet signatures would be better. But generally speaking, under the Massachusetts General Laws that govern electronic signatures, it would probably be sufficient. But okay, anytime. 00:55:23,970 S4: We're dealing with it. 00:55:25,000 S7: For election issues, I always prefer to err on the side of caution just to be on the safe side. But generally speaking, an electronic signature is the equivalent of a wet signature under the applicable statute. 00:55:37,230 S1: Okay. Okay. 00:55:38,270 S3: Thank you. There's no moves to change that for even, like candidate signatures. Or you have to have a signature if someone can't DocuSign or get it some other ways that creates challenge that I think. But there's no one trying to get with the current times on electronic signatures. 00:55:55,870 S7: I don't know what the specific thing, I got to be honest with you, but election laws tend to be fairly rigid. So, um, always best to err on the side of caution. 00:56:07,130 S3: I would agree. 00:56:07,830 S1: All right. Thank you. Tom. You're free to get out of here. 00:56:11,430 S4: Do you want me to? You want me to highlight the Mr. 00:56:15,670 Bowler's first sentence there? S1: Yes, Mr. Bowler. 00:56:18,730 S10: Um, so I like history, and, uh, I get this, uh, there's an organization called the New England Historical Society, and I get these emails from them, and they had a, uh, I found an interesting article, uh, a couple of weeks, 2 or 3 weeks ago that I forwarded to, uh, Joe and, uh, Sean. And I want to be clear, this was very much tongue in cheek, but, um, but but, you know, the selectmen, I had to say, are out of compliance with this statute. But if you read the article, the little, Little bit of history that goes back to England and it's called perambulator the bounds or beating the bounds and in, in England. And it's still done some way, or at least is sort of a just to, to say we do it. They the, the vicar goes around with a willow, uh, read what the symbolism of it is anyway, but goes around actually the, the parish and not the town, but in England it was the parish and there are stone bounds and he taps the taps, the bound, you know, the bound with it. And I guess the idea is it's well, now we know where the bounds are. Um, there's some other stuff in there. You know, the people are a little crazy. They take a little kid and bang his head on like, okay, what's up? But anyway, this was brought over to New England and colonial times and was the requirement of the selectmen was supposed to emulate the bounds. And I think originally it was to literally walk around the bounds of the town. Um, and the way it was explained to me, I did it once when I was a selectman, um, that the senior town in the older town invites the junior town. So we were invited once by Ipswich, and, um, went out on a Saturday morning and spent the morning finding these stone markers. And there are, I guess, on the Ipswich line on the Ipswich boundary, it's about 7 or 8. There's one in front of Tim Clark's house. There's one off in a field. We never found it because it was September and the grass was three feet high, and we went around and there's about 3 or 4 and Appleton Farm, basically, it's the the line between the farm and the grass rides. Um, so we we did it and, um, it was explained that, well, we have, we have about five towns, so it was supposed to be one, one a year, but I only did it the once. We were only invited once by the senior town. The only town that we're senior to is Essex. Um, and there was, I think at one time it was like a $5 fine for not doing it, but, um, it's still on the books, and I think chapter 42 of the General Law. 00:00:00,230 S1: After I read the article, I said, well, you know, what's the real story? So it is there. And it does say that the, the selectmen, um, every, every five years are supposed to preamble or emulate the bounds upon the bounds, and they're supposed to be marked with the with paint, with the date of the, of the, uh, the year that you did it. So and, you know, inflation, it's a $20 fine. Okay. So and but they did make it this the statute they added, they said the, the sales to be two selectmen, at least two selectmen and they um, but says they can designate someone to do it. So, uh, I'm, I'm rather I bet the farm that none of our current selectmen have perambulator and. 00:00:57,030 S2: I have not being the elder statesman here, I have never pre-empted our boundary. 00:01:02,130 S1: When I one of the other selectmen. When I did it. Some of you may recall Jim Bryant was a good guy, but this is a retired CFO of IBM, and I guess he really didn't see the piquancy, if you will, of this. You know, he said this is what he had people for, you know, so, so after about an hour and a half of schlepping through, I mean, we did have to climb over fences. You know, I, I took a course of doxycycline because I got a, you know, a tick bite, you know, but so it's just, you know, you know, you know, you have a lot of duties as selectmen, but, you know, this is this is one that goes back to colonial times. So that's that's. 00:01:53,330 S2: All I, I had no idea. 00:01:54,500 S1: So get on a gentlemen and ladies. 00:01:57,300 S2: So do we know where every marker. 00:02:00,170 S1: Oh. That's so. When we did it. Butch Crosby, who has since moved out of town but was a longtime resident. He was the president of the historical society, and he had a notebook, and it had descriptions of where otherwise, I mean, we would have had no idea, but descriptions of where all these were, including I think he'd added GPS coordinates. So probably if you checked with the historical society, I imagine, I don't, you know, they may they may have it, but, um. 00:02:38,870 S2: They're food for thought. 00:02:40,500 S1: There you have it. 00:02:41,370 S3: There. Yeah. Food for thought. 00:02:43,630 S1: Thanks. 00:02:46,170 S3: There you have it. Well, yeah. 00:02:55,270 S4: I get it. You all sound like you're at the bottom of a well. 00:02:59,070 S2: Who is that? How is it now, Caroline? 00:03:01,100 S5: Is it better? It was a technical interruption. 00:03:04,730 S6: Excuse our technical difficulties, but I think we're back now. 00:03:11,130 S4: Cam is no longer on the call and it's just y'all. So if you're muted, we can't hear you. 00:03:18,730 S7: Can we. 00:03:19,870 S2: I don't have the zoom. 00:03:24,000 S2: I can't hear anyone either. 00:03:30,430 Caroline did you catch that? S6: For those listening at home. 00:03:32,330 S3: For those. 00:03:32,830 S6: Listening at home, we have a. 00:03:34,530 S3: Technical difference. 00:03:37,730 S3: We are happy. 00:03:40,000 S2: To go in there. I think he's looking at it okay. He's going to get coming back out. 00:03:45,330 S5: Okay. 00:03:46,530 S2: All right, folks at home, are we back on? 00:03:51,730 S4: I think through Joe's computer. 00:03:55,500 S6: Can you hear us now? Because I've turned my computer off. 00:03:58,430 S4: We can hear you. Yep. 00:03:59,500 S2: Okay. We're back. Thanks for sticking with us. Thank you. 00:04:02,730 S4: But he still isn't on the call. I don't know if that matters. 00:04:07,130 S6: No. They've got the camera on now. Yeah. It looks like they got us back. If you can hear us, then you got us back. 00:04:13,870 S2: Do we have an action on that or is. Um. So I guess it's really discussion amongst the 2 or 3 of us here. If you. I mean, we can pay the 20 bucks, or we could go on a little bit. 00:04:25,070 S6: Who do we pay the $20 to? And who's the one that issues the fight? 00:04:28,170 S2: So go to the state. I guess I'd like to see the fine in writing. 00:04:32,600 S6: Yeah, well, I'll pay it as soon as I get an invoice from the state. 00:04:35,300 S5: Well. 00:04:36,000 S4: Happy to regulate the bout. 00:04:38,100 S1: Is chapter 42. If the general law is okay. Lays it all out so. 00:04:45,070 S2: Well, I would say. I mean, we I don't. We could make a decision tonight or we could, we could table it and continue the discussion. If we find out a little bit more about it, maybe we could find the I think it would be kind of fun. I'd get a kick out of it. I'll even go if I'm not a selectman. Yeah, I would go, but, uh, maybe let's, uh, can we reach out to the historical society and see. And maybe, Corinne, maybe you have something in your files with that. Maybe, I don't know. So let's do a little research on that. 00:05:17,370 It's not a risk of losing land or something, is it like to find out where the boundaries are wrong? S6: Well, I'm sure. 00:05:18,570 S1: It was a big. It was a big deal. 00:05:20,200 S2: That was it. It was our borders back in the day. 00:05:22,130 S6: Yeah, I'm sure back in the older times, there was the risk of people moving those rocks to try to calm a little bit and gain a little extra land for their town, so. 00:05:31,130 S2: Sure. Let's do it. I mean, so let's let's do a little research and see what it's what it's all about. All right. 00:05:39,770 S8: Great. I'm glad you're going to do it. Sounds like fun. 00:05:43,100 S2: Yeah. We get the cons coming to you. Yeah. Virginia, you're welcome to come along and. 00:05:49,000 S8: Tell me the date. I'll try to. I'll try to come to you. 00:05:52,800 S2: Yes. Uh, yeah. Virginia is always a good sport. Um, school leases for Cutler and Winthrop, uh, discuss town's options and preferences for timeline for making commitment to the MSBA. We don't have to have a huge discussion tonight. I just put it on the agenda because I wanted to kind of keep it in our mind that we're going to be coming to a head sometime soon about the Cutler property and, and the maybe Joe can speak a little bit to this, even though he's missed the meeting tonight about the school building committee. But you know they're they're doing their due diligence. And I think they're going to have some more recommendations for us sometime soon. But I, I just want to keep it on our, our radar. 00:06:27,770 S6: So I'll just add really briefly and in general terms, the there were 25 or 26 options. All of the members of the school building committee were asked to review each option and provide a point or a certain number of points to different aspects of the project that were deemed important by MSBA. The. There are 4 or 5 projects that graded out well, 4 or 5 options that graded out well, and none of the others graded above like a 70%, the other 4 or 5 graded up above the 80s. Um, my understanding is the school superintendent and the School Building committee, and working with the design team on a survey that they'll be going to try to issue to the community, to the people. I'm sorry, both communities through QR code or something, a link and trying to get some more feedback from residents about which of these five options, 4 or 5 options people are most in favor of, and then that will give us some, uh, some more information to bring to the board here for you to make. The Hamilton is in a unique position, since all of the remaining options are in Hamilton, and the town owns leases on both sites that are under consideration. Uh, that the board will need to make some kind of a vote prior. Well, probably before the middle of September. Um, middle of April. Excuse me? Because that they have to submit a preferred choice to MSBA by May. Right. John may. So. So you're going to you're going about 4 or 5 weeks before you're going to have to be asked to make a vote. 00:08:11,370 S2: And I'd like to say that I think that we should really aim for a decision before town meeting. 00:08:18,470 S6: I agree. 00:08:19,230 S2: Right. The reason for that is because we're asking for 125,000 to redesign a site that's there right now. Right. So we need to make that decision and then either take no action on the item. If we decide we're going to stay with Winthrop and do Cutler redesign. 00:08:37,030 S6: So as of right now, you have meetings on the fourth, 18, 4th of March, 18th of March and 1st of April. They're all before the April 6th town meeting. So I there's not really any other than the request for money to do a plan for the downtown and try to meet the three a zoning. Right. There's no there's nothing that really, um, has to be brought to town meeting. But I agree that it's probably something that you want to be able to answer at town meeting. And so you've got three opportunities to have this on the agenda and make a vote. I don't think you'll have have enough information in time for the meeting on the fourth, but 18th or the first would probably be the meeting that you want to have a good discussion of this right now. 00:09:22,900 S9: Doesn't this go hand to hand with our next item on the regional district agreement? 00:09:29,200 S2: Yeah. Bit. 00:09:31,600 S9: So that's a lot to digest in that in the at that time period. But if if it does I think it's related. 00:09:37,870 S2: But I don't think it's anything. 00:09:39,270 S5: Not a dependent meeting. 00:09:40,500 S9: You know it's a carrot is what it is. 00:09:42,470 S6: We lost the zoom. 00:09:43,030 S9: Again very much. Uh I mean before you sign a long term lease, you want to make sure you have a structure in place that you can agree to. Right? And that's the foundation of the structure, right? I think it's almost critical. 00:09:56,200 S6: I think we should pause and get the meeting because Caroline is as your quorum. And without zoom, it. 00:10:01,700 S5: Takes a. 00:10:03,500 S2: Several minute recess here while we try to reload. 00:10:06,100 S4: Load. I'm here. 00:10:07,770 S5: Oh, you hear that? 00:10:08,470 S6: You can hear us. 00:10:09,900 S4: Yeah. Joe's gone now. But Hamilton, when I'm calm, is here, okay? 00:10:14,070 S6: So the problem is. 00:10:15,100 S5: With my computer. 00:10:16,470 S2: So we can. We can continue then, so Caroline can hear us. Everybody else on the zoom. 00:10:21,100 S9: So the only point is then we should probably bucket them, kind of move the other and the next one as well. Yeah. Take some action. 00:10:27,570 S5: Okay. Yeah. 00:10:28,770 S2: So I think we can move on from the I just want to kind of have that as a placeholder for the school leases and stuff. So we can discuss that. And the regional school agreement I sent some stuff today. I don't know if you've had a chance to look at it, but prior iterations of when we had talked about opening the agreement, I still have some more from some brainstorming we did, I think back in 2017 or 18, um, with some other items. But I think the stuff that I sent today was mainly when we were opening the apportionment section of it or looking at that, and there was a subcommittee. So that's the information that I sent today. There's also Us another and I know I have it somewhere. I just have to find it on my hard drive. Um, where we had kind of brainstormed about all the different things that we thought we would want to have included in the regional agreement or change in the regional agreement. Some are on that apportionment, um, draft that I had sent out earlier today. Um, but I'll continue to look for that. But in the meantime, we should start thinking about, since we've all agreed to open the regional agreement. What we're looking to get out of the renegotiation of it. You know, it's not going to be a finish it tomorrow process. I think it's going to be probably about a year long process. 00:11:47,000 S9: Um, right. 00:11:47,970 S2: We just we want to go into it with some, some key points that we want to negotiate. And I, I if I'm remembering correctly, it came down to some representation with the towns, some of the election stuff that we've cleaned up a bit over the years. Uh, apportionment. Uh, and one of the big ones and one of the big ones for me is that you were just talking about majority of the properties in Hamilton. 00:12:11,870 S5: Yeah. 00:12:12,270 S2: So we're carrying a quite a burden of not having taxable land with Dover. So some compensation for that I think would be would be worth it in the negotiations. 00:12:25,230 S9: Yeah I think it's. Yeah. And I think one of them needs to be involved in this as well. Or maybe an asset to the town. 00:12:31,200 S2: And I would suggest maybe back, back when we were working on this draft, we had a handful of kind of subcommittee meetings and stuff like that, where we had some representatives from each group that worked independently, so we didn't have to have a bunch of big meetings. That'd be good. And then we would have a large meeting. I think we're discussing the draft, but, you know, at some point in your future here, I would suggest that we get together with the chairs and make some subcommittees, or at least get it on their agenda so that you can start working on it. 00:13:00,800 S9: And as long as there's willingness demonstrated and on items that are agreed upon to review, you know, then I think the least discussion, it's moot. 00:13:09,100 S5: Right. 00:13:15,470 S9: Okay, so. So should we. Are we asking Joe to reach out to. 00:13:21,600 S6: Somebody to reach out to? Um. 00:13:23,970 S9: We can gather. If you have any more notes on. 00:13:26,470 S2: Yeah, I'll find you. I'll find out. I know I have it somewhere. 00:13:28,800 S9: We've got. I've got the agreement. I don't know if everyone does, but read through it and kind of just say, hey, what might make sense? 00:13:34,100 S2: Yeah, maybe. Maybe, Joe, if you could, you or Lori could put together kind of a packet that has the current regional agreement in it that some of the stuff that I sent today and anything else that's kind of relevant. So we have it all in kind of one, maybe even a zip file or Google Drive kind of a thing or something like that. So we can have a place to land all those documents, because sometimes they do tend to get lost in your email if it's the one space. 00:14:00,330 S5: Okay. 00:14:03,670 S2: Uh, and then I can't remember what. Dana's email. Did we talk anything about next steps or that we had just all agreed? 00:14:12,230 S6: So I, I know that we have turned it. So because KP law represents both the town of Hamilton and town of one, and we have to sign off on the disclosure that neither town believes that having them represent us both in the going on the district agreement will negatively impact us. Um, we have signed ours and returned it to KP law. Wednesday's effort in getting their disclosure back from Wenham right now. According to Tom, it's likely that Lauren, um, will Lauren Goldberg will take the lead in those in those discussions on behalf of both towns. So, um, they she reached out to the town administrator and went in today to try to get that disclosure back. So. 00:14:53,170 S5: Okay. 00:14:53,470 S2: And then do we do we have does school council or KP have a copy of the document that they were working on with the revisions for the. 00:15:06,430 S6: I don't know that there were that it got to document stages. I think that there were discussions between the two attorneys and but I will I will confirm that with Lauren and whatever documents she has, I will make sure I get into the group of packets that we're creating. 00:15:18,430 S9: And if there's any work. 00:15:19,200 S2: Product like the sea red line version of salt in there to. 00:15:22,870 S9: That's a good. 00:15:23,270 S2: Idea. Talk about the updates on NGL and stuff like that, because there's a lot of discrepancies in it that we need to fix. Yeah. And it's it's been amended, amended upon amended. 00:15:30,970 S5: So yeah. 00:15:32,000 S2: You know, having one clean document would be would be. 00:15:34,770 S5: Great. 00:15:35,300 S6: I don't have internet service. That's why I can't get back in the zoom meeting. But it sounds like everybody else. 00:15:43,500 Can you still hear us, Caroline? S4: Yes. 00:15:44,070 S5: Okay, perfect. All right, all right. 00:15:46,200 S2: Um. New business. 00:15:50,470 S5: Um. 00:15:52,100 S10: I think, you know, especially between now and, uh. 00:15:55,100 S9: And town meeting, I am anxious to get together and have that deep dive on the MBTA three way information. Um, talk a little bit more about. I've heard discrepancies. I don't know, maybe it's just me. Like, does it all have to be within a half? Can it be broken up? You know? Um, I don't know. I just want to learn more about it. I've done some homework. Uh, but I know we talked about having a pretty much a dedicated meeting or a good amount of time to do. 00:16:24,230 S2: Maybe. Maybe we can set something up with Patrick. 00:16:27,500 S6: Or Patrick is, uh, recovering from surgery. Yeah. So, um. 00:16:31,730 S2: Yeah. We don't have to do it tomorrow, but I know he's he's. 00:16:33,570 S9: He did alright on Friday. 00:16:34,570 S6: I believe so. Yeah. Good. Um, we could, uh. Do you want to invite, uh, at least the chair of the planning board to that meeting? I thought having potentially have a joint meeting. Yeah. Discuss it. Yeah, I think it'd be a good time for all of all of us to talk about, you know, kind of strategy with regard to that. 00:16:52,670 S2: Um, we could have a couple of topics that are. 00:16:55,770 S6: You know, comprehensive plan that we're trying to. 00:16:58,930 S2: Yeah. Because it all ties Edward. 00:17:00,300 S6: It all ties together. 00:17:01,070 S2: We're meshing it all together. 00:17:02,470 S9: Maybe that's a new business. A joint meeting with the planning board. 00:17:05,570 S2: Yeah. Joint meeting with the planning board and the. 00:17:07,700 S6: HTC. 00:17:08,170 S2: Inspections director, HTC. 00:17:12,430 S2: In any other entity? 00:17:17,630 S6: Yep. I think that will draw interest from the surrounding neighborhoods as well. Yeah. 00:17:24,470 S6: Okay. 00:17:26,130 S2: And I would also, you know, before we have that meeting, just touch base with one m2 to see what their they're doing because we are tied together to that rail station. 00:17:37,030 S6: So I know I had a brief conversation with the, uh, town administrator and one of them last week, and I know that they're working to make contact with the landowner of that, those horse paddocks on one A that abut the commuter rail station. Um, there's there's an interest there for when I'm to use that parcel. 00:17:58,230 S2: So yeah, my guess is they're just kind of waiting for things to fall in place to make some money. 00:18:07,000 S6: Um. 00:18:09,170 S2: Maybe. 00:18:09,800 S9: Is there a way to kind of see what other communities with a station are doing or who's doing. 00:18:22,430 Is there any kind of things we can learn from surrounding areas? S6: Well, I mean, part of the problem is the three way zoning requirements are pretty black and white. Yeah. Certain things that you have to produce in order for it to be a compliant district. And if you don't have a compliant district, you're out of compliance with the law. And they will take grant money that will take away your housing authority money. And we're seeing it. They moved very state, moved very quickly after Milton failed to pass their three a zoning last week. So um, very quickly they've already taken taken back grant monies that have been promised. 00:18:52,470 S2: So I would also add to that list. Joe. Uh, we had asked Tom and he didn't really have an answer. So what happens if we do all this work for three A and it goes to town meeting and the town goes no. 00:19:06,830 S9: Yeah, right. Well, you know, I. 00:19:08,230 S6: Think we're seeing the answer to that now. 00:19:09,700 S2: Right. 00:19:11,030 S6: State. 00:19:11,370 S9: So that's why I'm asking. Like, I got a feeling that's going to happen in a lot of communities and they're going to see well how the state reacts. So I don't know if that's what that's what was the backdrop of my question. Like, what are we seeing? You mentioned Newton I don't or somewhere I'm curious what we're hearing and what's what's rolling up. 00:19:28,300 S6: So Milton Milton is the first town that I know of that brought three a zoning to a town meeting and that failed. Most of the other towns are, as far as I know, all the towns that had already brought zoning forward. It had passed. So there was this question out there. Well, are we satisfying the law by bringing it to town meeting? And clearly the state has said, no, that's not you need to pass it. So, um. 00:19:52,770 S9: They can say that now, but once if a lot of communities don't, it's gone. Things will have to shift. Um, that's. 00:20:00,330 S6: That's definitely part of the strategic discussion. But, um, part of. 00:20:04,470 S9: No, no, I don't even mean it's part of strategy. I just think it's going to evolve. I know the state surprised there's been less resistance than than Then there is. 00:20:12,330 S2: Mr. Bowler in your moderator form. 00:20:20,600 Is there any hubbub about 3:00 in town meeting? S2: There are a lot of people bringing it to Springtown meeting. 00:20:28,670 Do you know? S1: Um, I haven't heard about. I haven't heard or seen anything on the Google Group about that yet. Um, so a, uh, a municipal lawyer of my acquaintance, um, actually gave today a, uh, a seminar on it for the municipal lawyers, and she said that there were hundreds of people signed up for it. So it's obviously it's a big it's a big topic, but it hasn't I haven't I I'll let you know if I see anything specific on, uh, the Google Group. 00:21:13,500 S2: All right. 00:21:13,830 S3: Thank you. Thank you. 00:21:19,770 S2: Um, that's all I got. 00:21:22,200 S9: That's all I got. That's a. 00:21:23,870 S2: Lot. Yeah. Uh, you want to make a motion? 00:21:27,170 S9: I move that, we adjourn. 00:21:29,500 S4: I second. 00:21:31,030 S2: Uh, I want to thank Caroline for joining us. 00:21:33,470 S9: Thank you. Caroline, I hope. 00:21:34,230 S2: You feel better. And, uh, everyone else, Virginia, Robin, Michelle and Jay and everybody else that watches later on. Much appreciated. Uh, let's vote to adjourn. Bill. 00:21:45,100 S9: Uh, bill. Yes, I. 00:21:47,830 S2: You're okay with. 00:21:48,370 S9: It? I'm okay with. 00:21:49,230 S2: It. Caroline. 00:21:51,030 S4: Caroline. For you? Yes. 00:21:52,400 S2: All right. And Sean Farrell. Yes. It's unanimous. We are adjourned. Thank you everyone. 00:21:57,570 S6: Caroline, before I turn off the zoom real quick, just, um, I've got a document here that needs at least one more signature to be.